inflammation

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In a message dated 3/19/2006 11:37:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

madeline107@... writes:

I have lots of issues with inflammation and worry that eating meat and

more of it is just going to cause me more issues. Can anyone address

this?

What else are you eating? Are you eating beneficial meats? What meds do you

take? What spices do you use? Compare what you eat to the BTD and eat

mostly beneficials. I've never heard of meat causing inflammation. You been

talking to a vegetarian nutritionist?

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tundrabuns wrote:

> Doesn't eating a great deal of meat cause inflammation in your body?

Saturated fat can cause inflammation if not overbalanced by a lot of

antioxidants. I have an inflammatory disease so I can't afford the

saaturated fat either. What I do is eat very lowfat meat, and add extra

virgin olive oil as an anti-inflammatory fat:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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The post is an advertisement, like Kay mentioned. Not trying to sell

anything? Hogwash.

[Guest guest]

This sounds like an ad to me. I didn't think this type of post was permitted

on this list.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Yes, it certainly can, as can allergies. Some of us are highly inflammable

for apparently no reason at all, I am one of these. I live on Inflammablox.

Kenda

> Hi girls

> I wanted to ask you about the candida. Do you think that it could

> cause bad inflammation? I am in terrible discomfort - not just in my

> normal sternum/clavicles arthritis area, but my also my back - mostly

> the low. I just feel so inflammed all over and I have absolutely no

> flexibility. I am waiting for supplements to arrive (ones that worked

> last time for treating the Candida), but in the meantime ....

> I'm thinking maybe the candida is back because my husband's arthritic

> knees are really bad again. We're both suffering right now. Has

> anyone else had experience like this? I really feel awful! Don't have

> medical insurance right now and don't think I want to see an MD

> anyway. I feel puffy everywhere, especially around my abdomen.

> thanks a lot.

> cherie

>

>

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Cherie, There's so much information available online, and at the library, on Candida and similar organism! . .. There are over 300 yeast/fungal organisms that can survive in the body and cause problems, None of us can say with certainty that Candida is causing your, and your husband's problems, but it's certainly worth checking out. . . At least, the good thing is that treating it is completely within your control - rather than spending a fortune in medical bills. . . Still, understanding what you're dealing with will go a long way in determining what you need to take to get well. Hugs, Rogene Cherie Sutherland <funhome@...> wrote: Hi girlsI wanted to ask you about the candida. Do you think that it could cause bad inflammation? I am in terrible discomfort - not just in my normal sternum/clavicles arthritis area, but my also my back - mostly the low. I just feel so inflammed all over and I have absolutely no flexibility. I am waiting for supplements to arrive (ones that worked last time for treating the Candida), but in the meantime ....I'm thinking maybe the candida is back because my husband's arthritic knees are really bad again. We're both suffering right now. Has anyone else had experience like this? I really feel awful! Don't have medical insurance

right now and don't think I want to see an MD anyway. I feel puffy everywhere, especially around my abdomen.thanks a lot.cherie

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I treat inflammation in my clients mainly using:

wild coldwater fish oil such as cod-liver or wild salmon oil;

plant oil reduction (usually, except coconut and palm) including

reducing flax oil;

increased antioxidant pool with special attention to glutathione

precursors (i.e. undenatured whey and selenium) because

glutathione production falls with age, increasing inflammation;

a metabolic enzyme program to cope with the only anti-coagulant

enzyme, plasmin, which also falls with age and inceases

inflammation.

This approach is described in my anti-aging and degenerative

ilnesses protocol:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/degeneratives_autoimmunes_protoc

ol.html

Here's the unbreakable link:

http://tinyurl.com/8j6oq

Duncan

On 13 Nov 2006 at 3:35, Coconut Oil

wrote:

>

> Posted by: " icuplaynow " jo-jimochs@... icuplaynow

> Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:36 pm ((PST))

>

> what do you say to someone who says they can't take any coconut

> product because it causes inflammation in their joints ? I love all

> you knowledgeable people .. I love the info on VCO and also helpful

> things such as the cayenne etc..

