Guest guest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 I titrated per suggestion last night + took Ambien CR for the first time + resumed cal/mag supplement. 6 p.m. 2.5 mg midnight 5 mg 6 a.m. 7.5 mg (on and off sweats during the morning and heavy chest feeling) noon 10 mg (big sweat by 12:40. Heavy feeling in chest/need deep breaths by 1:30 p.m.) I think propranolol increases sweating. Sweating increases the anxiety. Anxiety increases BP. Therefore, I am theorizing that propranolol is not good for me. Heart is not skipping though. I can't go for a walk when I feel this heaviness. Is it safe to just discontinue it or should I taper down? I can usually knock out any heart skips with Ativan if necessary until I get doc to change med. She's out of the office until 4/25 but does get messages. I had a better night. After I got up to take the 6 a.m. dose, I was able to go back to bed for an hour and doze, without anxiety and little sweating. Took 125 mg spiro yesterday. Increased to 150 mg today. So, I got 6 solid hours of sleep instead of 4 or 5. Makes a huge difference. If I could get rid of the chest heaviness, I'd feel almost normal today. I don't know how much difference the Ambien CR made - maybe a lot. Haven't taken any Ativan today. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Val: It's on Labtestsonline. Under CK or CK-MB. It's creatine phosphokinase or creatine kinase, NOT creatinine..sometimes I confuse the spelling, so if I did..sorry. Angie > > > > I titrated per suggestion last night + took Ambien CR for the first > time + > > resumed cal/mag supplement. > > > > 6 p.m. 2.5 mg > > midnight 5 mg > > 6 a.m. 7.5 mg (on and off sweats during the morning and heavy chest > feeling) > > noon 10 mg (big sweat by 12:40. Heavy feeling in chest/need deep > breaths by > > 1:30 p.m.) > > > > I think propranolol increases sweating. Sweating increases the > anxiety. > > Anxiety increases BP. Therefore, I am theorizing that propranolol > is not > > good for me. Heart is not skipping though. I can't go for a walk > when I > > feel this heaviness. > > > > Is it safe to just discontinue it or should I taper down? I can > usually > > knock out any heart skips with Ativan if necessary until I get doc > to change > > med. She's out of the office until 4/25 but does get messages. > > > > I had a better night. After I got up to take the 6 a.m. dose, I > was able to > > go back to bed for an hour and doze, without anxiety and little > sweating. > > > > Took 125 mg spiro yesterday. Increased to 150 mg today. > > > > So, I got 6 solid hours of sleep instead of 4 or 5. Makes a huge > > difference. If I could get rid of the chest heaviness, I'd feel > almost > > normal today. I don't know how much difference the Ambien CR made - > maybe a > > lot. > > > > Haven't taken any Ativan today. > > > > Val > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 When I was diagnosed hypothyroid, my doc said it had been of long enough duration that I had muscle damage (duh!!). How did he determine that? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of aviano237 Val: It's on Labtestsonline. Under CK or CK-MB. It's creatine phosphokinase or creatine kinase, NOT creatinine..sometimes I confuse the spelling, so if I did..sorry. Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Spiro doesn't lower aldo. It may in fact, increase it. It blocks its reception. The weakness you had may have been low K. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of aviano237 Ummmm..could it be that the " false positive " wasn't false at all? and that the weakness, etc. that I experienced, was in fact, provoked, genetically probable PA? I don't remember what my BP's were at the time, darn it. Your article seems somewhat contradictory to the expected, unless the estrogen form is increasing the aldo. At least for me, estradiol increases " the racing " which at this point (further testing required) also correlated with increased aldo/low renin, among other things. Drospirenone SHOULD lower aldo, if acts like spiro, shouldn't it??? Maybe Dr. Grim can weigh in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I think she means CPK. On Apr 20, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Valarie wrote: > I don't really understand CKP testing. I can't find it at > labtestsonline.org > > I've had tightly bound muscles, especially in my calves, for years. > They > seemed to be in a constant state of contraction and pain. I asked my > masseuse to work on one last year. When she felt it, she was amazed > and > made me promise to drink lots of water after. Since being on spiro, > those > muscles have softened up. I'm sure it is the increased K I'm enjoying. > > BTW, my 14 years of misdiagnosed ankylosing spondylitis hell was > based on > one elevated sed rate test. It never came back elevated after the > initial > one. He didn't know what to do so he gave me NSAIDS and disregarded > the > high calcium. > > BTW, my Lyme disease niece, after going to Mayo Phoenix, diagnosed > herself > from the Internet and found a doctor in Colorado Springs to treat > her. I > diagnosed myself from the Internet and then found Dr. Grim. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of aviano237 > Val: > This is just a thought..but weighing in on the " chest heaviness " . > Hard to say if it is the same thing that I experience as the " kicked > in chest feeling " , but sure sounds similar. I keep thinking back to > the first time that I ever experienced it and it was after taking > Yasmin for a couple of weeks. As you may or may not now, Yasmin > contains a spiro cousin (drospirenone) that can cause problems if you > have adrenal disease. I had worked out after taking Yasmin for a > while (doc had told me that he thought I had PCOS due to ration of LH > to FSH) and woke up next am so weak/tired/depressed that I couldn't > lift my head. I called my GP and she ran labs including CKP for some > reason. CKP and muscle enzymes were EXTREMELY elevated. I had not > worked out any harder than usual. She was so concerned about it > (called a rheumy) that she had me come in EVERY day for CKP testing, > sed rate, etc. She advised me to go OFF the Yasmin, which I did and > she called their side effect hotline. Enzymes came down and I was > okay within about a week and a half. > I had that " feeling " again this week and had the elevated BUN/creat > ratio. Have to find out if she did CKP again or lab missed it on > requisition. > Are you absolutely CERTAIN that it isn't the increase in spiro that > caused this? And, do you think it might be helpful to check CPK and > CBC/CMP? Sincerely hope this is helpful and not more confusion, > Angie > > > > > > I titrated per suggestion last night + took Ambien CR for the first > time + > > resumed cal/mag supplement. > > > > 6 p.m. 2.5 mg > > midnight 5 mg > > 6 a.m. 7.5 mg (on and off sweats during the morning and heavy chest > feeling) > > noon 10 mg (big sweat by 12:40. Heavy feeling in chest/need deep > breaths by > > 1:30 p.m.) > > > > I think propranolol increases sweating. Sweating increases the > anxiety. > > Anxiety increases BP. Therefore, I am theorizing that propranolol > is not > > good for me. Heart is not skipping though. I can't go for a walk > when I > > feel this heaviness. > > > > Is it safe to just discontinue it or should I taper down? I can > usually > > knock out any heart skips with Ativan if necessary until I get doc > to change > > med. She's out of the office until 4/25 but does get messages. > > > > I had a better night. After I got up to take the 6 a.m. dose, I > was able to > > go back to bed for an hour and doze, without anxiety and little > sweating. > > > > Took 125 mg spiro yesterday. Increased to 150 mg today. > > > > So, I got 6 solid hours of sleep instead of 4 or 5. Makes a huge > > difference. If I could get rid of the chest heaviness, I'd feel > almost > > normal today. I don't know how much difference the Ambien CR made - > maybe a > > lot. > > > > Haven't taken any Ativan today. > > > > Val > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Good, look for his articles online in the meantime. He is Stanford Sleep Lab's founder, and one of the two founders of sleep medicine woldwide. Valarie wrote: > > I ordered it. Amazon's " one click " shopping could really burn up the $$. > Too easy. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>] On Behalf Of Dave > > Valarie wrote: > > > > Maybe not sleeping for months and > > months causes anxiety. > > > > > --see the overwhelming data both clinical and lab in Wm C Dement's > > book " The Promise of Sleep. " Gads, it could easily explain everything > > - and I do mean everything - you've cited here. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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