Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 This information I got is from a book titled "Solved: The Riddle of Illness" by Langer, M.D.and is great for anyone who has or suspects they have thyroid problems. Hashimoto's Autoimmune Thyroiditis (HAIT) is an autoimmune illness where the body produces antibodies which attack the thyroid gland as if it were a threatening invader such as a bacteria, virus or fungus. It's one of many causes of thyroid disorders. You don't have to have this to have thyroid problems. To diagnose it you should ask for an antithyroid antibody panel consisting of antithyroglobulin and antimicrosomal antibodies. Treatment is pretty much the same according to the book (he uses armour thyroid), nutritional supplementation (B vitamins, vitaminC...) and essential fatty acids particularly GLA and EPA and improved diet with lots of fruits and veggies. The symptoms are the same as you'd find in any thyroid condition: Fatigue, depression, memory loss, nervousness (anxiety to panic attacks)allergies, Heartbeat irregularities, muscle /joint pains, sleep disturbances,etc... Keep in mind that you can have "normal" thyroid levels and still have a problem with your thyroid. If you get the results back and everything looks "normal" don't let them tell you you're fine and insinuate it's all on your head. Keep looking until you find a doctor who goes against convention. It' can be difficult to do but they are out there. If you happen to live near Cleveland Ohio I have a great doctor here. You can also check a website that lists recommended doctors although they are updating the list right now so the information isn't available yet.The site is http://thyroid.about.com/mbody.htm and click on the doctors tab. This is actually a great site for thyroid stuff, it has a vast amount of information. You'll have to check back periodically to see if the site has been updated. They list doctors by state and that's how I found mine. Good luck Monday. If you have time I highly recommend you buy that book and do some reading before Monday. It really makes things clear. Tammy Hashimoto's Debbie,You said that you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Can you point me to any infoabout it, how it is diagnosed and how it is treated differently thanhypothyroidism? Or lacking that just tell me? I am quite sure that I havehypothyroidism and want to prepare best I can for my first doctor'sappointment which is this coming Monday.Thanks much, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Ben: This pretty much summed it all up in this post about Hashimoto's. Yes all my " thyroid " tests came back " normal. " But, the one test that came back abnormal was my sedimentation rate. Your sed rate shows how much, if any, inflammation is in your system, which in turn, usually causes your body to produce white blood cells thinking your body has an infection and is " attacking " what it thinks is wrong. In HM and in RA (rheumatoid arthritis) which both sometimes go hand in hand because RA is also an autoimmune disease. It was a rheumatologist that diagnosed my HM. His first clue was the sed rate, which was higher than normal. Instead of putting me on the typical thyroid meds, I was put on a steroid (Prednisone) for one week. I felt so much better after the second day on the Prednisone and when I went back one week later, he told me that I had Hashimoto's Thyroiditis and RA. I am now on Plaquenil which is commonly used for RA or any autoimmune diseases. I'm in my fourth week and I can truthfully say I am feeling so much better then I have in many years. I was in remission for quite a few years and when this came back, it was worse then it ever had been before. The side effects of the Plaquenil were pretty bad the first week to 10 days but they have subsided and I've learned when and how to take it so I don't experience them. I take it just before bed and I either sleep through them or they've diminished completely. Here's a tidbit of info that I haven't seen shared anywhere or read anywhere but the first GP that even thought about checking my thyroid, looked at my fingernails. When she seen that I didn't have any " moons, " you know those areas of white half moon shapes near your cuticle, except in my thumbs. So, check your fingernails, if you've got kids, check theirs because this usually runs in the family. Debbie > This information I got is from a book titled " Solved: The Riddle of Illness " by Langer, M.D.and is great for anyone who has or suspects they have thyroid problems. > > Hashimoto's Autoimmune Thyroiditis (HAIT) is an autoimmune illness where the body produces antibodies which attack the thyroid gland as if it were a threatening invader such as a bacteria, virus or fungus. It's one of many causes of thyroid disorders. You don't have to have this to have thyroid problems. To diagnose it you should ask for an antithyroid antibody panel consisting of antithyroglobulin and antimicrosomal