>

>

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People in all parts of world used plant oils for hundreds and thousands of

years, why today we have to run after fish oil??????

Thanks to the big giants who use solvent extraction for cooking oil

production. Most of the underdeveloped world is today using the expeller pressed

oil and they can't even afford to buy fish oil but still enjoying good health.

Why???

I use most of my oil that are expeller pressed, spectrum brand is best suited

for me except for coconut cream from tropical tradition and clarified butter. I

Stopped eating fish for some time and have no problems since moved to expeller

pressed unrefined oils.

Why solvent extraction is a problem??

Today hexane is used for this process to get oil out of the seed. The same

hexane present in the gasoline we put in our cars. a concentration upto 25 ppm

(parts per million) is left in the cooking and some people with multiple

chemical sensitivity (MCS) and chronic fatigue (CF) face problem due to this

small conc. of hexane in cooking oil. A concentration of 10 ppb (parts per

billion) is the MCL for drinking water then why we are tolerating so much more

in cooking oils?? Just the power of big food giants.

Well wait till all the fish population get high in mercury............

Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

I treat inflammation in my clients mainly using:

wild coldwater fish oil such as cod-liver or wild salmon oil;

plant oil reduction (usually, except coconut and palm) including

reducing flax oil;

increased antioxidant pool with special attention to glutathione

precursors (i.e. undenatured whey and selenium) because

glutathione production falls with age, increasing inflammation;

a metabolic enzyme program to cope with the only anti-coagulant

enzyme, plasmin, which also falls with age and inceases

inflammation.

This approach is described in my anti-aging and degenerative

ilnesses protocol:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/degeneratives_autoimmunes_protoc

ol.html

Here's the unbreakable link:

http://tinyurl.com/8j6oq

Duncan

On 13 Nov 2006 at 3:35, Coconut Oil

wrote:

>

> Posted by: " icuplaynow " jo-jimochs@... icuplaynow

> Date: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:36 pm ((PST))

>

> what do you say to someone who says they can't take any coconut

> product because it causes inflammation in their joints ? I love all

> you knowledgeable people .. I love the info on VCO and also helpful

> things such as the cayenne etc..

>

>

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Inflammation WHERE?

Jim

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shannah9 <brfifield@...> wrote:

I'm re-reading Buhner's book to put together a shopping list.

Meantime,

I am going through a major inflammatory flair that is immobilizing me.

I feel like I'm going to burst and have been sleeping a lot. What

is/are the most effective things to take to get this inflammation under

control enough and quickly so that I can function.

Thanks,

bf

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

The inflammation seems to be all over. The burning and red skin is mainly on the

trunk of my body but I also have the burning hands and feet. I feel like I'm on

fire inside, my mouth is flaming red and throat sore. The tingling and numbness

in my legs and feet have increased, although I'm not as bad today as yesterday.

I am under the impression from the doctor that these times are an increase in

inflammation.

Thanks,

bf

Re: [ ] Inflammation

Inflammation WHERE?

Jim

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shannah9 <brfifield@...> wrote:

I'm re-reading Buhner's book to put together a shopping list. Meantime,

I am going through a major inflammatory flair that is immobilizing me.

I feel like I'm going to burst and have been sleeping a lot. What

is/are the most effective things to take to get this inflammation under

control enough and quickly so that I can function.

Thanks,

bf

[Guest guest]

WOW, that sounds rough. I never had that. What are you taking into your

system, or doing to the outside of it? Have you been diagnosed with

co-infections?

Jim

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Barbara <brfifield@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,

The inflammation seems to be all over. The burning and red skin is mainly on the

trunk of my body but I also have the burning hands and feet. I feel like I'm on

fire inside, my mouth is flaming red and throat sore. The tingling and numbness

in my legs and feet have increased, although I'm not as bad today as yesterday.

