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I can imagine how frustrated you are that your ped won't just write

you the prescription. My neurosurgeon was Dr. Neff at St.

's Hospital for Children. I didn't care for him too much

in the personality department, but that wasn't important. What WAS

important is the fact that he wrote us the prescription for both

bands even though he thought neither one of the twins needed to wear

one. He told me he wrote the prescription because he hates to go

against parents wishes. That right there was all I needed to hear to

make me think he is the greatest neuro ever! He has saturday

appointments every other week, and we got to see him within a week

and a half. If you would like, I can look up his phone number for

you, just let me know. The only thing is, he writes prescriptions

for STARbands, but if you have your heart set on the DOCband, then I

would assume (I hope) that they would give you a prescription for it.

Good luck with the EI appointment, I hope Logan qualifies so that you

don't have to worry about insurance with this too! Let us know how

it goes!

Niki

Kaylie & Danny (STAR grads)

Phila., PA

> Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would just

> give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

neurosurgeon

> first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

anti-

> helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because I

> want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

what

> I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band in

> July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

be

> 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

>

> EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> insurance :(

>

> I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night. I

> had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he says

> chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can for

> him, you know?

>

> I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

>

> THanks for listening

>

> -/Logan 5 months

> PA

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It is quite common for pediatricians to refer plagio babies to a

ped.neuro to evaluate the child. After that, the ped. neuro will

give you his/her opinion & advice. The ultimate decision whether or

not to band Logan, should be yours. I hope he'll give you a

prescription for the band w/o any trouble. But again, it is very

common for peds. to refer the child to a specialist first. Do you

already have an appt with the specialist?

I understand how anxious you are to get the process started. But

still at 6 mos., Logan will still be hitting many growth spurts and

will still get good improvement with a DOCband if needed!

I think it's great you'll be taking him to a chiro.! I bet your

husband will agree too after the visit (I think dentists are quacks!

LOL, j/k, but I have a HUGE fear of dentists! HUGE, I break out into

sweats before each cleaning, that's just cleanings!!!! LOL).

I hope you'll qualify for EI.....please let us know how everything

goes. Good luck.

Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad

MI

> Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would just

> give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

neurosurgeon

> first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

anti-

> helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because I

> want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

what

> I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band in

> July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

be

> 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

>

> EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> insurance :(

>

> I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night. I

> had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he says

> chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can for

> him, you know?

>

> I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

>

> THanks for listening

>

> -/Logan 5 months

> PA

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Niki,

Thanks so much for the support. That is great about the neuro. We

are going to one at Temple Childrens. If she doesn't do the script,

maybe I'll have to look up Dr Neff.

-

> > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would

just

> > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> neurosurgeon

> > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

> anti-

> > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because

I

> > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

> what

> > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band

in

> > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

> be

> > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> >

> > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > insurance :(

> >

> > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night.

I

> > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

says

> > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can

for

> > him, you know?

> >

> > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> >

> > THanks for listening

> >

> > -/Logan 5 months

> > PA

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Thanks so much for the kind words debbie! Our neuro appt is this

Thursday. I'll keep you posted! PS, I hate dentists too! LOL

-/Logan 5 months

PA

> > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would

just

> > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> neurosurgeon

> > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

> anti-

> > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because

I

> > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

> what

> > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band

in

> > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

> be

> > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> >

> > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > insurance :(

> >

> > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night.

I

> > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

says

> > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can

for

> > him, you know?

> >

> > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> >

> > THanks for listening

> >

> > -/Logan 5 months

> > PA

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I know exactly how you feel about wanting the process to speed up.

