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Lee:

Thanks for that response. I never knew that diabetics delude themselves, write

down wrong blood sugar levels, and actually hide candy.

Eating incorrectly (especially when one has diabetes), well, it's obviously an

addiction. But there aren't too many rehab places for these people, are there?

what a shame.

Melody

Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life

> Sprouter

>

> On 12/26/08, Leron Bouma <leronb@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hey Sparrow,

> > You might not see the advise given to diabetics as so contradictory

> > if you consider that we have two very different diseases going by

> the

> > same name.

>

> While I do wish the diseases had different names, that's not the

> cause. There is one school of people healing diabetes with a high

> meat, high fat, almost zero carb diet and another school of people

> healing diabetes with a low or zero meat, very low fat, zero simple

> carbs, high complex carb diet. That's almost 100% contradictory

> advice! There are other schools of thought that are having good

> success with healing diabetes but they are sub-schools of the above

> two, for example the high raw diet which falls under the no meat

> category. There may be other schools of thought that are reversing

> diabetes that I am not aware of.

>

> All of the above are addressing type 2 (although some claim that their

> program can lead to significant improvement in type 1 but not cure

> it.)

>

> > When I tell someone that I have diabetes and they respond,

> > " I know what that means because my grandmother has diabetes. "

> > I'm thinking, " No you don't, grandma is type two. "

>

> I've met some type 1 grandmothers over on tudiabetes.com. The days

> when type 1 diabetics couldn't expect to live past 30 or 40 are long

> gone, thanks to modern medicine.

>

> > There are definite times when a

> > poptart or corn syrup sweetened soft drink would save me from a trip

> > to the emergency room.

>

> Those aren't the recommendations. They were part of a regular meal

> plan. The advice was that a diabetic can eat whatever they want in

> moderation and just increase their medication to make up for the extra

> carbs. There was no differentiation between different types of carbs

> and no acknowledgement that a diabetic (of any of the many types -

> there are more than just two types of diabetes) will be healthier if

> they forgo both the poptart and the extra medicinal boost to process

> it (unless they need it for an insulin overdose, in which case they'd

> be better served anyway by carrying a tube of frosting in their pocket

> for emergencies - faster acting and more precise dosage and easier to

> carry. But for the unprepared, whatever is handy is what's needed to

> save their life!)

>

> And this is one of the leading diabetic organizations in the country

> that was recommending Schwepps and PopTarts every day in the diet of a

> type 2 diabetic! And then I find out that they get major funding from

> Schwepps and other food manufacturers and that's why they're pushing

> those poisons on us. And then my GP wonders why I don't consider

> anything coming from that organization to be credible information.

> Hello?

>

> > I've had type one diabetes since i was 18 years old (I'm 55 now).

> > Because of it I have had a couple of toes amputated; I spent 5 years

> > on dialysis, 4 years ago this coming Jan 24 I got a kidney

> transplant

> > that has greatly improved the quality of my life, thanks to the

> > generosity

> > of people who don't even know me.

> > Life is good!

>

> Glad to hear that things are going better for you! Those are all

> problems that my family has faced with their type 2 diabetes as well.

> My uncle lost both his legs and then got so suicidal over being in a

> wheelchair and on dialysis that he put a shotgun in his mouth, leaving

> behind a wife and two little girls. My grandmother went blind by your

> age. These are the reasons I take my diabetes seriously, even when I

> meet type 1s online who scoff at type 2 and say it's no big deal. It

> *IS* a big deal and my family is proof! This is one of the reasons I

> wish there were different names for the diseases. I also get so tired

> of all the prejudice I get from type 1s about type 2s bringing it all

> on themselves by being lazy and gluttonous. I'm so glad you're not

> like that! And I'm so glad that your health is better with the

> transplant. Stay well!

>

> Sparrow

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Lee is right. Too many diabetics out there trying to fool themselves.