I am under the impression from the doctor that these times are an increase in

inflammation.

Thanks,

bf

[Guest guest]

I've never been tested for co-infections but have multiple brain lesions and

demyelination showing from an MRI. I was doing DHEA which really helped but came

off at the request of the LLMD. Everything went crazy after that. I'm keeping it

somewhat tamed with high doses of D (anti inflammatory effects) right now. I

have an appointment with a nerologist in a few weeks but the last neurologist

offered tegretol (anti seizure) medication which apparently causes even more

fatigue and dizziness. Didn't like that option as already bedbound so much of

the time.

I was hoping for something with really effective/potent anti inflammatory

properties from Buhner's list. I'm currently doing antibiotics but hoping to

augment with Buhner's herbs. From what I've been reading of the posts, it seems

that I can get everything at 1st Chinese Herbs. As soon as I can get a complete

listing together, I will place an order. Meantime, if there was a herb that

would help get this under control, I would just try to pick up some locally to

try for the interum. ( I have tried some ginseng for energy but it makes all the

burning much worse so only take about 1/2 cap every other day. Even this small

amount does seem to help the adrenals somewhat.)

Many thanks for any suggestions.

bf

Re: [ ] Inflammation

WOW, that sounds rough. I never had that. What are you taking into your

system, or doing to the outside of it? Have you been diagnosed with

co-infections?

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Dear Barbara,

I hear your pleas for some relief.

My opinion is that you should order the Buhner Core protocol herbs as

soon as possible and take them.

I believe that they work well together and that is one reason why they

are so effective.

Just my opinion, and others may have different suggestions.

Good luck for quick relief!

ellen

, " Barbara " <brfifield@...> wrote:

>

>

> I was hoping for something with really effective/potent anti

inflammatory properties from Buhner's list. I'm currently doing

antibiotics but hoping to augment with Buhner's herbs.

> Many thanks for any suggestions.

>

> bf

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I have written down from Buhners book, Knotweed, Devil's Claw and

Stephania Root are anti-inflammatories. Plus good for other things. I take all

three of those, plus I also take Periwinkle, which is supposed to be good for

memory difficulties, eyes, etc..

Jim.

###

Barbara <brfifield@...> wrote:

I've never been tested for co-infections but have multiple brain

lesions and demyelination showing from an MRI. I was doing DHEA which really

helped but came off at the request of the LLMD. Everything went crazy after

that. I'm keeping it somewhat tamed with high doses of D (anti inflammatory

effects) right now. I have an appointment with a nerologist in a few weeks but

the last neurologist offered tegretol (anti seizure) medication which apparently

causes even more fatigue and dizziness. Didn't like that option as already

bedbound so much of the time.

I was hoping for something with really effective/potent anti inflammatory

properties from Buhner's list. I'm currently doing antibiotics but hoping to

augment with Buhner's herbs. From what I've been reading of the posts, it seems

that I can get everything at 1st Chinese Herbs. As soon as I can get a complete

listing together, I will place an order. Meantime, if there was a herb that

would help get this under control, I would just try to pick up some locally to

try for the interum. ( I have tried some ginseng for energy but it makes all the

burning much worse so only take about 1/2 cap every other day. Even this small

amount does seem to help the adrenals somewhat.)

Many thanks for any suggestions.

bf

[Guest guest]

Dear Shirley and group

Yaaaaaaaa great shirly your inflamation is down. I love to hear good

results. I have inflamation not taking arava though. And still in

pain. In a few hours I go to my rheumy. Been waiting for a month to go

I have congestive heart failure. No my heart hasnt failed. It just has

a hard time pumping. So I have to take lasax meds to get rid of the

extra fluid it backs up into my hands and feet. Unless it is the RA

making it swell I just don't know.