antibodies. Treatment is pretty much the same according to the book (he uses armour thyroid), nutritional supplementation (B vitamins, vitaminC...) and essential fatty acids particularly GLA and EPA and improved diet with lots of fruits and veggies. > The symptoms are the same as you'd find in any thyroid condition: Fatigue, depression, memory loss, nervousness (anxiety to panic attacks)allergies, Heartbeat irregularities, muscle /joint pains, sleep disturbances,etc... > Keep in mind that you can have " normal " thyroid levels and still have a problem with your thyroid. If you get the results back and everything looks " normal " don't let them tell you you're fine and insinuate it's all on your head. Keep looking until you find a doctor who goes against convention. It' can be difficult to do but they are out there. If you happen to live near Cleveland Ohio I have a great doctor here. You can also check a website that lists recommended doctors although they are updating the list right now so the information isn't available yet.The site is http://thyroid.about.com/mbody.htm > and click on the doctors tab. This is actually a great site for thyroid stuff, it has a vast amount of information. You'll have to check back periodically to see if the site has been updated. They list doctors by state and that's how I found mine. > Good luck Monday. If you have time I highly recommend you buy that book and do some reading before Monday. It really makes things clear. > Tammy > Hashimoto's > > > Debbie, > > You said that you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Can you point me to any info > about it, how it is diagnosed and how it is treated differently than > hypothyroidism? Or lacking that just tell me? I am quite sure that I have > hypothyroidism and want to prepare best I can for my first doctor's > appointment which is this coming Monday. > > Thanks much, Ben > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 Ben, Sounds like you're doing a lot of right things. Do you take a multivitamin? Tammy Hashimoto's Tammy, Thanks much for the info. I have ordered Shomon's book and been reading through her website. Fortunately, about 10 months ago I shifted my diet to the Zone, a 40-30-30 balance of good protein/carbs/fats, some months ago. I do supplement with wild Salmon oil to get EPA and DHA. I get my GLA from oatmeal each morning and am thinking about supplementing it with borage oil or primrose oil. After 2 months on this regimen my eyesight changed dramatically from not being able to read anything on a restaurant menu w/o glasses for the last 15 years to being able to read the smallest print in any newspaper w/o glasses. Weight has turned from being a hard thing to control to being easy. The Zone is much maligned, particularly as a high protein diet which it is not, but it is nothing short of Grrrrreat IMHO. It was designed to prevent heart disease. I suspect that my hypothyroidism is due to having started taking betasitosterol about 3 months ago. I stopped it last weekend and if my symptoms disappear in the next couple of days perhaps I won't have to go to the doctor. My wife seems to have it as well so we will keep her appointment in any case. Thanks again and best regards, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 <looked at my fingernails. <When she seen that I didn't have any " moons, " debbie what does lack of moons mean?... i was having bad ridges awhile back on my nails but they seem to have abaite some since ive been taking all these suppliments... no they are generally smooth again and grow like weeds... but i still feel achey all the time and head is tense... went to dr today and was tested for my thyroid... and hes pretty extensive.. tests for all the things you and others have said to test for... he said he goes by the levels of tsh with the new guidlines of 0.35-2.0 so i will have to wait and see where i am.. but he's pretty sure i have this hashimoto's thing?.. this is scarey tho.. it is in regards to the autoimmune system?? isnt that the same thing as aids? is this just another nice way of saying AIDS? do i have anything to really worry about in this regards?? oh my.... heavy sigh...awful thoughts are rushing through my mind... please tell me they are different... gypsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Gypsi, I'm not sure how you ever got the idea that AIDS was an autoimmune disorder (or vice versa). Where did you get that impression? I know there are a lot of self-proclaimed experts spreading untrue things about the source of AIDS, but to think it's an autoimmune disorder is pretty outrageous. I have Hashimoto's disease and I am completely unworried about contracting AIDS (unless perhaps I have to have a blood transfusion someday). Best wishes, Celeste gypsi wrote: > but he's pretty sure i have this hashimoto's thing?.. this is scarey > tho.. it is in regards to the autoimmune system?? isnt that the same > thing as aids? is this just another nice way of saying AIDS? do i > have anything to really worry about in this regards?? oh my.... heavy > sigh...awful thoughts are rushing through my mind... please tell me > they are different... