Re: Bulk Suppliments - WAS Re: Joints and Popular curry spice is a brain booster

August 10, 2006

And how do you travel by plane with powders? Internationally? I ask because

this is a problem I'm faced with. I can encapsulate everything but taking an

actual bottle of each thing I take is way too much stuff. Travel agents try

to say that all prescriptions and supplements need to be in their original

containers and buying by the kilo creates *large* containers.

-

Steve

On Thursday 10 August 2006 10:49 am, Dave Narby wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> I agree with you that bulk is the way to go, some of these regimens

> aren't affordable any other way. Who do you use for bulk purchases?

>

> Best,

>

> Dave

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Hi:

> >

> > If you ever have to take large quantities of such a substance like

> > MSM you should consider buying it by the kilo from a wholesale

> > company. Herbal extracts that cost $100/kilo in 5 kilo quantities,

> > for example, at the supplement store cost nearly $1 per 100mg tablet

> > or capsule. At that price 5 kilos, instead of $500, would cost you

> > $50,000, so even if you only need a kilo or less, it is far cheaper

> > to buy the 5 kilos wholesale, typically the minimum quantity for

> > herbal extracts. For another few hundred dollars, you can send the 5

> > kilos out to be encapsulated - a bit higher for vegetarian capsules

> > and higher for tabletization.

> >

> > I wonder if huge quantities of MSM would help my neck. I've got an

> > old injury there from a car accident and they want to do surgery on

> > it. MSM+Glucosamine+Chondroitin have kept the symptoms down ( a few

> > tablets a day + EmergenC with those additives) for the past 10 years,

> > but now they are creeping back, so maybe I should take huge quantities?

> >

> > At 01:24 PM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > >If you are not Lactose Intolerant, try adding MicroLactin to this mix.

> > >Also, a Liquid Colloidal Mineral of trace elements would be good.

> > >

> > >My experience is that if a little has no benefit, double the dose till

> > >you get better,

> > >then cut back after it all clears up. I had a terrible ski accident 30

> > >years ago that

> > >twisted my knee completely around almost backwards. Micro surgery was

> > > not an option then. They told me that I had 30 days to either have open

> > > surgery or

> > >else it would be too late. The downside was that a large percentage

> > >having the

> > >surgery never would walk again. I opted to miss this wonderful chance

> > > and eventually, thru plenty of exercise, got back to about 80%

> > > function.

> > >

> > >When I turned 50, I had to be fitted for a steel knee brace. After

> >

> > doing a

> >

> > >protocol of huge amounts of MSM (1/2 cup/day?) and the Organic Sulfates.

> > >I took most of what is listed below, at some point, but in capsule

> > >quantities.

> > >When I reached the correct amount, I threw away the brace and today I

> >

> > play

> >

> > >tennis, totally pain free, at 64. A great complement to this success

> > >was that

> > >every other pain site cleared up. I had lived with congenital arthritis

> > >pain in

> > >the hip from as early as I could remember and it no longer exists

> > > either.

> > >

> > >This stuff really works! Liquid as recommended below is probably

> >

> > better in

> >

> > >all cases, but it does add cost. In the quantities that I was taking,

> > >you would

> > >have to re-mortgage your house. The only problem that I ever noticed was

> > >that huge amounts of the sulfates can sometimes cause some heartburn on

> > >an empty stomach. Fresh pineapple can counter that. and the bromelain

> > >adds a nice touch.

> > >

> > ><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@...

> >

> > <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> > > > The Turmeric is probably useful for joints, however the best stuff I

> > > > found, which works and works rapidly, unlike all the Glucosamine,

> > > > Chondroitin & MSM* *tablets I tried, is :

> > > >

> > > > *Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM Complex Liquid* /004781

> > > >

> > > > /at

> >

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> >

> > > > I have a suspicion that the Cherry Fruit Concentrate in it maybe a

> > > > key factor, given recent research with Cherry Juice in reducing

> > > > muscle inflammation, post-training.

> > > >

> > > > Label:

> > > >

> > > > Liquid Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM is

> > > > an advanced nutraceutical formula designed

> > > > to be easily assimilated and digested into

> > > > your system. It contains a comprehensive

> > > > blend of nutrients which help maintain

> > > > healthy joints and support an active lifestyle.

