Re: Diabetic Diet, was; Fresh Life Sprouter

December 26, 2008

On 12/26/08, Leron Bouma <leronb@...> wrote:

>

> Hey Sparrow,

> You might not see the advise given to diabetics as so contradictory

> if you consider that we have two very different diseases going by the

> same name.

While I do wish the diseases had different names, that's not the

cause. There is one school of people healing diabetes with a high

meat, high fat, almost zero carb diet and another school of people

healing diabetes with a low or zero meat, very low fat, zero simple

carbs, high complex carb diet. That's almost 100% contradictory

advice! There are other schools of thought that are having good

success with healing diabetes but they are sub-schools of the above

two, for example the high raw diet which falls under the no meat

category. There may be other schools of thought that are reversing

diabetes that I am not aware of.

All of the above are addressing type 2 (although some claim that their

program can lead to significant improvement in type 1 but not cure

it.)

> When I tell someone that I have diabetes and they respond,

> " I know what that means because my grandmother has diabetes. "

> I'm thinking, " No you don't, grandma is type two. "

I've met some type 1 grandmothers over on tudiabetes.com. The days

when type 1 diabetics couldn't expect to live past 30 or 40 are long

gone, thanks to modern medicine.

> There are definite times when a

> poptart or corn syrup sweetened soft drink would save me from a trip

> to the emergency room.

Those aren't the recommendations. They were part of a regular meal

plan. The advice was that a diabetic can eat whatever they want in

moderation and just increase their medication to make up for the extra

carbs. There was no differentiation between different types of carbs

and no acknowledgement that a diabetic (of any of the many types -

there are more than just two types of diabetes) will be healthier if

they forgo both the poptart and the extra medicinal boost to process

it (unless they need it for an insulin overdose, in which case they'd

be better served anyway by carrying a tube of frosting in their pocket

for emergencies - faster acting and more precise dosage and easier to

carry. But for the unprepared, whatever is handy is what's needed to

save their life!)

And this is one of the leading diabetic organizations in the country

that was recommending Schwepps and PopTarts every day in the diet of a

type 2 diabetic! And then I find out that they get major funding from

Schwepps and other food manufacturers and that's why they're pushing

those poisons on us. And then my GP wonders why I don't consider

anything coming from that organization to be credible information.

Hello?

> I've had type one diabetes since i was 18 years old (I'm 55 now).

> Because of it I have had a couple of toes amputated; I spent 5 years

> on dialysis, 4 years ago this coming Jan 24 I got a kidney transplant

> that has greatly improved the quality of my life, thanks to the

> generosity

> of people who don't even know me.

> Life is good!

Glad to hear that things are going better for you! Those are all

problems that my family has faced with their type 2 diabetes as well.

My uncle lost both his legs and then got so suicidal over being in a

wheelchair and on dialysis that he put a shotgun in his mouth, leaving

behind a wife and two little girls. My grandmother went blind by your

age. These are the reasons I take my diabetes seriously, even when I

meet type 1s online who scoff at type 2 and say it's no big deal. It

*IS* a big deal and my family is proof! This is one of the reasons I

wish there were different names for the diseases. I also get so tired

of all the prejudice I get from type 1s about type 2s bringing it all

on themselves by being lazy and gluttonous. I'm so glad you're not

like that! And I'm so glad that your health is better with the

transplant. Stay well!

Sparrow

December 26, 2008

Just wanted to add my voice to this diabetic discussion. I know this man who

lives a few houses down from me. He is 58 years old, Type 1, has had 3 major eye

surgeries dating back YEARS ago, he's skinny as a toopick and LOVES HIS

PASTRIES.

I was talking to him once and I said " one thing I know about people with

diabetes, it doesnt matter if it's type one or type 2, there should be no

pastires (maybe if one goes to wedding, but that is the exeption and not the

rule).

He laughed and told me " I give myself 4 injections every day, I WILL NOT GIVE UP

MY SWEETS " .

I then said " what's your A1c? and he said " I have no idea " and I said " what do

you mean, what was your sugar reading this morning? " and he laughed and said " I

haven't taken my sugar in quite some time " .

I looked at him. I can count the number of people I know personally that have

diabetes, well I can say maybe 7 or 8. The rest I know are online. But the 7 or

8 I do know take their blood sugar ever single morning and monitor it during the

day. Some are obese, some are skinny, but NONE OF THEM LIVE ON JUNK FOOD AND

PASTRIES.

He is the ONLY one I know who gives himself 4 shots a day. I was always under

the impression that when one has Type 1, and gives themselves 4 shots a day, one

has to be very careful about what one puts in their mouth.

I was having a talk with him one day. I said: " do you really not take your sugar

every day and do you really eat all the pastries? " and he laughed and said " LIfe

is too short to give up my food " . The he said " I know how my sugar is by the way

I feel " . " And I know how much to give myself in the shot by what I'm going to

eat " .

Any comments on this way of thinking would be very much appreciated.

I cannot fathom what this man is thinking when he puts all those italian

pastries in his mouth. He is skinny as a stick AND LOVES TO EAT!!

Melody