Re: Re: Jasmine/Rose CO2 (was AD Eden Botanicals)

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On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:16 PM, inzurich2004 wrote:

> Dear Will

> Thank you for the great news about the CO2's incense. This

> really is good news! I have two questions for you:

> Could you tell us where the two Jasmins CO2 are from?

> How about the Rose CO2 that you mentioned earlier: where will it

> be from and (more important):

> Do you have information on the rose's CO2 content in Methyl-Eugenol

> (naturally occuring in different percentage, strictly restricted by

> IFRA to 0.02% in final perfumes for its potential carcinogenic

> activity, in absolutes the concentrations vary from 1-3.5 % ) Here,

> I wonder whether the CO2 extraction process of concretes will

> reduce the natural Methyleugenol content.

> I wish you a fruitful and peaceful 2006

> Andy Tauer

>

Hi Andy - Happy New Year!

Sorry for the delay in responding... First about the Jasmines:

Both the grandiflorum and sambac CO2 extracts are from India. The

Jasmine sambac is mostly liquid and the Jasmine grandiflorum is semi-

solid. The aroma straight from the sample bottles are very nice.

Comparing aroma only, I prefer the CO2 extracts over the Absolutes.

However, they are more tricky to work with.

The Jasmine grandiflorum blended pretty well in Jojoba oil but stayed

a bit cloudy until settling on the bottom of the bottle. Filtering

would be required. In alcohol, the Jasmine grandiflorum stayed cloudy

and then settled out to the bottom as well. After filtering one time

through a paper coffee filter, the alcohol tincture was clear.

The Jasmine sambac blended perfectly in Jojoba oil (after sitting for

a week), however, in alcohol there are non-soluble particles which

eventually drop to the bottom of the bottle. Upon filtering one time

through a paper coffee filter there are some particles which still

remain. A finer filter (or additional filtering) would be required to

produce a clear liquid.

On aroma strips (we think) the Jasmine CO2 extracts are finer and

more ethereal, but still love the Absolutes as well. Surprisingly,

the Jasmine grandiflorum CO2 is lasting longer on the aroma strip

than the Jasmine Absolute. The Jasmine sambac CO2 was lighter in

aroma than the Sambac Absolute initially and after time. I think

that the Jasmine CO2 extracts will prove to be a bit more difficult

to work with than the Absolutes but will yield very interesting results.

The Rose will, most likely, also be from India. It is a good question

about the Methyl Eugenol content, but we will have to wait and find

out after they make a batch. I will be happy to report on the Rose

CO2 when the information is available.

Will Lapaz, Owner

Eden Botanicals

Pure Essential Oils, Absolutes & CO2 Extracts

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[Guest guest]

At 09:06 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:

Hi Will:

>Comparing aroma only, I prefer the CO2 extracts over the Absolutes.

>However, they are more tricky to work with.

I do love the CO2 extracts (some of them, not the agarwood or sandalwood,

no matter who the supplier, I personally find them a bit flat, but YMMV, of

course ;-) but I have, in my own experience, and hearing from others, yes,

are having some problems working with them.

>that the Jasmine CO2 extracts will prove to be a bit more difficult

>to work with than the Absolutes but will yield very interesting results.

Will, has your perfumer on staff noticed a bit of the scent " locking up " in

the CO2s after the blend matures? Sometimes even early on?

>The Rose will, most likely, also be from India. It is a good question

>about the Methyl Eugenol content, but we will have to wait and find

>out after they make a batch. I will be happy to report on the Rose

>CO2 when the information is available.

I do wonder if the different extraction process will lower the ME content.

This should be interesting and of value, if it does, in fact, it will make

it a hot commodity!

Anya

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