Gently hugs to everyone

Clora

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Clora,

Thank you. I talked with my rheummy today because my BP kept going up,

so I had to stop the Arava. She said to give it a week but she

suspects the Arava to be the cause. Maybe the inflammation will stay

down. I would cross my fingers if I could!

I hope your new meds do the trick. It is so strange how somethings

work for some people and not others. I guess it is just trial and

error for the combinations that work. It is hard to be patient when

you are in pain though.

I hope everyone has a peaceful rest tonight,

Shirley

>

> Dear Shirley and group

> Yaaaaaaaa great shirly your inflamation is down. I love to hear good

> results. I have inflamation not taking arava though. And still in

> pain. In a few hours I go to my rheumy. Been waiting for a month to

go

>

> I have congestive heart failure. No my heart hasnt failed. It just

has

> a hard time pumping. So I have to take lasax meds to get rid of the

> extra fluid it backs up into my hands and feet. Unless it is the RA

> making it swell I just don't know.

>

> Gently hugs to everyone

> Clora

>

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Shirly and Group

Awe Shirly I am so so sorry. I know its trial and error. So the arava

is messing with ya. That sux. I hardly ever say that word. But now I

know its meaning , that sux.

I am feeling better than I have in many months. I cant belieive how

this prednisone is helping. I hope you find the meds you can take

gently hugs

Clora

[Guest guest]

Hi kay:  I suggest you try a shot of " let er' buck " whiskey and call your

brother and remind him how much you love him.....you will feel much better !!!!!

Love,

[Guest guest]

A few suggestions

1. Next blood work have creatine run

2. Keep a food log-- I have noticed that MSG and sulfites make me

Make me muscular weak my nuckles get red and swollen and

My it ache

3. Watch the temp on showers and hot tubs

Hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your suggestions. I do pay attention to the sulfates, and MSG. I

also do take hot baths and try to get in the hot tub as often as I can. I am

going to the Dr Friday so I'll have the doctor check my Creatine, which she will

already have my test results, when I go. Thank you again!

Kay

Seaside Oregon

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay

I usually have inflammation ( I get rashes and anxious legs and can feel my

heart beat at night) problems when I cheat on my diet and eat a lot of sweets,

fried foods red meats. I usually have to take liquid or granular lecithin and

cold pressed oils directly from a spoon for a few days and of course get back on

the chicken fish and veggie diet again. Adelle gave pretty explicit

directions regarding these foods.

Ed

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Creatine is not a sign of inflammation. It is released into the system

through muscle work and use. With atrophy creatine runs lower than normal.

And a one off test is not sufficient to monitor this - according to my

doctors only a prolonged variation in readings can show any sign of real

variation caused by atrophy. My first low reading was about 6 months ago,

so I need a few more years of low readings to show any sign of creatine

related to atrophy.

Best,

Donna from London

[Guest guest]

Thank you Ed for your information. I am trying to go vegan. Have a great day!

Kay

[Guest guest]

, Inflammation Nation points out that unsaturated vegetable oils are the

main source of inflammation, and also recognizes that some saturated fats don't

fuel the inflammatory arachidonic acid pathway, so the argument is not centered

on saturated fats but on specific fatty acids.

Another inflammation cause might be glutathione depletion; another might be

histamine reaction by the way. These are also not covered in the book.

Duncan

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> That all seems to be based on the idea that saturated fat causes inflammation,

which I don't think there's very strong empirical evidence for.

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> " I already know an awful lot of people and until one of them dies I couldn't

possibly meet anyone else. " -  Reggie Lampert

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Duncan Crow wrote:

> , Inflammation Nation points out that unsaturated vegetable oils are the

main source of inflammation, and also recognizes that some saturated fats don't

fuel the inflammatory arachidonic acid pathway,

Duncan,

I wish you would supply page numbers for that statement, as I cannot

find it in the book.

In fact Chilton recommends ONLY unsaturated vegetable oils and so far as

I can find, does not include any saturated fats as such in any of the

meal plans or recipes that I have so far examined.

sol