I'm sure we all know at least one. I had a friend that went to the donut

shop every morning for apple fritter and coffee. He was already so bad

that it hurt him to wear socks. His attitude was that " I'll take more

insulin " . He was younger that me. I went to his funeral.

ew

Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life

> Sprouter

>

> On 12/26/08, Leron Bouma <leronb@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hey Sparrow,

> > You might not see the advise given to diabetics as so

contradictory

> > if you consider that we have two very different diseases going by

> the

> > same name.

>

> While I do wish the diseases had different names, that's not the

> cause. There is one school of people healing diabetes with a high

> meat, high fat, almost zero carb diet and another school of people

> healing diabetes with a low or zero meat, very low fat, zero simple

> carbs, high complex carb diet. That's almost 100% contradictory

> advice! There are other schools of thought that are having good

> success with healing diabetes but they are sub-schools of the above

> two, for example the high raw diet which falls under the no meat

> category. There may be other schools of thought that are reversing

> diabetes that I am not aware of.

>

> All of the above are addressing type 2 (although some claim that

their

> program can lead to significant improvement in type 1 but not cure

> it.)

>

> > When I tell someone that I have diabetes and they respond,

> > " I know what that means because my grandmother has diabetes. "

> > I'm thinking, " No you don't, grandma is type two. "

>

> I've met some type 1 grandmothers over on tudiabetes.com. The days

> when type 1 diabetics couldn't expect to live past 30 or 40 are

long

> gone, thanks to modern medicine.

>

> > There are definite times when a

> > poptart or corn syrup sweetened soft drink would save me from a

trip

> > to the emergency room.

>

> Those aren't the recommendations. They were part of a regular meal

> plan. The advice was that a diabetic can eat whatever they want in

> moderation and just increase their medication to make up for the

extra

> carbs. There was no differentiation between different types of

carbs

> and no acknowledgement that a diabetic (of any of the many types -

> there are more than just two types of diabetes) will be healthier

if

> they forgo both the poptart and the extra medicinal boost to

process

> it (unless they need it for an insulin overdose, in which case

they'd

> be better served anyway by carrying a tube of frosting in their

pocket

> for emergencies - faster acting and more precise dosage and easier

to

> carry. But for the unprepared, whatever is handy is what's needed

to

> save their life!)

>

> And this is one of the leading diabetic organizations in the

country

> that was recommending Schwepps and PopTarts every day in the diet

of a

> type 2 diabetic! And then I find out that they get major funding

from

> Schwepps and other food manufacturers and that's why they're

pushing

> those poisons on us. And then my GP wonders why I don't consider

> anything coming from that organization to be credible information.

> Hello?

>

> > I've had type one diabetes since i was 18 years old (I'm 55 now).

> > Because of it I have had a couple of toes amputated; I spent 5

years

> > on dialysis, 4 years ago this coming Jan 24 I got a kidney

> transplant

> > that has greatly improved the quality of my life, thanks to the

> > generosity

> > of people who don't even know me.

> > Life is good!

>

> Glad to hear that things are going better for you! Those are all

> problems that my family has faced with their type 2 diabetes as

well.

> My uncle lost both his legs and then got so suicidal over being in

a

> wheelchair and on dialysis that he put a shotgun in his mouth,

leaving

> behind a wife and two little girls. My grandmother went blind by

your

> age. These are the reasons I take my diabetes seriously, even when

I

> meet type 1s online who scoff at type 2 and say it's no big deal.

It

> *IS* a big deal and my family is proof! This is one of the reasons

I

> wish there were different names for the diseases. I also get so

tired

> of all the prejudice I get from type 1s about type 2s bringing it

all

> on themselves by being lazy and gluttonous. I'm so glad you're not

> like that! And I'm so glad that your health is better with the

> transplant. Stay well!

>

> Sparrow

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This reminds me of an 82 year old man that I know. He's about 127 lbs. (his

mother lived to 105, so you know there's good genes at play here). He has smoked

since he was 15 or so. LONG TIME RIGHT?

