Re: Digest Number 254

June 8, 1999

Do you have a copy of Randall Neustaedter's, OMD book, The Vaccine Guide:

Making an Informed Choice? The section on HIB is very informative. At the end

of the chapter he summarizes and suggests that this relatively new and

untested vaccine presents the toughest question for parents.

He says, and I quote, " One issue remains clear: if a child stays home with a

parent in the first 12 to 18 months of life, when Hib disease occurs most

often, then the likelihood of exposure decreases dramatically compared to a

child who attends a large day care center. "

Also, he points out that " parents should weigh the likelihood of exposure

against their feelings about the known adverse effects of Hib vaccine,

including the ability of the vaccine to suppress immune system function and

cause an increased susceptibility to Hib desease. "

He also writes that " new vaccines are always experiments, The inflated claims

and hyperbolic enthusiasm that accompany a marketing campaign should not lull

parents into consenting to a risky experiment on their child. "

He gives a substantial amount of info. pertaining to tetanus as well, however

he says that " children under two years old are not at risk of contracting

tetanus. " He goes on to say that wound care and proper cleansing is

imperative.

Perhaps this will help. The Vaccine Guide is a wonderful resource.

Love - Joan

June 8, 1999

I would also like to hear more about the HIB vaccine. A pediatrican here in San

who also practices Aruvedic medicine said he highly suggested that I

immunize for HIB influenza. Any thoughts would be great.

Vicky, mother of six month old Dante

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> 1. News Article

> From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...>

> 2. Re: milk supply

> From: Potts <niccolle68@...>

> 3. Educators puzzled over rise in number of autistic students

> From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...>

> 4. Re: (risk in public places)

> From: " Queen Earth " <queenearth@...>

> 5. Re: Soymilk is not really " milk "

> From: " Tom Balut " <balut@...>

> 6. HIB

> From: " Tom Balut " <balut@...>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:43:48 -0600

> From: " Mom2Q " <mom2q@...>

> Subject: News Article

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> by Simon Chapman

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> Sub heading: Anti-immunisation groups are a greater threat to public health

> than vaccination ever could be.

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> The UN's World Health Assembly declared the world free of smallpox on May 8,

> 1980, after a 10-year mass vaccination campaign, described by the World

> Federation of Public Health Associations as " among the greatest public

> health achievements of all time. " At the start of the campaign between 10

> million and 15 million people in 33 countries were stricken annually with

> the hideous disease. Two million died each year.

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> Polio, the limb-wasting and often fatal disease that put thousands into iron

> lungs and filled hospital wards with its mostly young victims, is also well

> on the way to begin glabally eradicated, again thanks to mass immunisation.

>

> Anti-vaccination groups counter that these diseases were declining before

> mass vaccination, and that such factors as better sanitation and nutrition

> were responsible. But the recent success of the new children's Haemophilus

> Influenzea b (Hib) vaccine, which between 1993 and 1999 reduced this

> sometimes fatal childhood illness in Australian from 500 annual cases to

> less than 30 , is rather inconvenient for their argument - living standards

> and sanitation haven't changed since 1993, so vaccination looks like the

> obvious explanation.

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> In the face of such achievements, the activities of anti-immunisation groups

> are about as responsibile as calling " fire " in a crowded hall. The

> Australian Vaccination Network Web site declares solemnly: " The AVN is for

> free choice - not anti=vaccination. " But commenting recently on research

> that found 25 per ent of parents refused consent for their kids being

> vaccinated, their newsletter boasted: " The AVN can be very proud of our

> efforst in this campaign and the resulting low levels of vaccination. "

>

> Self-styled as heroic voices in a truth wilderness, struggling Galileo-like

> against the dogmatic church of modern medicine, their web site cites the

> philosopher Schopenhauer, reminding the faithful that " all truth goes

> through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed.

> Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. "

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> The lineage of today's anti-immunisation movement can e traced to the 19th

> century, when in 1874 the National Anti-Compulsory Vaccination League was

> formed in Britain. There is a fascinating continuty between n

> anti-immunisationists and those pumping out the same quackpottery today.

