Digestive Enzymes

November 15, 2005

>

> I'm referring to suplemental forms of enzymes. As best I can tell

I'm doing everything else to enhance digestion;fermented veggies with

each meal,chewing longer and not drinking with meals. So I thought

maybe with all the fat I'm consuming I simply need more supplemental

enzymes for now but I don't want to take more than I need and waste

them. I'm wondering if heartburn kind of pain would be indicative of

an overdose of enzymes? How else would one tell if he or she is taking

too many enzymes?

>

> Phil

Well here Ari goes again about why people should get their nutrition

from whole foods instead of pills and supplements.

When you get your enzymes in a food you're getting all kinds of other

stuff to balance such as protein, water and fiber and other nutrients.

You don't have the problem of overconcentration and overdose that you

get from isolated supplements. It's a more...organic way of eating

Ari

November 18, 2005

Thanks . I'm suspecting the problem is the sphincter atrophy as eating

ginger really makes a difference. Also my upper lip has shrunk at about the same

time which I believe is related to digestive system.

Could consuming large quantities of lemon water cause the atrophy?Somehow reduce

HCL production? I was doing that for a couple of weeks to flush out lyme and

metal detox garbage.

Phil

Re: Digestive Enzymes

your

gall bladder.

As to the heartburn, the most likely explanation is either

hypochlorhydria (insufficient stomach acid production) or lower

esophageal sphincter atrophy -- or both, since hypochlorhydria tends

to cause the atrophy. Since you have very firm stools,

hypochlorhydria is less likely, but you could experiment with HCl

supplementation, which isn't dangerous at all unless you go

completely crazy and ignore the very clear signs you'd get if you

took too much. The only non-surgical treatment I know of for

sphincter atrophy is ginger juice. If you google reflux and ginger

juice you'll find a protocol that recommends 1 teaspoon taken upon

rising every day for three weeks. That didn't work for me. Several

months of taking 1-2 tablespoons with each meal, however, did.

It could also be that your body will eventually adapt to the higher

levels of fat you're consuming, but if I were you, I'd be proactive

and try a course of ginger juice. You could also try a challenge

test for hypochlorhydria, again being cautious.

November 18, 2005

Phil-

>Could consuming large quantities of lemon water cause the

>atrophy?Somehow reduce HCL production? I was doing that for a couple

>of weeks to flush out lyme and metal detox garbage.

I don't see why lemon water would cause the atrophy unless you're

adding sugar... I also don't think atrophy would be dramatic in a

mere couple of weeks, so it sounds like longer-running problems may be at work.

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November 19, 2005

I sure do. I will resume it on Tuesday. I assume it must have carbs in addition

to the fats and protein.

Phil

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Phil,

Do you have access to fresh raw goat's milk? 3 to 4

glasses of this will put weight on you. Juli

--- REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> I just thought of something. For last 4-6 weeks I

> have been eating large quantities of brown rice. I

> now vaguely recall reading something in NT about

> people messing up their digestive tracts with brown

> rice. Any idea what the rice does to the system? I

> notice I now have this problem even when drinking

> water.

> Guess I better cut out the rice and stick to stuff

> like quinoa or amaranth and things like sweet

> potatoes to help me add weight.

>

November 19, 2005

Yeah, and I just finished reading the late Dr. Bernard

Jensen's book, The Magic of Goat Milk, really an

impressive book, anyways, he headed up some

sanitariums in California years back and had one guy

in there that was 40 lbs. underweight. He told the

guy to go out and milk a goat and drink a big glass

every few hours. Well, he did and ended up gaining

back all the weight in a few months and left the

clinic with a goat in tow!!

Good luck, Juli

--- REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> I sure do. I will resume it on Tuesday. I assume it

> must have carbs in addition to the fats and protein.

>

> Phil

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>

> Phil,

>

> Do you have access to fresh raw goat's milk? 3 to

> 4

> glasses of this will put weight on you. Juli

>

> --- REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

>

> > I just thought of something. For last 4-6 weeks

> I

> > have been eating large quantities of brown

> rice. I

> > now vaguely recall reading something in NT about

> > people messing up their digestive tracts with

> brown

> > rice. Any idea what the rice does to the system?