The docs kept telling me to reposition her but wouldnt seem to

understand her neck wouldnt turn that way. Finally at her 4 month

check up the doctor (military so I see different docs every time)

said I think she may have tort. WHich is the first we had ever heard

of it. so she put in a referell to a specialist at Womack then it

took a month to see her so when we finally got there Mya was 5 months

old and she said she has plagio and tort but well do a CT scan to

make sure its not Cranio. SO we had to set an appt for that well by

the time we got that done Mya was almost 7 months old. So then we had

to wait for result. WE called and called and called and couldnt get a

hold of the doctor to translate results. SO I finally called the

advice nurse and said can you tell me what the computer says and

maybe I can figure it out. So the advice nurse read it and she had no

clue but it all made sense to me. It ruled out cranio and confirmed

plagio. So then my husband had to hunt down the doctor to get the

referrel for the evaluation by a craniofacial plastic surgeon. This

doctor we saw is an excellent doctor and was completly for the DOC

band but her contract with the military was up for renewal so she was

so busy and then she refused to come in till the renewed it because

they werent paying her so that was a big ordeal in itself. So we

finally went for the evaluation and then Mya was casted a week later

and finally got in her DOC band when she was 9 months old which I

feel wasted a lot of correction time. But we did all we could and

tried to speed them up to the best of our ability.

Mya also has misaligned ears. We were told at the beginning Mya

would probably require two bands. And we just went for a re eval

Thursday and sure enough she needs a second one. Please be patient I

know that it is hard to do that. Beleive me I know. I mean push them

to move faster but try to stay calm so you dont stress yourself all

out. I dont know much about pediatric chiro but I beleive

chiropractors do work, I was in a car accident back in november and

couldnt move my neck I went to a chiropractor for 8 weeks and after

all the treatment I felt sooo much better.

Let us know how everything goes and good luck. Sorry for my LONG post

Sometimes I start to ramble!

Christi mom to MYA (DOC band 3/6/02)

> Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would just

> give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

neurosurgeon

> first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

anti-

> helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because I

> want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

what

> I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band in

> July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

be

> 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

>

> EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> insurance :(

>

> I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night. I

> had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he says

> chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can for

> him, you know?

>

> I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

>

> THanks for listening

>

> -/Logan 5 months

> PA

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Christi

How did you stay sane!!???? I can't believe you had to wait 5 months

for treatment. I see you totally understand how I feel. I am SO

trying not to stress but it's hard! At night I can't fall asleep

because my mind is racing, thinking about the ped, the script, the

date, Logan's head & ears, finding a PT etc etc. And it's not doing

me any good. It is so good to hear that Mya got results even though

she started at 9 months. Very encouraging! Thanks for posting, this

group is a lifeline!

-/Logan 5 months

PA

> > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would

just

> > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> neurosurgeon

> > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

> anti-

> > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because

I

> > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

> what

> > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band

in

> > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

> be

> > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> >

> > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > insurance :(

> >

> > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night.

I

> > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

says

> > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can

for

> > him, you know?

> >

> > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> >

> > THanks for listening

> >

> > -/Logan 5 months

> > PA

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I know exactly what you mean about your mind racing and thinking

about everything at night when you are supposed to be sleeping! I was

EXACTLY the same way. It was soooo awful. I dont know how you are

about praying. But for me thats what I did every single night when my

mind would start doing all of that racing and worrying and stressing

out about everything. I would say over and over the Lords prayer and

the Hail over and over until Id fall asleep. IT kept me from

thinking about everything and I was able to sleep.

Yes Mya has gotten a lot of correction. I was really worried about

her starting late. But as you probably have already seen a lot of

babies start later and still get great results. I am very hopeful

that Mya will get a lot more correction once she gets her second

band.

Feel free to email me Christiz75@... if you just need to vent

about your worries and concerns. Cause I know its hard!

THis group has been wonderful for me. Everyone has been so nice and

even when I was a basket case and soo anxious about the casting and

then waiting for her band. I wish I had found this site earlier when

I was going through all of the waiting and worrying,

good luck

Christi

> > > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would

> just

> > > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> > neurosurgeon

> > > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind

of

> > anti-

> > > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated

because

> I

> > > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

> > what

> > > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his

band

> in

> > > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August.

He'll

> > be

> > > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> > >

> > > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> > > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > > insurance :(

> > >

> > > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday

night.

> I

> > > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

> says

> > > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> > > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can

> for

> > > him, you know?

> > >

> > > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah

in

> > > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as

possible.

> > > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> > >

> > > THanks for listening

> > >

> > > -/Logan 5 months

> > > PA

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,

I can totally relate. My son is almost 10 months old and still not

in a band due to the " run around " routine. His neurosurgeon

appointment was cancelled by the doctor and should hopefully,

finally, happen on Tuesday (I had to wait over three weeks for the

original one) My ped only sent me to a neuro to humor me. Be have

been trying to do something about his flat head since he was 4 months

old. I still don't have a new ped and am pretty sure the nuero is

going to laugh at me when I bring up band therapy. Let us know how

the appt with the neuro goes and good luck to you!

Kristi

> Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would just

> give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

neurosurgeon

> first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

anti-

> helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because I

> want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

what

> I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band in

> July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

be

> 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

>

> EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> insurance :(

>

> I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night. I

> had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he says

> chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can for

> him, you know?

>

> I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

>

> THanks for listening

>

> -/Logan 5 months

> PA

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Christi,

Yes, prayer has helped. In fact, yesterday Logan got a blessing

after church and I've felt more peaceful now. I had been feeling so

over the edge and out of control, and now I feel more calm. I still

have a goal of getting him in the band by August 4th, (his 6month

bday)..

-/Logan 5 months

PA

> > >

> > > I know exactly how you feel about wanting the process to speed

> up.

> > > The docs kept telling me to reposition her but wouldnt seem to

> > > understand her neck wouldnt turn that way. Finally at her 4

month

> > > check up the doctor (military so I see different docs every

time)

> > > said I think she may have tort. WHich is the first we had ever

> > heard

> > > of it. so she put in a referell to a specialist at Womack then

it

> > > took a month to see her so when we finally got there Mya was 5

> > months

> > > old and she said she has plagio and tort but well do a CT scan

to

> > > make sure its not Cranio. SO we had to set an appt for that

well

> by

> > > the time we got that done Mya was almost 7 months old. So then

we

> > had

> > > to wait for result. WE called and called and called and couldnt

> get

> > a

> > > hold of the doctor to translate results. SO I finally called

the

> > > advice nurse and said can you tell me what the computer says

and

> > > maybe I can figure it out. So the advice nurse read it and she

> had

> > no

> > > clue but it all made sense to me. It ruled out cranio and

> confirmed

> > > plagio. So then my husband had to hunt down the doctor to get

the

> > > referrel for the evaluation by a craniofacial plastic surgeon.

> > This

> > > doctor we saw is an excellent doctor and was completly for the

> DOC

> > > band but her contract with the military was up for renewal so

she

> > was

> > > so busy and then she refused to come in till the renewed it

> because

> > > they werent paying her so that was a big ordeal in itself. So

we

> > > finally went for the evaluation and then Mya was casted a week

> > later

> > > and finally got in her DOC band when she was 9 months old which

I

> > > feel wasted a lot of correction time. But we did all we could

and

> > > tried to speed them up to the best of our ability.

> > > Mya also has misaligned ears. We were told at the beginning

Mya

> > > would probably require two bands. And we just went for a re

eval

> > > Thursday and sure enough she needs a second one. Please be

> patient

> > I

> > > know that it is hard to do that. Beleive me I know. I mean push

> > them

> > > to move faster but try to stay calm so you dont stress yourself

> all

> > > out. I dont know much about pediatric chiro but I beleive

> > > chiropractors do work, I was in a car accident back in november

> and

> > > couldnt move my neck I went to a chiropractor for 8 weeks and

> after

> > > all the treatment I felt sooo much better.

> > > Let us know how everything goes and good luck. Sorry for my

LONG

> > post

> > > Sometimes I start to ramble!

> > > Christi mom to MYA (DOC band 3/6/02)

> > >

> > > --- In Plagiocephaly@y..., " iamaltobum " <iammichelle@e...>

wrote:

> > > > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she

would

> > just

> > > > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> > > neurosurgeon

> > > > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind

> of

> > > anti-

> > > > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated

> because

> > I

> > > > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me

do

> > > what

> > > > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his

> band

> > in

> > > > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August.

> He'll

> > > be

> > > > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> > > >

> > > > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope

we

> > > > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > > > insurance :(

> > > >

> > > > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday

> night.

> > I

> > > > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

> > says

> > > > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read

good

> > > > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I

can

> > for

> > > > him, you know?

