Re: Re: Whole Foods, a bit OT/ what is natural vs. organic

[Guest guest]

> Hi Anya, and all. Whole Foods, like Lush and a few

> other chains have achieved a marketing coup by

selling a 'natural'

> image when few of the products they carry, other

than produce and some

> other foods items, can be labelled 'natural' (in

my books anyway).

I would like to venture an explanation for the word

natural.

Is it an official term?

What exactly does it mean.

maybe:

The plant is grown without sprays?

Has the soil been tested?

It takes 7 years to get chemical spray out of the soil

to then grow " ORGANIC " plants etc.

I worked at the 1st organic bulk food store in NYC

Then the legal definition of organic was that it

contained carbon moleculeedlso then arsenic is an

organic compound. Somewhere in the 80's the

definition was changed to mean free of chemical spray.

Well that brings us bacvk to a point about soil

testing.

It takes 7 years to get chemical spray out of the soil

to then grow " ORGANIC " plants etc.

Back to certified ORGANIC.

Thanks for your attention and indulgence and hopeful

response.

When we are doing " Natural Perfumery " What exactly

does that tell a consumer?

I try to use organic and sometimes unwittingly say

theraputic grade essential oils because they are

advertised that way.

Am I lying when I use an absolute or if I used a CO2

or concrete?

Thanks

Bb,

the note the universe sounded before the big bang ac

cording to

NASA last year. Every certainty carried forth like

rumours on the wind!

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[Guest guest]

At 07:22 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

>I would like to venture an explanation for the word

>natural.

>Is it an official term?

Hi Beth:

No. The government doesn't regulate it. Unofficially, it's what we

perfumers who use natural aromatics call ourselves. It evolved out of an

aesthetic, although some claim an ideology, also. For me, it's an aesthetic

choice. I use natural aromatics.

>What exactly does it mean.

>maybe:

>The plant is grown without sprays?

>Has the soil been tested?

That's offtopic for this group, unless we're calling ourselves organic

natural perfumers ;-). Some perfumers may choose to source only organic, or

wildcrafted, but to have the full spectrum of scents available,

conventionally farmed plants are necessary.

>Thanks for your attention and indulgence and hopeful

>response. When we are doing " Natural Perfumery " What exactly

>does that tell a consumer?

We're using natural aromatics only, not synthetic chemicals. Some use oil

as a base (and there are many variations on that, organic, unfiltered,

conventional, fractionated, etc.) some use only organic alcohol, some use

denatured alcohol, some use " dry oil " (dimethicone? (sp?), or butters or

other carriers. What unites us is the use of natural aromatics only.

>I try to use organic and sometimes unwittingly say

>theraputic grade essential oils because they are

>advertised that way.

There is no " therapeutic " grade. That's PR baloney ;-) There are what I

call aromatherapy grade EOs, which means they are sold as they come out of

the still. Lavender 40/42 and other fiddled EOs are used by perfumers. Just

means they were distilled or blended after production to enhance their scent.

>Am I lying when I use an absolute or if I used a CO2

>or concrete?

Why would you be lying? Heck, you're using natural aromatics. The solvents

used in production are waaaayyy below minimums allowable, or gone

altogether, and CO2s are supposed to be pure enough for ingestion, since

they're aimed at the flavor industry.

HTH. Just my two cents, but I'd say relax, Beth, you're doing just fine!

Anya

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