Re: Vegan question

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either supplements or pumpkin is full of vitamin A and beta- carotene.

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From: webriter <webriter@...> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:07:54 PMSubject: Vegan question

How does a vegan get Beta Carotene to be absorbed without eating saturated fats?

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And eating a lot of Beta Carotene is no guarantee of it's absorption, one must eat some saturated animal fats for it to be absorbed properly. I saw a discovery channel show on how vegetarian animals must eat constantly to get enough nutrition to survive, Does this go for people too?

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-- Vegan question

How does a vegan get Beta Carotene to be absorbed without eating saturated fats?

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

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Don't know about that... but I pulled this from my files.. hope it helps you some...

The best sources of beta-carotene are yellow/orange vegetables and fruits and dark green leafy vegetables:

Yellow/orange vegetables – carrots, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, winter squash Yellow/orange fruits – apricots, cantaloupes, papayas, mangoes, carambolas, nectarines, peaches Dark green leafy vegetables – spinach, broccoli, endive, kale, chicory, escarole, watercress and beet leaves, turnips, mustard, dandelion Other good vegetable and fruit sources – summer squash, asparagus, peas, sour cherries, prune plums.

The beta-carotene content of fruits and vegetables can vary according to the season and degree of ripening.

Absorption and body stores

Bile salts and fat are needed for the absorption of beta-carotene in the upper small intestine. Many dietary factors, e.g. fat and protein, affect absorption. Approximately 10-50% of the total beta-carotene consumed is absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. The proportion of carotenoids absorbed decreases as dietary intake increases. Within the intestinal wall (mucosa), beta-carotene is partially converted into vitamin A (retinol) by the enzyme dioxygenase. This mechanism is regulated by the individual's vitamin A status. If the body has enough vitamin A, the conversion of beta-carotene decreases. Therefore, beta-carotene is a very safe source of vitamin A and high intakes will not lead to hypervitaminosis A.

Excess beta-carotene is stored in the fat tissues of the body and the liver. The adult's fat stores are often yellow from accumulated carotene while the infant's fat stores are white.

Bioavailability of beta-carotene

Bioavailability refers to the proportion of beta-carotene that can be absorbed, transported and utilised by the body once it has been consumed. It is influenced by a number of factors:

Beta-carotene from dietary supplements is better absorbed than beta-carotene from foods Food processing such as chopping, mechanical homogenisation and cooking enhances bioavailability of beta-carotene The presence of fat in the intestine affects absorption of beta-carotene. The amount of dietary fat required to ensure carotenoid absorption seems to be low (approximately 3-5g per meal)

Suzi

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Recently I remembered that Miners back in the early 1800's were seen stumbling into Indian camps [they had been subsisting on rabbits, that have little to no fat] and they'd steal a piece of deer fat off of hanging meat and eat it to keep them from starving from the lack of fat. I started thinking about this and the fact that Beta Carotene needs some fat to be absorbed and I was wondering how vegans can get the BC absorbed.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

Don't know about that... but I pulled this from my files.. hope it helps you some...

The best sources of beta-carotene are yellow/orange vegetables and fruits and dark green leafy vegetables:

Yellow/orange vegetables – carrots, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, winter squash Yellow/orange fruits – apricots, cantaloupes, papayas, mangoes, carambolas, nectarines, peaches Dark green leafy vegetables – spinach, broccoli, endive, kale, chicory, escarole, watercress and beet leaves, turnips, mustard, dandelion Other good vegetable and fruit sources – summer squash, asparagus, peas, sour cherries, prune plums.

The beta-carotene content of fruits and vegetables can vary according to the season and degree of ripening.

Absorption and body stores

Bile salts and fat are needed for the absorption of beta-carotene in the upper small intestine. Many dietary factors, e.g. fat and protein, affect absorption. Approximately 10-50% of the total beta-carotene consumed is absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. The proportion of carotenoids absorbed decreases as dietary intake increases. Within the intestinal wall (mucosa), beta-carotene is partially converted into vitamin A (retinol) by the enzyme dioxygenase. This mechanism is regulated by the individual's vitamin A status. If the body has enough vitamin A, the conversion of beta-carotene decreases. Therefore, beta-carotene is a very safe source of vitamin A and high intakes will not lead to hypervitaminosis A.

Excess beta-carotene is stored in the fat tissues of the body and the liver. The adult's fat stores are often yellow from accumulated carotene while the infant's fat stores are white.