Well, a few months ago he coughed up blood. Every time in the past when you

mentioned that he should stop smoking, he'd look you right in the eye and give

you all the nonsense about how there is no proof that smoking kills, that

Reeve's wife died of Lung Cancer and she never smoked. I politely

informed him that Second hand smoke is worse and that Reeve's wife

worked in a nightclub for MANY years before she married the guy and that's how

she inhaled all that second hand smoke.

Didn't make a difference. His reply was always " if I die, I die " .

So when he coughed up the blood, they took him to the hospital, they did an

endo and they found SOMETHING in his lung. some kind of a mass. They gave me all

the reports and on the bottom it said " pneumonia, but we can't rule this out, we

can't rule that out, but this is unremarkable, that is unremarkable.

So the docs ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS GUY HAS. By the way, the guy is back home

and doing nicely.

but the kicker is that a few months ago while he was in the hospital, he

couldn't smoke right? And he was home 3 or 4 days later.

His daughter said " he's stopped smoking " . I said " what do you mean he stopped

smoking, did they put him on the patch? " and she started yelling " of course not,

they told him to stop smoking and he has to stop, so he stopped " . I just looked

at her and SAID NOTHING. She wouldn't have believed me, so I just said

" really??, he stopped just like that after 60 or so years of smoking? "

No one else smokes in that house by the way so they had no clue.

So I see him coming in and out of his driveway during the day. I said to my

husband " he's going out for a smoke " .

the other nigh, there he was, outside, not even hiding it. Smoking!! I said

nothing because it's none of my business.

but the family actually thought that a person can quit smoking COLD TURKEY

after more than 60 years of smoking??

Talk about having one's head in the sand.

Mel

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Well, My father did stop smoking cold turkey after about 55-60 years of

smoking.  He set a goal that on the anniversary of his mothers birth he would

never pick up a cigarette again.  'well because his house smelled of smoke we

could not tell he had quit and 6 months later he told us that he had..  Plus he

wanted to get into an Assisted Living place and knew he would have to stop or go

outside all of the time.

 

Stopping cold turkey can be done, but if someone smokes a single cigarrette it

makes it so much harder to stop again.

Smyrna, TN

US Zone 6b

From: Melody Lubart <eliz7212@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life Sprouter

Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 9:51 AM

This reminds me of an 82 year old man that I know. He's about 127 lbs. (his

mother lived to 105, so you know there's good genes at play here). He has smoked

since he was 15 or so. LONG TIME RIGHT?

Well, a few months ago he coughed up blood. Every time in the past when you

mentioned that he should stop smoking, he'd look you right in the eye and give

you all the nonsense about how there is no proof that smoking kills, that

Reeve's wife died of Lung Cancer and she never smoked. I politely

informed him that Second hand smoke is worse and that Reeve's wife

worked in a nightclub for MANY years before she married the guy and that's how

she inhaled all that second hand smoke.

Didn't make a difference. His reply was always " if I die, I die " .

So when he coughed up the blood, they took him to the hospital, they did an endo

and they found SOMETHING in his lung. some kind of a mass. They gave me all the

reports and on the bottom it said " pneumonia, but we can't rule this out, we

can't rule that out, but this is unremarkable, that is unremarkable.

So the docs ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS GUY HAS. By the way, the guy is back home and

doing nicely.

but the kicker is that a few months ago while he was in the hospital, he

couldn't smoke right? And he was home 3 or 4 days later.

His daughter said " he's stopped smoking " . I said " what do you mean he stopped

smoking, did they put him on the patch? " and she started yelling " of course not,

they told him to stop smoking and he has to stop, so he stopped " . I just looked

at her and SAID NOTHING. She wouldn't have believed me, so I just said

" really??, he stopped just like that after 60 or so years of smoking? "

No one else smokes in that house by the way so they had no clue.

So I see him coming in and out of his driveway during the day. I said to my

husband " he's going out for a smoke " .

the other nigh, there he was, outside, not even hiding it. Smoking!! I said

nothing because it's none of my business.

but the family actually thought that a person can quit smoking COLD TURKEY after

more than 60 years of smoking??

