Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Mel wrote... <<The Romanian Deadlift really is nothing special and offers no distinctly novel benefits over most of the other pulling variations.>> Me... Actually, I think it does. I think the " RDL " exploits two features that can help improve OL performance: 1) It emphasizes (and may be superior) strengthening the hip extending quality of the lifts. This is done by taking away the contribution of the knee extensors. 2) Strengthens the spinal extensors isometrically. Now you could argue that these two qualities can be gained from other exercises. The truth is that they probably can. The RDL is just one effective way. Mel... <<Lately I have been noticing that many athletes who are using the " Romanian Deadlift " seem to be showing deterioration in the technique of the Power Clean, Power Snatch and Full Clean,>> Mel, have you seen this in WLers or just other athletes. I have not seen where the RDL disrupts pulling patterns any more than a back squat does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Mel Siff wrote: > Lately I have been noticing that many athletes who are using > the " Romanian Deadlift " seem to be showing deterioration in the technique > of the Power Clean, Power Snatch and Full Clean, ..... > So far, this based entirely upon my personal observations, so I would > be interested to hear from others may also have observed this trend... In the past, I had relied on one or two partial pulls for my OL/PL athletes to solve movement related issues. It seemed we were constantly battling worsening technique problems. When I started assigning a wide variety of partials, and more technique work with lighter weights, technique improved considerably. So did results. Joe _____________________________________________ Get Your Free Email from http://www.hotml.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:24:01 -0400 >Hopefully I > am not making an error because most of the Canadian coaches > think I am quite wrong and would have me doing pulls with 120% of > my snatch and clean if they had any authority over me. I have no professional, neurological experience (except for speed and strenght training!) but I am always concerned about overloading speed or speed-strength movements. However, it depends on the athlete's sport. When I use, say, power pulls for explosive work with a catcher, speed is compromised (and neurological results are compromised) if there is too much weight. If you are training for OL, then there may be a case for supraoptimal lifts for the strength gains. I just would prefer to that strength work off the platform. Joe _____________________________________________ Get Your Free Email from http://www.hotml.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 One other benefit of the RDL. We've all heard and understand the saying " lift with the legs and not with the back " . Good advice, except during those occasions when this is not possible - i.e. lifting something heavy out of the trunk of a car. The RDL can teach one how to effectively and safely perform this task. How about that for a non-competitive weightlifting application of the RDL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Burkhardt said: >Mel, have you seen this in WLers or just other athletes. I have not seen where the RDL disrupts pulling patterns any more than a back squat does.< I'd like to try and contribute a little bit on this topic with some anecdotal information and a quote. I've had conversations with the top 69 kg lifter in the USA and it is his opinion that doing heavy pulls and deadlifts develop a bad movement pattern and that RDL increase the tension in the hamstrings and increase overall strength without building or interfering with any technical movements. Roman in his text The Training Of The Weightlifter cautions against performing more than a very small amount of pulls with greater than 100% of the clean or snatch, arguing on page 62 that " the lifter who lifts very large weights in pulls not only does not perfect the pull .... but the systematic use of such loads in large quantity forms and strengthens an incorrect habit. The habit then appears at a competition during the lifting of 95 and 100% weights. The opinions of both sources have dissuaded me from including heavy pulls (above 100%) in my training and instead I have included Hamstring Deadlifts/Keystone Deadlifts (with the knees slightly bent but motionless) regularly in my program instead. Hopefully I am not making an error because most of the Canadian coaches think I am quite wrong and would have me doing pulls with 120% of my snatch and clean if they had any authority over me. Thanks Supertraining Group, Shaun Le Conte, 62 kg class lifter http://www3.sympatico.ca/bill.gobits/ _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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