> I

> > notice I now have this problem even when

> drinking

> > water.

> > Guess I better cut out the rice and stick to

> stuff

> > like quinoa or amaranth and things like sweet

> > potatoes to help me add weight.

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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November 21, 2005

So now I wonder if I should give up fat to help the area heal or does the

healthy fats help the sphincter heal?

Phil

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Phil-

>Could consuming large quantities of lemon water cause the

>atrophy?Somehow reduce HCL production? I was doing that for a couple

>of weeks to flush out lyme and metal detox garbage.

I don't see why lemon water would cause the atrophy unless you're

adding sugar... I also don't think atrophy would be dramatic in a

mere couple of weeks, so it sounds like longer-running problems may be at

work.

November 21, 2005

On 11/21/05, REMOC <REMOCLIHP@...> wrote:

> So now I wonder if I should give up fat to help the area heal or does the

healthy fats help the sphincter heal?

>

Phil

Did you get any heartburn or acid reflux during the lemon water use?

If you did, it acidified you and that could interfere with muscle

signalling. Bone broth, celery and apples along with healthy fats

should help.

Wanita

> Re: Digestive Enzymes

>

> Phil-

>

> >Could consuming large quantities of lemon water cause the

> >atrophy?Somehow reduce HCL production? I was doing that for a couple

> >of weeks to flush out lyme and metal detox garbage.

October 9, 2010

I'm looking to buy some and I know most of what is sold in stores and online is garbage. Could you guys recommend some good ones!?

Thanks in advance!

Candace

Whether you think you can, or you think you can't...... you're always right. ~Henry Ford~

October 9, 2010

The BEST digestive enzymes I've found

(after a 40+ year search) is Supreme Digestive Enzymes

from www.E3Live.com

They are incredibly powerful and are combined with super blue-green algae

for a powerful energy & nutrition punch too!

Jan Jenson

The Wellth Coach

www.wellthychoices.net

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October 9, 2010

Hi Candace,

I take plant-based enzymes, because those are the only kind that your body can't

make. Any time you cook a food over 115 deg., you are killing all the enzymes

in that food, so these make up for what is cooked out of your food. The

capsules have 13 different enzymes that break down all types of foods, and will

work in your body no matter what your pH level is. They also have organic blue

green algae blended in, which supplies vitamins and minerals which the enzymes

need to work, and they have fennel, ginger, and cayenne, which also helps

support digestion.

http://www.healthyfutures.net/bluegreensolutions/products/products/e-12.php

I would suggest not going with fruit-based or pancreatic-based, because those

work in only a small pH range - so for instance, if your pH level is 7, and the

fruit-based enzymes work only when the pH level is 2-3, then they probably won't

work in your body.

Also, Pancreatic enzymes (which are from an animal source) will work only in an

alkaline pH of about 7.8 to 8.4. Almost no one is that alkaline, so they

probably won't work in your body.

I have done a lot of testing on enzymes products from the health food store, and

most of them are garbage. I have done the " pudding test " on many different

brands, and most don't work at all. Pudding test is - open a capsule and stir

it into pudding. It should liquify in just a couple minutes, and if it doesn't,

then it won't work inside you either.

Make sure you scroll down to the bottom of that page, and click on " More

information about enzymes " - very informative.

Carol

--- In health , Candace P <candaceandbrock@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm looking to buy some and I know most of what is sold in stores and online

is garbage. Could you guys recommend some good ones!?

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Candace

> Whether you think you can, or you think you can't...... you're always right.

~Henry Ford~

>

October 10, 2010

Thanks Carol! Good info.

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October 10, 2010

Candace - you couldn't order? That's weird - did the company not even answer

their phone? I've never had a problem ever. Yes, if you put the enzymes on a

quarterly autoship they give you 20% off. Good deal. I've been doing it that

way for 15 years.

Carol

--- In health , Candace P <candaceandbrock@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks! I couldn't order, it said I had to be a consultant or sign up for

automatic mailings after I order....

> I found one similar (plant based) that looks like it has good reviews. I guess

if I get it and it doesn't pass the pudding test I'll return it!