Bioavailability of beta-carotene

Bioavailability refers to the proportion of beta-carotene that can be absorbed, transported and utilised by the body once it has been consumed. It is influenced by a number of factors:

Beta-carotene from dietary supplements is better absorbed than beta-carotene from foods Food processing such as chopping, mechanical homogenisation and cooking enhances bioavailability of beta-carotene The presence of fat in the intestine affects absorption of beta-carotene. The amount of dietary fat required to ensure carotenoid absorption seems to be low (approximately 3-5g per meal)

Suzi

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if they eat eggs or dairy that could be the secret...

Suzi

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From: webriter <webriter@...>health Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 9:58:19 AMSubject: Re: Vegan question

Recently I remembered that Miners back in the early 1800's were seen stumbling into Indian camps [they had been subsisting on rabbits, that have little to no fat] and they'd steal a piece of deer fat off of hanging meat and eat it to keep them from starving from the lack of fat. I started thinking about this and the fact that Beta Carotene needs some fat to be absorbed and I was wondering how vegans can get the BC absorbed.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

Don't know about that... but I pulled this from my files.. hope it helps you some...

The best sources of beta-carotene are yellow/orange vegetables and fruits and dark green leafy vegetables:

Yellow/orange vegetables – carrots, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, winter squash Yellow/orange fruits – apricots, cantaloupes, papayas, mangoes, carambolas, nectarines, peaches Dark green leafy vegetables – spinach, broccoli, endive, kale, chicory, escarole, watercress and beet leaves, turnips, mustard, dandelion Other good vegetable and fruit sources – summer squash, asparagus, peas, sour cherries, prune plums.

The beta-carotene content of fruits and vegetables can vary according to the season and degree of ripening.

Absorption and body stores

Bile salts and fat are needed for the absorption of beta-carotene in the upper small intestine. Many dietary factors, e.g. fat and protein, affect absorption. Approximately 10-50% of the total beta-carotene consumed is absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. The proportion of carotenoids absorbed decreases as dietary intake increases. Within the intestinal wall (mucosa), beta-carotene is partially converted into vitamin A (retinol) by the enzyme dioxygenase. This mechanism is regulated by the individual's vitamin A status. If the body has enough vitamin A, the conversion of beta-carotene decreases. Therefore, beta-carotene is a very safe source of vitamin A and high intakes will not lead to hypervitaminosis A.

Excess beta-carotene is stored in the fat tissues of the body and the liver. The adult's fat stores are often yellow from accumulated carotene while the infant's fat stores are white.

Bioavailability of beta-carotene

Bioavailability refers to the proportion of beta-carotene that can be absorbed, transported and utilised by the body once it has been consumed. It is influenced by a number of factors:

Beta-carotene from dietary supplements is better absorbed than beta-carotene from foods Food processing such as chopping, mechanical homogenisation and cooking enhances bioavailability of beta-carotene The presence of fat in the intestine affects absorption of beta-carotene. The amount of dietary fat required to ensure carotenoid absorption seems to be low (approximately 3-5g per meal)

Suzi

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I think vegans don't eat those,

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

Don't know about that... but I pulled this from my files.. hope it helps you some...

The best sources of beta-carotene are yellow/orange vegetables and fruits and dark green leafy vegetables:

Yellow/orange vegetables – carrots, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, winter squash Yellow/orange fruits – apricots, cantaloupes, papayas, mangoes, carambolas, nectarines, peaches Dark green leafy vegetables – spinach, broccoli, endive, kale, chicory, escarole, watercress and beet leaves, turnips, mustard, dandelion Other good vegetable and fruit sources – summer squash, asparagus, peas, sour cherries, prune plums.

The beta-carotene content of fruits and vegetables can vary according to the season and degree of ripening.

Absorption and body stores

Bile salts and fat are needed for the absorption of beta-carotene in the upper small intestine. Many dietary factors, e.g. fat and protein, affect absorption. Approximately 10-50% of the total beta-carotene consumed is absorbed in the gastrointestinal tract. The proportion of carotenoids absorbed decreases as dietary intake increases. Within the intestinal wall (mucosa), beta-carotene is partially converted into vitamin A (retinol) by the enzyme dioxygenase. This mechanism is regulated by the individual's vitamin A status. If the body has enough vitamin A, the conversion of beta-carotene decreases. Therefore, beta-carotene is a very safe source of vitamin A and high intakes will not lead to hypervitaminosis A.

