RE: Power Training - Dynamic Method and Matt Madsen

[Guest guest]

> Explosive, whole-body movements against resistance may be a good way

> to train, but the Olympic lifts don't seem particularly specific to

> punching, throwing, serving, swinging, etc.

So you're saying the best shot putters, discus and hammer throwers in

the world are waisting their time on the Olympic lifts? That perhaps

they'd be better off throwing medicine balls or performing speed

deadlifts?

Having trained many nationally-ranked throwers, witnessed the

training of many of best throwers in the world, studied articles

about their training and even interviewed top throwing coaches, I

would appreciate it if you would name several elite throwers who do

not use the Olympic lifts.

Thank you,

Kim Goss

[Guest guest]

From: COACHKIMGOSS@...

>Having trained many nationally-ranked throwers, witnessed the

>training of many of best throwers in the world, studied articles

>about their training and even interviewed top throwing coaches, I

>would appreciate it if you would name several elite throwers who do

>not use the Olympic lifts.

There are basically two types of throwers. One who throw large and/or heavy

things and ones who throw small, light things. The former are the ones you

have mentioned (javelin, shot put, etc.); the latter are found in baseball,

fast pitch and football.

OL's for the Olympic throws makes all the sense in the world. The question

on the floor is, since there is little similarity in pitching a baseball and

a snatch, does one use OL's for *these* throwers and why. Where do you

draw the line between specificity and similarity? Are OL's to be used with

light throwers because of the explosive action that, hopefully, will

translate into more explosive throwing (greater velocity and spin)?

Further, if one gets too close to the throwing action with added resistance

(eg. Frappier's bands hooked to the arm and resisting the acceleration in a

baseball pitcher), does this create loss of coordination (neural confusion)?

Joe Alden

Atlanta USA

[Guest guest]

J. Alden wrote...

OL's for the Olympic throws makes all the sense in the world. The question

on the floor is, since there is little similarity in pitching a baseball and

a snatch, does one use OL's for *these* throwers and why.

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I would use OLs for baseball pitching as a means of increasing the leg/hip

actions involved as well as building trunk strength. As you already full

well know Joe, ball velocity is the result of sum of body actions that

precede the release. The leg/hip interaction with the ground is obviously a

big part of that which OLs will probably improve.

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Joe Alden....

Where do you

draw the line between specificity and similarity? Are OL's to be used with

light throwers because of the explosive action that, hopefully, will

translate into more explosive throwing (greater velocity and spin)?

Further, if one gets too close to the throwing action with added resistance

(eg. Frappier's bands hooked to the arm and resisting the acceleration in a

baseball pitcher), does this create loss of coordination (neural confusion)?

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Are you saying Frappier is actually putting resistance against the hand!!??

That might be good if baseballs were 15 pounds!!

Burkhardt

Strength and Conditioning Coach

UC Irvine