> Several themes recur:

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> Vaccines are unnatural witches' brews, cooked up in pharmaceutical company

> covens. Injecting them into the pristine skins of little babies defiles

> natural, ascetic laws that dictate we should all grow stronger from

> acquiring natural immunity after being exposed to these diseases. So let's

> all lock jaw for a few weeks and share a mild bout of tetanus;

>

> There is a mutually rewarding conspiracy between vaccine companies, the

> medical profession and governments to cover up the awful truth about

> vaccines being both dangerous and useless;

>

> Vaccines explain the existence of virtually any mystery illness or

> anti-social behaviour. One local champion, Viera Scheibner, has made

> herself available to defendants in shaken baby cases, promoting the idea

> that the babies' [sic] injuries are caused not by domestic violence but

> by...you guessed it;

>

> Anything occurring after the vaccination occurs because of vaccination.

> When an 80-year-old dies two weeks after a flu jab, this is further grist to

> the mill rather than evidence of something more obvious - that octogenarians

> die more often than young people.

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> Sydney University's Professor Margaret Burbess argues that, by this logic,

> birthday parties could be declared toxic: " With each child having a birthday

> each year, it's virtually guaranteed that there will be a few cases of

> birthday party attendance followed by first diagnosis of autism " (one of the

> needle-knockers' main preoccupations.} Anti-vaccinationists claim

> " hundreds " of British children acquired autism and intestinal disorders

> following a measles, mumps, and rubella campaign in 1994. In fact, the

> Lancet report from which these claims derived showed there were 12 cases of

> children with bowel abnormalities, of whom nine also had autism, which

> became apparent two months after vaccination. These cases were recorded

> over eight years.

>

> But consider this: 600,000 children are vaccinated for MMR each year in

> Britain in the second and third years of life. The annual incidence of

> autism is 61/100,000 children. This means that the expected incidence of

> autism in the vaccinated children by chance alone would be 364. This is a

> mere 4000 per cent higher than the nine cases recorded. It would be more

> logical to argue that MMR vaccine protected against autism, rather than

> caused it. Don't bother to hold your breath.

>

> Eight per cent of parents who don't fully immunise their children say they

> don't believe in vaccination or are worried about side effects. With about

> 30 per cent of kids under two not being fully immunised, this means there's

> a big pool of children susceptible to diseases that they can pass on to

> others. Nine Australian children died of whooping cough in 1996-97.

>

> Anti-immunisationists are a deadly serious problem.

>

> Simon Chapman is associate professor in public health and community medicine

> at the University of Sydney.

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> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:47:17 CDT

> From: Potts <niccolle68@...>

> Subject: Re: milk supply

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> Hi! I know this is of the topic of vaccinations, but I will make it short.

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> I attempted relactation 3 months after I stopped BFing my son. I saw a

> lactaction counselor who recommended I take the herbs Alfalfa and Fenugreek.

> Fenugreek can sometimes HELP you get milk and the Alfalfa can INCREASE it.

> (Fenugreek also has some side effects, stomach ache and breast

> enlargement.) Alfalfa is healthful even if you are not attempting to

> relactate.

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> Relactation did not work for me, as my son refused to nurse at the breast

> after 3 months went by. But I did produce small amounts of milk, 2-3 oz at

> a pumping session.

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> I wish the best of luck in relactation! I know it is hard!

>

> P.

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> From: " The Tobins " <tobin@...>

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> Subject: Re: milk supply

> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 19:40:02 -0500

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> From: " The Tobins " <tobin@...>

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> The woman at my health food store sold me some natural tea from Traditional

> Medicinals called Mother's Milk herb tea to increase milk suplly but so far

> have had no problems. Some times i feel like a surplus for milk :>)

>

> Dawn

> HIB

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> Hi all,

>

> I've not heard you all talk about the HIB Vaccination. My dd is 11 months old

and that was the one I did allow her to have. She has had 2 shots and I think a

third is due. In doing my research this seemed to be the least harmful. My

reseach has a long way to go I realize and now I wonder about this past

decision. I almost feel as if I chose one to pacify my doctor, although she has

been pretty good about respecting by decisions. Any thoughts.

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> Have anyone done selective vaccations, if so which ones?

>

> Thanks

>

> Celeste

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June 8, 1999

TO:Mom2Q

Can you provide us with a way to contact Mr. Simon Chapman, the author of the

article you forwarded us? My husband and I would like to respond to his harsh

article.

Thank you,

Vicky and , parents of Dante, 6mos.