Talk about having one's head in the sand.

Mel

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Wow, congrats to your dad. His is the first case I have ever heard of that a

person quit cold turkey. How many packs a day did he smoke?

Th guy near me (who is 82 and has been smoking for over 60 years), well I HAVE

NEVER SEEN HIM IN THE STREET WITHOUT A LIT CIGARETTE. I sincerely believe he

smokes at least 4 packs a day.

My mother smoked 5 packs a day. Up until a few months before she passed away, I

went to visit her in the nursing home she and my dad both resided in. She had

suffered from dementia at that point. She told me " melody go out and buy a pack

of cigarettes for me " . I said " are you for real, open up your pocketbook " and

she did. I counted 26 packs of cigarettes. She had emphasema and was on all the

nebulizers, etc. She coudn't breathe but she could still smoke.

I remember asking the doctor at that place: " If she has trouble breathing, how

the heck can she still smoke " ? and he smiled sadly and said: " don't even think

of asking her to stop, it's too late, the nicotine has gone to her brain " .

But the one thing that mystified me was at 7 p.m every night, all the nursing

staff would take their break OUTSIDE ON THE FRONT PORCH. They all lit up.

I never understood that, but then again, I DON'T SMOKE!!

Melody

Re: Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life Sprouter

Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 9:51 AM

This reminds me of an 82 year old man that I know. He's about 127 lbs. (his

mother lived to 105, so you know there's good genes at play here). He has smoked

since he was 15 or so. LONG TIME RIGHT?

Well, a few months ago he coughed up blood. Every time in the past when you

mentioned that he should stop smoking, he'd look you right in the eye and give

you all the nonsense about how there is no proof that smoking kills, that

Reeve's wife died of Lung Cancer and she never smoked. I politely

informed him that Second hand smoke is worse and that Reeve's wife

worked in a nightclub for MANY years before she married the guy and that's how

she inhaled all that second hand smoke.

Didn't make a difference. His reply was always " if I die, I die " .

So when he coughed up the blood, they took him to the hospital, they did an

endo and they found SOMETHING in his lung. some kind of a mass. They gave me all

the reports and on the bottom it said " pneumonia, but we can't rule this out, we

can't rule that out, but this is unremarkable, that is unremarkable.

So the docs ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS GUY HAS. By the way, the guy is back home

and doing nicely.

but the kicker is that a few months ago while he was in the hospital, he

couldn't smoke right? And he was home 3 or 4 days later.

His daughter said " he's stopped smoking " . I said " what do you mean he stopped

smoking, did they put him on the patch? " and she started yelling " of course not,

they told him to stop smoking and he has to stop, so he stopped " . I just looked

at her and SAID NOTHING. She wouldn't have believed me, so I just said

" really??, he stopped just like that after 60 or so years of smoking? "

No one else smokes in that house by the way so they had no clue.

So I see him coming in and out of his driveway during the day. I said to my

husband " he's going out for a smoke " .

the other nigh, there he was, outside, not even hiding it. Smoking!! I said

nothing because it's none of my business.

but the family actually thought that a person can quit smoking COLD TURKEY

after more than 60 years of smoking??

Talk about having one's head in the sand.

Mel

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I am really not sure how much he smoked probably a carton a week.  I know when

he finally told us there were several cartons stacked in his room and he gave

them to my brother.  I have never smoked, all I know is that the nicotine is

like a drug and is very addictive.

Smyrna, TN

US Zone 6b

From: Melody Lubart <eliz7212verizon (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life Sprouter

Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 9:51 AM

This reminds me of an 82 year old man that I know. He's about 127 lbs. (his

mother lived to 105, so you know there's good genes at play here). He has smoked

since he was 15 or so. LONG TIME RIGHT?

Well, a few months ago he coughed up blood. Every time in the past when you

mentioned that he should stop smoking, he'd look you right in the eye and give

you all the nonsense about how there is no proof that smoking kills, that

Reeve's wife died of Lung Cancer and she never smoked. I politely

informed him that Second hand smoke is worse and that Reeve's wife

worked in a nightclub for MANY years before she married the guy and that's how

she inhaled all that second hand smoke.