> > > >

> > > > Each tablespoon (15ml) contains: %EC RDA*

> > > > Vitamin C 500mg 833%

> > > > Zinc 0.46mg 3%

> > > > Boron 2.4?g **

> > > > Cetyl Myristoleate 25mg **

> > > > Cherry Fruit Concentrate 25mg **

> > > > Evening Primrose Oil 50mg **

> > > > Chondroitin Sulphate 150mg **

> > > > Glucosamine Sulphate KCl 500mg **

> > > > Manganese 140?g **

> > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM) 750mg **

> > > > Shark Cartilage 50mg **

> > > > *RDA=Recommended Daily Allowance

> > > > **No RDA established

> > > >

> > > > Directions: Shake well before using. Take one

> > > > tablespoon daily, preferably with a meal. Do not

> > > > exceed stated dose.

> > > >

> > > > Ingredients: Purified Water, Glycerine,

> > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM), Fructose,

> > > > Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid), Glucosamine

> > > > Sulphate KCl, Chondroitin Sulphate, Flavourings,

> > > > Cetyl Myristoleate, Bulking Agent (Xanthan

> > > > Gum), Shark Cartilage, Evening Primrose Oil,

> > > > Preservatives (Potassium Sorbate, Sodium

> > > > Benzoate), Cherry Fruit Concentrate, Emu Oil,

> > > > Citric Acid, Dead Sea Minerals, Emulsifier

> > > > (Polysorbate 80), Zinc Citrate, Manganese

> > > > Aspartate, Boron Citrate

> > > >

> > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > > Hi:

> > > > >

> > > > > Did it help your knees?

> > > > >

> > > > > At 06:28 AM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >> I have some Turmeric capsules and the ground spice, for when my

> >

> > knees

> >

> > > > >> are act, apparently it helps protect joins, anyhow it isn't

> >

> > hot, just a

> >

> > > > >> different tasting spice, so should be tolerable.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Brown wrote:

> > > > >>> Hi:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Hooray for Curry! I love it, but if you don't like its taste

> >

> > you can

> >

> > > > >>> get it

> >

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> >

> > > > >>> in capsules too!

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> At 10:13 AM 8/4/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >>>> Popular curry spice is a brain booster

> > > > >>>> a.. 04 August 2006

> >

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> >

> > > > >>>> Call it yellow ginger, haldi, turmeric or E100, the yellow

> >

> > root of

> >

> > > > >>>> Curcuma longa, a staple ingredient in curry, is turning out to

> > > > >>>> be gratifyingly healthy. Now Tze-Pin Ng and colleagues at the

> >

> > National

> >

> > > > >>>> University of Singapore have discovered that curry eating

> >

> > seems to

> >

> > > > >>>> boost brain power in elderly people.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Curcumin, a constituent of turmeric, is an antioxidant, and

> >

> > reports

> >

> > > > >>>> have suggested that it inhibits the build-up of amyloid

> >

> > plaques in

> >

> > > > >>>> people with Alzheimer's. Ng's team looked at the curry-eating

> >

> > habits

> >

> > > > >>>> of 1010 Asian people unaffected by Alzheimer's and aged

> >

> > between 60

> >

> > > > >>>> and 93, and compared their performance in a standard test of

> > > > >>>> cognitive function, the Mini Mental State Examination. Those

> >

> > people

> >

> > > > >>>> who consumed curry " occasionally " (once or more in 6 months

> >

> > but less

> >

> > > > >>>> than once a month) and " often " (more than once a month) had

> >

> > better

> >

> > > > >>>> MMSE results than those who only ate curry " never or rarely "

> > > > >>>> (American Journal of Epidemiology, DOI: 10.1093/aje/kwj267).

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> " What is remarkable is that apparently one needs only to consume

> > > > >>>> curry once in a while for the better cognitive performance to be

> > > > >>>> evidenced, " says Ng, who says he wants to confirm the results,

> > > > >>>> possibly in a controlled clinical trial comparing curcumin and a

> > > >

> > > > placebo.

> > >

August 11, 2006

Hi:

I travel internationally and domestically all the time. I prepare

zip-lock bags, one per meal for the entire time I'll be gone, each

with the big handful of supplements that I take. I just mark them

with the time of day by using different colored EmergenC packs as

identifiers inside the bags. I've travelled many times and never any

problems. I even take syringes and hgh. I don't carry prescriptions

either. I put most everything in the checked luggage. I might carry

a couple of vitamin packets in my laptop case on board.

If I had to bring the bottles of each, I'd need another suitcase just

for the vitamins. I unusually don't have time to take vitamins that

way when I'm attending meetings and conferences, opening each bottle

and deciding which to take when, etc. The pre-allocated bags work great.