Excess beta-carotene is stored in the fat tissues of the body and the liver. The adult's fat stores are often yellow from accumulated carotene while the infant's fat stores are white.

Bioavailability of beta-carotene

Bioavailability refers to the proportion of beta-carotene that can be absorbed, transported and utilised by the body once it has been consumed. It is influenced by a number of factors:

Beta-carotene from dietary supplements is better absorbed than beta-carotene from foods Food processing such as chopping, mechanical homogenisation and cooking enhances bioavailability of beta-carotene The presence of fat in the intestine affects absorption of beta-carotene. The amount of dietary fat required to ensure carotenoid absorption seems to be low (approximately 3-5g per meal)

Suzi

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It depends on what kind of vegetarian.  Quite a lot do eat eggs and

dairy - they are called lacto-ovo-vegetarians. 

On 9/23/2010 11:29 AM, webriter wrote:

 

I think vegans don't eat those,

 

 

    ~Katy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ok, I thought vegans [not vegetarians] didn't eat any animal products.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

It depends on what kind of vegetarian. Quite a lot do eat eggs and dairy - they are called lacto-ovo-vegetarians. On 9/23/2010 11:29 AM, webriter wrote:

I think vegans don't eat those,

   ~Katy

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it 's a "meat" thing.. some do not feel eggs are meat ... dairy is milk not meat, etc.. there are different vegans

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From: webriter <webriter@...>health Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 12:11:55 PMSubject: Re: Vegan question

Ok, I thought vegans [not vegetarians] didn't eat any animal products.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

It depends on what kind of vegetarian. Quite a lot do eat eggs and dairy - they are called lacto-ovo-vegetarians. On 9/23/2010 11:29 AM, webriter wrote:

I think vegans don't eat those,

   ~Katy

[Guest guest]



True vegans do not eat any animal products. Some don't even eat honey, wear leather or have pictures developed (back when we used film) because it took a bovine by-product to develop the film.

Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.

I've never heard this about beta carotene, but then I don't really worry about specific vitamins or minerals.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Quote]Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.[/quote

Yes, this was my question, many true vegans look a bit etiolated, well, they do to me, maybe the palesness and lack of thriftiness is due to a lack of Vit A absorption.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

 True vegans do not eat any animal products. Some don't even eat honey, wear leather or have pictures developed (back when we used film) because it took a bovine by-product to develop the film.

Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.

I've never heard this about beta carotene, but then I don't really worry about specific vitamins or minerals.

Shari

[Guest guest]

I did a RAW diet for a while. You just have to make sure to eat enough nuts and get healthy oils into your diet... coconut oil, olive oil, etc. The dark greens are where you get protein and calcium but most people don't like them because they can be bitter.

If you're a vegan you HAVE TO eat/drink your dark greens! And most don't.

Candace

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From: webriter <webriter@...>Subject: Re: Vegan questionhealth Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:03 PM

Quote]Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.[/quote

Yes, this was my question, many true vegans look a bit etiolated, well, they do to me, maybe the palesness and lack of thriftiness is due to a lack of Vit A absorption.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

 True vegans do not eat any animal products. Some don't even eat honey, wear leather or have pictures developed (back when we used film) because it took a bovine by-product to develop the film.

Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.

I've never heard this about beta carotene, but then I don't really worry about specific vitamins or minerals.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Last I read. Vegans eat, drink and use nothing from animals. This means

nothing from water that is animal, nothing from land animals and nothing

from birds. In other words, no butter, no eggs, no milk, no

bacon/sausage/ham or like I said, nothing by animal.

Now, what do they do when a vaccine contains parts of an animal? I have

no idea. I suspect they don't even know about it. I know I have no idea

what shots contain parts of an animal or are maybe derived from animals.

Bill

On 09/23/2010 12:29, webriter wrote:

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>

> I think vegans don't eat those,

>    ~Katy

> Sheep to the right; His Lamb

> “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is

> your strength " Isa 30:15

> http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

> Christian-homesteaders/

> <Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598>

> biblical survival

> /--*/ Re: Vegan question

> if they eat eggs or dairy that could be the secret...

> Suzi

> List Owner

> health

> What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

[Guest guest]

I knew one vegetarian that ate fish, shrimp and chicken, but would not

eat pork or beef. As she said, the fish, shrimp and chicken could not

understand what was happening to them, like pigs and cows do.

Yet another vegetarian wouldn't eat an animal that had been killed, but

she loved milk, ice cream and other dairy products, plus of course, eggs.

I've never known any vegans personally.