Didn't make a difference. His reply was always " if I die, I die " .

So when he coughed up the blood, they took him to the hospital, they did an endo

and they found SOMETHING in his lung. some kind of a mass. They gave me all the

reports and on the bottom it said " pneumonia, but we can't rule this out, we

can't rule that out, but this is unremarkable, that is unremarkable.

So the docs ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS GUY HAS. By the way, the guy is back home and

doing nicely.

but the kicker is that a few months ago while he was in the hospital, he

couldn't smoke right? And he was home 3 or 4 days later.

His daughter said " he's stopped smoking " . I said " what do you mean he stopped

smoking, did they put him on the patch? " and she started yelling " of course not,

they told him to stop smoking and he has to stop, so he stopped " . I just looked

at her and SAID NOTHING. She wouldn't have believed me, so I just said

" really??, he stopped just like that after 60 or so years of smoking? "

No one else smokes in that house by the way so they had no clue.

So I see him coming in and out of his driveway during the day. I said to my

husband " he's going out for a smoke " .

the other nigh, there he was, outside, not even hiding it. Smoking!! I said

nothing because it's none of my business.

but the family actually thought that a person can quit smoking COLD TURKEY after

more than 60 years of smoking??

Talk about having one's head in the sand.

Mel

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On 12/28/08, Rushing <lindas_organic_garden@...> wrote:

>

> Hmm, they would have to be raw because I make a raw cereal.

> I add approx. the same amount of water as the mixture and

> soak over night.

Just because you don't cook them doesn't necessarily mean they're raw.

For example, you can soak rolled oats ovenright and make a " raw "

cereal out of them but they are not raw, they are steamed (all oats

not specifically designated for sprouting have been steamed to keep

them fresh longer since oats go rancid so quickly.) Another example is

that you might go to the store and see " raw almonds " on a bin of nuts

but they aren't really raw, they are just not roasted. All

commercially sold almonds in the U.S. are steamed by law. You can only

get really raw almonds if you buy directly from a grower who doesn't

steam the nuts.

Now, if your buckwheat groats sprout, they're definitely really raw.

Sparrow

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Well,  I have been purchasing products labled " organic " and " raw "   I did not

know about the steaming.  Tell me how I would sprout buckwheat groats and I will

try I have the 1/2 gallon jar sprouter.  My seeds will not be in untill after

the first accoriding to the UPS site.  It will be interesting to try the grouts

and see what happens.  I have raw almonds also, well at least they are labled

Organic and Raw.

 

Thanks!

Smyrna, TN

US Zone 6b

>

> Hmm, they would have to be raw because I make a raw cereal.

> I add approx. the same amount of water as the mixture and

> soak over night.

Just because you don't cook them doesn't necessarily mean they're raw.

For example, you can soak rolled oats ovenright and make a " raw "

cereal out of them but they are not raw, they are steamed (all oats

not specifically designated for sprouting have been steamed to keep

them fresh longer since oats go rancid so quickly.) Another example is

that you might go to the store and see " raw almonds " on a bin of nuts

but they aren't really raw, they are just not roasted. All

commercially sold almonds in the U.S. are steamed by law. You can only

get really raw almonds if you buy directly from a grower who doesn't

steam the nuts.

Now, if your buckwheat groats sprout, they're definitely really raw.

Sparrow

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California almonds labeled as " raw " that are organic have been steamed. Non

organic California almonds labeled as " raw " are fumigated with chemicals.

Both are relatively new procedures, started a little over a year ago.

Thia

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

> All

> commercially sold almonds in the U.S. are steamed by law. You can only

> get really raw almonds if you buy directly from a grower who doesn't

> steam the nuts.

>

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From what I have read, Valencia almonds (from Spain) that are labeled " raw "

really are raw.