At 01:31 PM 8/10/2006, you wrote:

>And how do you travel by plane with powders? Internationally? I ask because

>this is a problem I'm faced with. I can encapsulate everything but taking an

>actual bottle of each thing I take is way too much stuff. Travel agents try

>to say that all prescriptions and supplements need to be in their original

>containers and buying by the kilo creates *large* containers.

>

>-

>

>Steve

>

>On Thursday 10 August 2006 10:49 am, Dave Narby wrote:

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I agree with you that bulk is the way to go, some of these regimens

> > aren't affordable any other way. Who do you use for bulk purchases?

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Dave

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > If you ever have to take large quantities of such a substance like

> > > MSM you should consider buying it by the kilo from a wholesale

> > > company. Herbal extracts that cost $100/kilo in 5 kilo quantities,

> > > for example, at the supplement store cost nearly $1 per 100mg tablet

> > > or capsule. At that price 5 kilos, instead of $500, would cost you

> > > $50,000, so even if you only need a kilo or less, it is far cheaper

> > > to buy the 5 kilos wholesale, typically the minimum quantity for

> > > herbal extracts. For another few hundred dollars, you can send the 5

> > > kilos out to be encapsulated - a bit higher for vegetarian capsules

> > > and higher for tabletization.

> > >

> > > I wonder if huge quantities of MSM would help my neck. I've got an

> > > old injury there from a car accident and they want to do surgery on

> > > it. MSM+Glucosamine+Chondroitin have kept the symptoms down ( a few

> > > tablets a day + EmergenC with those additives) for the past 10 years,

> > > but now they are creeping back, so maybe I should take huge quantities?

> > >

> > > At 01:24 PM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > > >If you are not Lactose Intolerant, try adding MicroLactin to this mix.

> > > >Also, a Liquid Colloidal Mineral of trace elements would be good.

> > > >

> > > >My experience is that if a little has no benefit, double the dose till

> > > >you get better,

> > > >then cut back after it all clears up. I had a terrible ski accident 30

> > > >years ago that

> > > >twisted my knee completely around almost backwards. Micro surgery was

> > > > not an option then. They told me that I had 30 days to either have open

> > > > surgery or

> > > >else it would be too late. The downside was that a large percentage

> > > >having the

> > > >surgery never would walk again. I opted to miss this wonderful chance

> > > > and eventually, thru plenty of exercise, got back to about 80%

> > > > function.

> > > >

> > > >When I turned 50, I had to be fitted for a steel knee brace. After

> > >

> > > doing a

> > >

> > > >protocol of huge amounts of MSM (1/2 cup/day?) and the Organic Sulfates.

> > > >I took most of what is listed below, at some point, but in capsule

> > > >quantities.

> > > >When I reached the correct amount, I threw away the brace and today I

> > >

> > > play

> > >

> > > >tennis, totally pain free, at 64. A great complement to this success

> > > >was that

> > > >every other pain site cleared up. I had lived with congenital arthritis

> > > >pain in

> > > >the hip from as early as I could remember and it no longer exists

> > > > either.

> > > >

> > > >This stuff really works! Liquid as recommended below is probably

> > >

> > > better in

> > >

> > > >all cases, but it does add cost. In the quantities that I was taking,

> > > >you would

> > > >have to re-mortgage your house. The only problem that I ever noticed was

> > > >that huge amounts of the sulfates can sometimes cause some heartburn on

> > > >an empty stomach. Fresh pineapple can counter that. and the bromelain

> > > >adds a nice touch.

> > > >

> > > ><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@...

> > >

> > > <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> > > > > The Turmeric is probably useful for joints, however the best stuff I

> > > > > found, which works and works rapidly, unlike all the Glucosamine,

> > > > > Chondroitin & MSM* *tablets I tried, is :

> > > > >

> > > > > *Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM Complex Liquid* /004781

> > > > >

> > > > > /at

> > >

>

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> > > > > I have a suspicion that the Cherry Fruit Concentrate in it maybe a

> > > > > key factor, given recent research with Cherry Juice in reducing

> > > > > muscle inflammation, post-training.