Bill

On 09/23/2010 13:11, webriter wrote:

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>

> Ok, I thought vegans [not vegetarians] didn't eat any animal products.

>    ~Katy

> Sheep to the right; His Lamb

> “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is

> your strength " Isa 30:15

> http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

> Christian-homesteaders/

> <Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598>

> biblical survival

> /--*/ Re: Vegan question

>

>

> It depends on what kind of vegetarian. Quite a lot do eat eggs and dairy

> - they are called lacto-ovo-vegetarians.

>

>

[Guest guest]



Sorry, you don't HAVE to eat dark green. Man was desgined to thrive on fruit and fruit alone. You can read up on it here: www.rawschool.com A lot of what we believe is from eons of eating habits and what Natural Hygiene teaches is that before fire man survived on fruits alone.

Shari

[Guest guest]



Bill - most vegans don't do vaccines, at least this vegan doesn't and none that I associate with do them either.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Yes but it's the fruitarians who look emaciated. Man CAN live on nothing but sunlight... One guys been doing it for years. Doesn't mean you should!Which fruits have protein and calcium!Candace No shadows to depress you Only joys to surround you Many friends to love you God himself to bless you These are my wishes for you, For today, tomorrow & everyday. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 24, 2010, at 6:11 AM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:



Sorry, you don't HAVE to eat dark green. Man was desgined to thrive on fruit and fruit alone. You can read up on it here: www.rawschool.com A lot of what we believe is from eons of eating habits and what Natural Hygiene teaches is that before fire man survived on fruits alone.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Again, when you eat mostly fruit, you must be eating constantly or you won't get enough to eat, Monkeys and apes who eat this way are eating all day long.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

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-- Re: Vegan question

Yes but it's the fruitarians who look emaciated. Man CAN live on nothing but sunlight... One guys been doing it for years. Doesn't mean you should!

Which fruits have protein and calcium!Candace

No shadows to depress you

Only joys to surround you

Many friends to love you

God himself to bless you

These are my wishes for you,

For today, tomorrow & everyday.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:11 AM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:



Sorry, you don't HAVE to eat dark green. Man was desgined to thrive on fruit and fruit alone. You can read up on it here: www.rawschool.com A lot of what we believe is from eons of eating habits and what Natural Hygiene teaches is that before fire man survived on fruits alone.

Shari

[Guest guest]

The way I figure it, it's better to have a few unpleasant meals now, and not be fed by IV while slowly dying of cachexia later, and eating hospital food when I am not in the process of dying. I have a daily fresh veg juice, it's not that tasty but like I said, it's healthy, and my body prefers it even if my tongue does not.

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Vegan question

 True vegans do not eat any animal products. Some don't even eat honey, wear leather or have pictures developed (back when we used film) because it took a bovine by-product to develop the film.

Well, I'm wondering how some raw food vegans have survived for all these years without eating animal products and a minimal amount of fat.

I've never heard this about beta carotene, but then I don't really worry about specific vitamins or minerals.

Shari

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In such a case, nuts, seeds, coconut,

Rena

Vegan question

How does a vegan get Beta Carotene to be absorbed without eating saturated fats?

   ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

“In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

In my opinion they are not vegetarians. One can eat lots of vegetables, but

that doesn't make them vegetarians if they eat some animal flesh.

To say that the fish, shrimp and chicken could not understand what was

happening to them, or is an excuse, or is a demonstration of ignorance about

animals.

Rena

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"Which fruits have protein and calcium!"

All of them. It takes protein to make a nucleus. Just not a whole lot, but it's in there. I'll have to send you some pictures of my raw friends, who I don't think look emaciated. Try this guy: http://foodnsport.com/

Shari

[Guest guest]



And, if you would like to learn more I invite you to join a raw food discussion group on . Email me privately for the link. We have been talking about the proper time to eat during the day. About 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and no later than 4 p.m. is optimal. Gives your body lots of down time to detox and get food through before you sleep.

Shari

shavig@...

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Or Storm Taliferi. Yum-O!Not only veggie, but 100% raw. And in his 60s. Truly ripped.<G> SharynSent from my iPadOn Sep 24, 2010, at 8:15 PM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:I'll have to send you some pictures of my raw friends, who I don't think look emaciated. Try this guy: http://foodnsport.com/

[Guest guest]

Oooh, yeah! I forgot about Storm and Jinjee. I'm doing a 21 day raw cleanse with Jinjee right now and I'll start a 28 day raw workout with Storm after.

S