October 10, 2010

You may also want to give probiotics a try. Also, what about doing a food

journal and writing down everything you eat during the day and then writing down

when you have a problem, you may be able to eliminate some foods, or add

something else, to help with digestion.

Carol

My digestion is a mess.

>

> Candace

October 12, 2010

Kombucha was doing the trick but when my stomach hadn't hurt for a while I got cocky and stopped making it... My Scoby died.And GT Kombucha isn't in MN stores anymore. Ugh!!!!!Yogurt doesn't do much. Kefir helps to an extent.Candace No shadows to depress you Only joys to surround you Many friends to love you God himself to bless you These are my wishes for you, For today, tomorrow & everyday. Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2010, at 9:31 AM, "webriter" <webriter@...> wrote:

I also have a messy digestive system, try sauerkraut and "LIVE CULTURE" yogurt in your diet as well.

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Oh I didn't try calling! It was 3 am and I'm one of those antisocial people that do all their shopping online

I figured you need to be part of some membership.

I'll try them again next time... Yeesh I hope the ones I ordered are good. My digestion is a mess.Candace

No shadows to depress you

Only joys to surround you

Many friends to love you

God himself to bless you

These are my wishes for you,

For today, tomorrow & everyday.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "algaelady1" <carol@...> wrote:

Candace - you couldn't order? That's weird - did the company not even answer their phone? I've never had a problem ever. Yes, if you put the enzymes on a quarterly autoship they give you 20% off. Good deal. I've been doing it that way for 15 years. Carol >> Thanks! I couldn't order, it said I had to be a consultant or sign up for automatic mailings after I order....> I found one similar (plant based) that looks like it has good reviews. I guess if I get it and it doesn't pass the pudding test I'll return it!

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October 12, 2010

What is causing you to get worse after you get all better? And you can order Kefir and Kombucha online.

ï»¿ ï»¿ ï»¿ ~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

â€œIn repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength" Isa 30:15

http://www.orchardhouseheirlooms.net/ survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/ biblical survival

-- Re: Re: Digestive Enzymes

Oh I didn't try calling! It was 3 am and I'm one of those antisocial people that do all their shopping online

I figured you need to be part of some membership.

I'll try them again next time... Yeesh I hope the ones I ordered are good. My digestion is a mess.Candace

No shadows to depress you

Only joys to surround you

Many friends to love you

God himself to bless you

These are my wishes for you,

For today, tomorrow & everyday.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "algaelady1" <carol@...> wrote:

Candace - you couldn't order? That's weird - did the company not even answer their phone? I've never had a problem ever. Yes, if you put the enzymes on a quarterly autoship they give you 20% off. Good deal. I've been doing it that way for 15 years. Carol >> Thanks! I couldn't order, it said I had to be a consultant or sign up for automatic mailings after I order....> I found one similar (plant based) that looks like it has good reviews. I guess if I get it and it doesn't pass the pudding test I'll return it!

October 13, 2010

Well my digestion is a mess because from the age of 13-22 I had a BM once a month. I was completely clueless back then about diet or herbs so I just took that as my "normal". Dumb, I know.

One BM a month though. Yeah how did I stay alive you ask? I don't know!

Now I have Systemic Lupus (from too many toxins in my system for almost 10 years!?) and the most painful part of it is the gastroparesis.

I have a gallbladder so atrophied they couldn't find it when they tried doing an ultrasound. They found a cluster of stones under my liver and assumed that's my gallbladder... I also have stones in my liver, pancreas, and clogging up my intestines.

After many many many kidney infections I now am passing kidney stones as well.... all that going on in my guts just kinda backed up into my stomach I guess. I think maybe for a while the food had nowhere to go and the muscles in my stomach just stopped working.

Now when it acts up (I honestly don't know why it does from time to time) when I eat or drink anything it just sits in my stomach for days and then either slowly passes through after much pain or I puke it back up. Yuck!

I take lots of Dr Schulze's Formula #1 pills every day and do enemas just to have daily BMs and every month or 2 months as I can afford it I do his liver cleanse. I just allowed my system to get SO messed up it has been SLOW going trying to fix it.