> > > >

> > > > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to

Utah

> in

> > > > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as

> possible.

> > > > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > > > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> > > >

> > > > THanks for listening

> > > >

> > > > -/Logan 5 months

> > > > PA

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Kristi,

That is just disgusting. I can't believe the delays the medical

profession is forcing on you. When is your neuro appt??? Mine is

this THursday. I'll tell ya, if it turns out this neuro is anti-band

I think I'll have a meltdown in the office. I wonder if CT would

accept a prescription from a dentist? (only half kidding LOL)

-/Logan 5months

PA

> > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she would

just

> > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> neurosurgeon

> > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems kind of

> anti-

> > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated because

I

> > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let me do

> what

> > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his band

in

> > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August. He'll

> be

> > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> >

> > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope we

> > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > insurance :(

> >

> > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday night.

I

> > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him, he

says

> > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read good

> > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I can

for

> > him, you know?

> >

> > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to Utah in

> > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as possible.

> > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his poor

> > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> >

> > THanks for listening

> >

> > -/Logan 5 months

> > PA

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Ill keep Logan in my prayers that he gets his band by 6 months

Christi-

-- In Plagiocephaly@y..., " iamaltobum " <iammichelle@e...> wrote:

> Christi,

>

> Yes, prayer has helped. In fact, yesterday Logan got a blessing

> after church and I've felt more peaceful now. I had been feeling

so

> over the edge and out of control, and now I feel more calm. I

still

> have a goal of getting him in the band by August 4th, (his 6month

> bday)..

>

> -/Logan 5 months

> PA

>

>

> > > > > Well, my ped finally got off vacation. I was hoping she

> would

> > > just

> > > > > give me the prescription but NO. She wants me to go to a

> > > > neurosurgeon

> > > > > first. Which is going to waste ANOTHER week! She seems

kind

> > of

> > > > anti-

> > > > > helmet. I just see time ticking by! I am so frustrated

> > because

> > > I

> > > > > want MY SON to be in a DOC band. Why won't these docs let

me

> do

> > > > what

> > > > > I know is best?? I was really hoping Logan would be in his

> > band

> > > in

> > > > > July, but now I'll be surprised if we get it early August.

> > He'll

> > > > be

> > > > > 6 months by then! I was crying all day yesterday.

> > > > >

> > > > > EI is coming to evaluate Logan on Wednesday. I REALLY hope

> we

> > > > > qualilfy. It seems the PT places I've called won't take my

> > > > > insurance :(

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have an appt with a pediatric chiropractor Monday

> > night.

> > > I

> > > > > had to BEG dh to come. At first he forbid me to take him,

he

> > > says

> > > > > chiros are quacks (dh is a dental student.) But I've read

> good

> > > > > things about tort and chiros and I want to do EVERYTHING I

> can

> > > for

> > > > > him, you know?

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel so helpless as each day goes by. We are moving to

> Utah

> > in

> > > > > October so I want to get as much done at the NJ CT as

> > possible.

> > > > > Charlotte said Logan may need a 2nd band. I look at his

poor

> > > > > misaligned ears and I want him in a band NOW!!

> > > > >

> > > > > THanks for listening

> > > > >

> > > > > -/Logan 5 months

> > > > > PA

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In a message dated 7/14/2002 5:44:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iammichelle@... writes:

At night I can't fall asleep

because my mind is racing, thinking about the ped, the script, the

date, Logan's head & ears, finding a PT etc etc.

,

I soooo remember the nights I had like this! It was absolute agony to be so utterly helpless. Try to stay focused on what you can do at home, stretching if its tort, repositioning off the flat spot, encourage tummy time, less time on the back of the head in swings, carseats, etc. Continuing to do these things will help, and push for that specialist hard, don't take no for an answer, they are working for you, not against you, and remind them of that if you have to!

' Mom

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But for me thats what I did every single night when

my

> mind would start doing all of that racing and worrying and

stressing

> out about everything. I would say over and over the Lords prayer

and

> the Hail over and over until Id fall asleep

I also prayed- even had the Virgin picture above his at work looking

down on him- I know God carried me through a couple of nights!

' Mom

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