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 AIDS stands for auto immune disorder - that is what the words mean Re: Hashimoto's Gypsi, I'm not sure how you ever got the idea that AIDS was an autoimmune disorder (or vice versa). Where did you get that impression? I know there are a lot of self-proclaimed experts spreading untrue things about the source of AIDS, but to think it's an autoimmune disorder is pretty outrageous. I have Hashimoto's disease and I am completely unworried about contracting AIDS (unless perhaps I have to have a blood transfusion someday). Best wishes, Celeste gypsi wrote: > but he's pretty sure i have this hashimoto's thing?.. this is scarey > tho.. it is in regards to the autoimmune system?? isnt that the same > thing as aids? is this just another nice way of saying AIDS? do i > have anything to really worry about in this regards?? oh my.... heavy > sigh...awful thoughts are rushing through my mind... please tell me > they are different... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Admin, Sorry, but that is incorrect. AIDS stands for Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any autoimmune disorders. Celeste ADMIN wrote: > AIDS stands for auto immune disorder - that is what the words mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 I think you are incorrect. Autoimmune diseases result from a misdirected immune response to one's own self. AIDS is an aquired immune disease. >AIDS stands for auto immune disorder - that is what the words mean _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Dear a, You wrote, " I am wondering if this is common for the antibodies to disappear?? " One doctor said that in the case of Lyme Disease the spirochetes can destroy the thyroid gland, and then the body stops producing antibodies to it. Sue B. upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Sue, that is pretty scary. I am now having to take 90 mg of Armour Thyroid a day. Is that considered a high dose? I have also gained 50 lbs, 30 of which I gained in six weeks. The docs can't figure out what is going on. I had a 5 hr fasting glucose level test, but the doc didn't test insulin levels, so....who knows. a > You wrote, " I am wondering if this is common for the > antibodies to disappear?? " > > One doctor said that in the case of Lyme Disease the spirochetes can destroy > the thyroid gland, and then the body stops producing antibodies to it. > > Sue B. > upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hi Bernadette, what is the name of the thyroid glandular? Gracia > Hi, > > I just found out I am hypothyroid with a TSH of 5.6. I still need to take the thyroid antibody test to see if it is Hashimoto's, which we think it is. My naturopath put me on a thyroid glandular and some homeopathic remedies. Is there anything else I should know? I am considering having my mercury fillings removed, as I understand this could be the cause. Does anyone have experience with this? > > Thanks, > Bernadette > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 > Hi Gracia, All I know is that the treatment form he gave me says " Thryoid 300 " . He said it is the only glandular that contains T3 and T4. But it won't come in until next week and I am having a big problem waiting until then. He thinks my Cortisol is low, but I can't do the test until Sunday because it needs to be mailed out the same day. I know my DHEA once tested high. I get these attacks at night which happen only when I am lying down. I get a burning sensation in my chest/back which spreads and makes my whole body hot, then my pulse gets rapid. Of course, I haven't been getting any sleep and am up several times a night. Do you know what this is? Thanks, Bernadette > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:55:27 -0400 > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > Subject: Re: Hashimoto's > > Hi Bernadette, what is the name of the thyroid glandular? > Gracia > > Hi, > > > > I just found out I am hypothyroid with a TSH of 5.6. I still need to take > the thyroid antibody test to see if it is Hashimoto's, which we think it is. > My naturopath put me on a thyroid glandular and some homeopathic remedies. > Is there anything else I should know? I am considering having my mercury > fillings removed, as I understand this could be the cause. Does anyone have > experience with this? > > > > Thanks, > > Bernadette > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 <<I am considering having my mercury fillings removed, as I understand this could be the cause. Does anyone have experience with this?