I did a raw diet and juice fasts for a few months and got sicker and sicker and sicker and was about to lose my job so I had to stop. Now I do mostly raw almost 100% vegan and am just trying to clear as much out of my guts as I can. but slower this time around so I don't detox so severely.

That was a long answer to your question ha!

I tried finding GT Kombucha online to buy but can't. They pulled it from shelves and I don't know when it will be back. The other brands don't work!!!!! When I made my own it also did the trick but my Scoby is dead.

Kefir works but I have to drink it every 20-30 minutes to ward off the pain. It's better than nothing but barely.

Candace

Whether you think you can, or you think you can't...... you're always right. ~Henry Ford~

Candace - you couldn't order? That's weird - did the company not even answer their phone? I've never had a problem ever. Yes, if you put the enzymes on a quarterly autoship they give you 20% off. Good deal. I've been doing it that way for 15 years. Carol >> Thanks! I couldn't order, it said I had to

be a consultant or sign up for automatic mailings after I order....> I found one similar (plant based) that looks like it has good reviews. I guess if I get it and it doesn't pass the pudding test I'll return it!

October 13, 2010

Can I ask what kind of diet you were eating, ages 13-22?

On 10/12/2010 10:17 PM, Candace P wrote:

Well my digestion is a mess because from the age of

13-22 I had a BM once a month. I was completely clueless

back then about dietÂ or herbs so I just took that as my

"normal". Dumb, I know.

One BM a month though. Yeah how did I stay alive you

ask? I don't know!

Now I have Systemic Lupus (from too many toxins in my

system for almost 10 years!?) and the most painful part

of it is the gastroparesis.

Â

I have a gallbladder so atrophied they couldn't find

it when they tried doing an ultrasound. They found a

cluster of stones under my liver and assumed that's my

gallbladder... I also have stones in my liver, pancreas,

and clogging up my intestines.

After many many many kidney infections I now am

passing kidney stones as well.... all that going on in

my guts just kinda backed up into my stomach I guess. I

think maybe for a while the food had nowhere to go and

the muscles in my stomach just stopped working.

Â

Now when it acts up (I honestly don't know why it

does from time to time) when I eat or drink anything it

just sits in my stomach for days and then either slowly

passes through after much pain or I puke it back up.

Yuck!

Â

I take lots of Dr Schulze's Formula #1 pills every

day and do enemas just to have daily BMs and every month

or 2 months as I can afford it I do his liver cleanse. I

just allowed my system to get SO messed up it has been

SLOW going trying to fix it.

Â

I did a raw diet and juice fasts for a few months and

got sicker and sicker and sicker and was about to lose

my job so I had to stop. Now I do mostly raw almost 100%

vegan and am just trying to clear as much out of my guts

as I can. but slower this time around so I don't detox

so severely.

Â

That was a long answer to your question ha!

I tried finding GT Kombucha online to buy but can't.

They pulled it from shelves and I don't know when it

will be back. The other brands don't work!!!!! When I

made my own it also did the trick but my Scoby is dead.

Â

Kefir works but I have to drink it every 20-30

minutes to ward off the pain. It's better than nothing

but barely.

Candace

Whether you think you can, or you think you

can't...... you're always right. ~Henry Ford~

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October 13, 2010

GARBAGE! As a teen it was sugar sugar meat junk sugar meat junk... which was a complete turnaround from when I was a kid. We ate really healthy... our idea of a treat was when my mom would let us have one of her yogurts.

Go figure, as soon as I start eating garbage as a teen my guts went haywire. From 18-21 it was a lot of Kool Aid and Ramen Noodles. It was cheap.

So it's no surprise everything stopped working when it did. When I was 21 I got pregnant with Brock and did a complete turnaround back to how I ate as a kid. I couldn't bring myself to eat anything in a box or can. The site of meat sent me running to go puke. So Brock turned my diet around but I was REALLY sick the entire pregnancy and the year afterwards I went down down downhill and almost died. SO sick with an unexplained illness.

My dr says that was a lupus flare. I think it was a severe detox from getting off the sugar and garbage. I had also started taking Formula #1 (wow I've been taking it for 8 years!) so things were starting to move. I think toxins were getting knocked loose every which way!