Guest guest Posted October 14, 2000 Report Share Posted October 14, 2000 Diego: Your recent post was excellent. Too often, many scientists and health professionals do not listen to the anecdotal experiences of their patients and of people in general. They discount such experiences because it contradicts what they've been taught or what they've read in research. I also think it has something to do with ego; many scientists/health professionals (just like most people) do not want to admit they might be wrong about something or even acknowledge the possibility of being wrong. Thus, they will turn a blind eye to people's experiences and keep preaching what they've always preached. You are also correct in your comments about research. Results of research are simply based on probabilities. Researchers are trying to take a sample of a population and then make some type of inference about that population. They report the probability of whether the differences they observe in their samples are due to random sampling variation. That is all. Just because a difference is not statistically significant doesn't mean there was no difference. It just means that the probability that the results were due to random sampling variation is too high to call it significant. In all research the magical value is 0.05 (which was established from quality control research...not science as you or I may think of it). So if we get a value of 0.08 or 0.11, or better yet 0.054, we can't say there was a treatment effect. But obviously, there very well may have been. It only means now that there is an 8% chance or an 11% chance or a 5.4% chance that the difference we observed was due to random sampling variation and not due to the treatment. This is why it is critical that researchers report their P values, so that people can draw their own conclusions about the results of a study. But how many studies do you read where they report the P value for their nonsignificant results? Very few. And how many studies report the confidence intervals, which tell you much more than the P values do (such as how reliable the conclusions are)? Again, very few. With a lot of research, you also have the issue of the Type II error, which is where researchers conclude their was no treatment effect when there really was. Sample size is one factor that plays a role in this. Freiman et al. (1978) determined that out of 71 randomized controlled trials which reported no effect of treatment, 67 of the trials had greater than a 10% risk of missing a true 25% therapeutic improvement, and 50 of the trials could have missed a 50% improvement. Many of these studies had inadequate sample sizes to adequately test their hypotheses. Again, this is why it is important for researchers to give confidence intervals so you can see how reliable their data is. How many researchers also report the statistical power of their study (i.e., the chances of having a type II error)? Again, very few. I think it is important for people to be open minded and listen to the anecdotal experiences of others. If enough people are reporting positive experiences with ketogenic diets, then maybe some of the scientists and health professionals are wrong. Maybe these professionals need to take a closer look at the research on which their popular opinions are based. Maybe the research is flawed. Almost every study has some type of flaw (if not numerous flaws) in it. Maybe the way professionals are interpreting the existing research is flawed. Much of the dietary recommendations by health professionals are based off of epidemiological research. But interpretations from epidemiological research alone is problematic. For example, the 7-countries study was a famous epidemiological study on which the recommendation of a high-carb, low-fat diet is based. However, controlled trials have not been able to support this study. What a lot of people don't know is that, as one increases their carb intake and reduces their fat intake at the same time, HDL concentrations decrease, and an extremely significant inverse correlation between HDL concentrations and heart disease risk has been established in the literature. Again, Diego, that was an excellent post and thanks for taking the time to present your opinion on this issue. Krieger Graduate student, exercise science Washington State University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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