Thia

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

> California almonds labeled as " raw " that are organic have been steamed.

> Non organic California almonds labeled as " raw " are fumigated with

> chemicals. Both are relatively new procedures, started a little over a year

> ago.

>

> Thia

>

>

>

> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

>

>> All

>> commercially sold almonds in the U.S. are steamed by law. You can only

>> get really raw almonds if you buy directly from a grower who doesn't

>> steam the nuts.

>>

>

>

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On 12/28/08, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

>

> California almonds labeled as " raw " that are organic have been steamed. Non

> organic California almonds labeled as " raw " are fumigated with chemicals.

> Both are relatively new procedures, started a little over a year ago.

But you can still get really raw if you go to a grower. For instance,

I think it's the San Diego farmer's market that has a grower who sells

truly raw almonds. A few growers are also mail-ordering truly raw

almonds. But any you buy in a grocery store or health food store are

steamed or fumigated.

Sparrow

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The steaming and the chemical fumigation was inacted by the almond board of

cali. through the manipulation of the blue diamond.D & s ranches sells there

almonds truly raw direct to the the consumer,all retail sales must be treated

almonds to be legal.

From: lindas_organic_garden@...

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:56:17 -0800

Subject: Re: Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life Sprouter

Well, I have been purchasing products labled " organic " and " raw " I

did not know about the steaming. Tell me how I would sprout buckwheat groats

and I will try I have the 1/2 gallon jar sprouter. My seeds will not be in

untill after the first accoriding to the UPS site. It will be interesting to

try the grouts and see what happens. I have raw almonds also, well at least

they are labled Organic and Raw.

Thanks!

Smyrna, TN

US Zone 6b

>

> Hmm, they would have to be raw because I make a raw cereal.

> I add approx. the same amount of water as the mixture and

> soak over night.

Just because you don't cook them doesn't necessarily mean they're raw.

For example, you can soak rolled oats ovenright and make a " raw "

cereal out of them but they are not raw, they are steamed (all oats

not specifically designated for sprouting have been steamed to keep

them fresh longer since oats go rancid so quickly.) Another example is

that you might go to the store and see " raw almonds " on a bin of nuts

but they aren't really raw, they are just not roasted. All

commercially sold almonds in the U.S. are steamed by law. You can only

get really raw almonds if you buy directly from a grower who doesn't

steam the nuts.

Now, if your buckwheat groats sprout, they're definitely really raw.

Sparrow

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Have any of you noticed that SproutPeople sells raw almonds?

ew

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Sprouter

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:19 -0700

On 12/28/08, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

>

> California almonds labeled as " raw " that are organic have been

steamed. Non

> organic California almonds labeled as " raw " are fumigated with

chemicals.

> Both are relatively new procedures, started a little over a year

ago.

But you can still get really raw if you go to a grower. For instance,

I think it's the San Diego farmer's market that has a grower who

sells

truly raw almonds. A few growers are also mail-ordering truly raw

almonds. But any you buy in a grocery store or health food store are

steamed or fumigated.

Sparrow

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Have any of you noticed that SproutPeople sells raw almonds?

ew

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Sprouter

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:23:19 -0700

On 12/28/08, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

>

> California almonds labeled as " raw " that are organic have been

steamed. Non

> organic California almonds labeled as " raw " are fumigated with

chemicals.

> Both are relatively new procedures, started a little over a year

ago.

But you can still get really raw if you go to a grower. For instance,

I think it's the San Diego farmer's market that has a grower who

sells

truly raw almonds. A few growers are also mail-ordering truly raw

almonds. But any you buy in a grocery store or health food store are

steamed or fumigated.

Sparrow

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On 12/29/08, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

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> Have any of you noticed that SproutPeople sells raw almonds?

Actually, no, I hadn't noticed. Thanks for pointing that out!

Sparrow

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On 12/29/08, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

>

> Have any of you noticed that SproutPeople sells raw almonds?

Actually, no, I hadn't noticed. Thanks for pointing that out!

Sparrow

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