>> You will likely read a lot of pro and con information about this - and your the only one that can make the decision. Most alternative health care providers encourage the removal of almalgans and there is plenty of evidence that suggests mercury in almalgans does cause some thyroid disorders. If you type into a search " mercury and thyroid " you will see there are many sites that talk about it. I've read in dental forums about people who have had their almalgans removed - but I have never seen anyone note any significant health improvements as a result of the removals. So - I wouldn't have the xpectation that you can cure your thyroid condition by removing amalgans. Also - most removal of amalgans is done with chelation therapy. Do your research before making any decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 I have never heard of Thyroid 300, are you in Canada? There are many glandulars in US with T3 and T4, Armour, nature-throid, biothroid. If your DHEA is high, your cortisol might be low. I just did the saliva test for adrenals from DiagnosTechs, am waiting for results. Meanwhile I ordered cortisol from the UK. Symptoms sound adrenal but i haven't experienced it. Gracia > > Hi Gracia, > > All I know is that the treatment form he gave me says " Thryoid 300 " . He said it is the only glandular that contains T3 and T4. But it won't come in until next week and I am having a big problem waiting until then. He thinks my Cortisol is low, but I can't do the test until Sunday because it needs to be mailed out the same day. I know my DHEA once tested high. I get these attacks at night which > happen only when I am lying down. I get a burning sensation in my chest/back which spreads and makes my whole body hot, then my pulse gets rapid. Of course, I haven't been getting any sleep and am up several times a night. Do you know what this is? > > Thanks, > Bernadette > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:55:27 -0400 > > From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > > Subject: Re: Hashimoto's > > > > Hi Bernadette, what is the name of the thyroid glandular? > > Gracia > > > Hi, > > > > > > I just found out I am hypothyroid with a TSH of 5.6. I still need to take > > the thyroid antibody test to see if it is Hashimoto's, which we think it is. > > My naturopath put me on a thyroid glandular and some homeopathic remedies. > > Is there anything else I should know? I am considering having my mercury > > fillings removed, as I understand this could be the cause. Does anyone have > > experience with this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bernadette > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 > Hi, Thanks for the info. I am still at the testing and information gathering stage. I have an appointment for more tests on Saturday, including the mercury. I have also sent away for Hal Huggins book, to see if it relates to me. I am going to have to do more research. Thanks, Bernadette > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:54:18 -0000 > From: " lil2du " <lil2du@...> > Subject: Re: Hashimoto's > > > <<I am considering having my mercury fillings removed, as I > understand this could be the cause. Does anyone have experience with > this?>> > > You will likely read a lot of pro and con information about this - > and your the only one that can make the decision. Most alternative > health care providers encourage the removal of almalgans and there is > plenty of evidence that suggests mercury in almalgans does cause some > thyroid disorders. If you type into a search " mercury and thyroid " > you will see there are many sites that talk about it. > > I've read in dental forums about people who have had their almalgans > removed - but I have never seen anyone note any significant health > improvements as a result of the removals. So - I wouldn't have the > xpectation that you can cure your thyroid condition by removing > amalgans. > > Also - most removal of amalgans is done with chelation therapy. Do > your research before making any decisions. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 In a message dated 8/25/03 1:59:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hyperthyroidism writes: > Can anyone shed some light on this for me so I can figure out what is going > > on? Is there a hypoT group anyone knows of? > Hi - hope I can give you a little info but I'm no expert. I did look into Hashi's since it's spread during longterm exposure (it tends to run in families, between husbands / wives and the like). According to <A HREF= " www.pubmed.gov " >pubmed.gov</A> there is also a smoking connection and people who quit smoking, then gain weight may have Hashi's. . . or is it the other way around? Initially it's characterized by a sore throat, sinus infection, allergic reaction or flu like symptoms but can go without any symptoms. It can go into remission and never show itself again. I asked a doctor about Hashi's and he told me they are hard to tell the difference from most of the time. Some people with Hashi's go hypO and others go hyperT and some swing between the two. The thing that happens is that doctors treat the resulting condition (depending on whether hypO or hyperT). There is a anti-thyroid anti-body to test for by I think it is also present in hyperTs (Elaine - could you clarify that?) When in hyperT mode- yes, emotional state and odd behavior can all be present but many will go into remission from addressing those issues and not directly the thyroid. Note that the emotional state one is in can effect the thyroid and vise versa. It has a real mind/body/spirit connection and healthing one can help the other areas heal . . but can also give one a sense of false security when not done properly and thoroughly. . . note the condition is a lifelong condition and your client will need to be aware of it. Not much, but that's all I know about it. . . Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 In a message dated 8/25/2003 10:43:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Andow2000@... writes: condition and your client will need to be aware of it. Not much, but that's all I know about it. . . Sherry Dear Sherry, Thanks for the info. Take care, AntJoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Bev, You wrote: > > ... Hashimoto's comes first then hypothryoidism, usually a long time > later. Have any of you heard of it being the other way around? ... Although Hashimoto's is the more common form, many of us have " idiopathic " hypothyroidism. My mother, sister, and I are that way. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 HI Chuck, What is that? thanks Bev > > > > ... Hashimoto's comes first then hypothryoidism, usually a long time > > later. Have any of you heard of it being the other way around? ... > > Although Hashimoto's is the more common form, many of us have > " idiopathic " hypothyroidism. My mother, sister, and I are that way. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Bev wrote: > HI Chuck, > What is that? > thanks Idiopathic means they do not have a clue what causes it. It may just be a genetic failure, or it could be a really fast acting form of autoimmune attack that disappears before leaving at trace. Basically, the thyroid simply stops working ... in a fairly short time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Thanks for the info Chuck, Bev > > HI Chuck, > > What is that? > > thanks > > Idiopathic means they do not have a clue what causes it. It may just be > a genetic failure, or it could be a really fast acting form of > autoimmune attack that disappears before leaving at trace. Basically, > the thyroid simply stops working ... in a fairly short time. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Dr. Gluck's website recommends this for Hashimoto's Thyroiditis: For intial dosage of LDN in those patients who have Hashimoto's thyroiditis with hypothyroidism and who are taking thyroid hormone replacement medication, please read Cautionary Warnings. Those patients who are taking thyroid hormone replacement for a diagnosis of Hashimoto's thyroiditis with hypothyroidism ought to begin LDN at the lowest range (1.5mg for an adult). Be aware that LDN may lead to a prompt decrease in the autoimmune disorder, which then may require a rapid reduction in the dose of thyroid hormone replacement in order to avoid symptoms of hyperthyroidism. http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/ > > Hi all, > > I am on the 4.5 dose of LDN now. One problem that is I am getting > very fatigued in the mid afternoon. I don't think its related to the LDN. > Any suggestions on what I should have checked?? > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 you should check your adrenal > > Hi all, > > I am on the 4.5 dose of LDN now. One problem that is I am getting > very fatigued in the mid afternoon. I don't think its related to the LDN. > Any suggestions on what I should have checked?? > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 That happened to me, too. The pharmacist explained to me that even if I thought I was sleeping ok, I actually was not getting the deep level sleep I needed. This caused the afternoon exhaustion. It went away when my body adjusted. I don’t have the same health problem you have, but maybe this will help anyhow. Judy Hashimoto's Posted by: " tronicsworld45 " tronicsworld45@... tronicsworld45 Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:36 pm (PDT) Hi all, I am on the 4.5 dose of LDN now. One problem that is I am getting very fatigued in the mid afternoon. I don't think its related to the LDN. Any suggestions on what I should have checked?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 -Adrenal functions...cortisol levels -- In low dose naltrexone , " tronicsworld45 " <tronicsworld45@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am on the 4.5 dose of LDN now. One problem that is I am getting > very fatigued in the mid afternoon. I don't think its related to the LDN. > Any suggestions on what I should have checked?? > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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