> > > > >

> > > > > Label:

> > > > >

> > > > > Liquid Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM is

> > > > > an advanced nutraceutical formula designed

> > > > > to be easily assimilated and digested into

> > > > > your system. It contains a comprehensive

> > > > > blend of nutrients which help maintain

> > > > > healthy joints and support an active lifestyle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Each tablespoon (15ml) contains: %EC RDA*

> > > > > Vitamin C 500mg 833%

> > > > > Zinc 0.46mg 3%

> > > > > Boron 2.4?g **

> > > > > Cetyl Myristoleate 25mg **

> > > > > Cherry Fruit Concentrate 25mg **

> > > > > Evening Primrose Oil 50mg **

> > > > > Chondroitin Sulphate 150mg **

> > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate KCl 500mg **

> > > > > Manganese 140?g **

> > > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM) 750mg **

> > > > > Shark Cartilage 50mg **

> > > > > *RDA=Recommended Daily Allowance

> > > > > **No RDA established

> > > > >

> > > > > Directions: Shake well before using. Take one

> > > > > tablespoon daily, preferably with a meal. Do not

> > > > > exceed stated dose.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ingredients: Purified Water, Glycerine,

> > > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM), Fructose,

> > > > > Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid), Glucosamine

> > > > > Sulphate KCl, Chondroitin Sulphate, Flavourings,

> > > > > Cetyl Myristoleate, Bulking Agent (Xanthan

> > > > > Gum), Shark Cartilage, Evening Primrose Oil,

> > > > > Preservatives (Potassium Sorbate, Sodium

> > > > > Benzoate), Cherry Fruit Concentrate, Emu Oil,

> > > > > Citric Acid, Dead Sea Minerals, Emulsifier

> > > > > (Polysorbate 80), Zinc Citrate, Manganese

> > > > > Aspartate, Boron Citrate

> > > > >

> > > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > > > Hi:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did it help your knees?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 06:28 AM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > >> I have some Turmeric capsules and the ground spice, for when my

> > >

> > > knees

> > >

> > > > > >> are act, apparently it helps protect joins, anyhow it isn't

> > >

> > > hot, just a

> > >

> > > > > >> different tasting spice, so should be tolerable.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Brown wrote:

> > > > > >>> Hi:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Hooray for Curry! I love it, but if you don't like its taste

> > >

> > > you can

> > >

> > > > > >>> get it

> > >

>

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> > >

> > > > > >>> in capsules too!

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> At 10:13 AM 8/4/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > >>>> Popular curry spice is a brain booster

> > > > > >>>> a.. 04 August 2006

> > >

>

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> > >

> > > > > >>>> Call it yellow ginger, haldi, turmeric or E100, the yellow

> > >

> > > root of

> > >

> > > > > >>>> Curcuma longa, a staple ingredient in curry, is turning out to

> > > > > >>>> be gratifyingly healthy. Now Tze-Pin Ng and colleagues at the

> > >

> > > National

> > >

> > > > > >>>> University of Singapore have discovered that curry eating

> > >

> > > seems to

> > >

> > > > > >>>> boost brain power in elderly people.

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Curcumin, a constituent of turmeric, is an antioxidant, and

> > >

> > > reports

> > >

> > > > > >>>> have suggested that it inhibits the build-up of amyloid

> > >

> > > plaques in

> > >

> > > > > >>>> people with Alzheimer's. Ng's team looked at the curry-eating

> > >

> > > habits

> > >

> > > > > >>>> of 1010 Asian people unaffected by Alzheimer's and aged

> > >

> > > between 60

> > >

> > > > > >>>> and 93, and compared their performance in a standard test of

> > > > > >>>> cognitive function, the Mini Mental State Examination. Those

> > >

> > > people

> > >

> > > > > >>>> who consumed curry " occasionally " (once or more in 6 months

> > >

> > > but less

> > >

> > > > > >>>> than once a month) and " often " (more than once a month) had

> > >

> > > better

> > >

> > > > > >>>> MMSE results than those who only ate curry " never or rarely "

> > > > > >>>> (American Journal of Epidemiology, DOI: 10.1093/aje/kwj267).

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> " What is remarkable is that apparently one needs only to consume

> > > > > >>>> curry once in a while for the better cognitive performance to be

> > > > > >>>> evidenced, " says Ng, who says he wants to confirm the results,

> > > > > >>>> possibly in a controlled clinical trial comparing curcumin and a

> > > > >

> > > > > placebo.

> > > >

August 11, 2006

This, of course, could have changed as of yesterday.

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> I travel internationally and domestically all the time. I prepare

> zip-lock bags, one per meal for the entire time I'll be gone, each

> with the big handful of supplements that I take. I just mark them

> with the time of day by using different colored EmergenC packs as

> identifiers inside the bags. I've travelled many times and never any

> problems. I even take syringes and hgh. I don't carry prescriptions

> either. I put most everything in the checked luggage. I might carry

> a couple of vitamin packets in my laptop case on board.

>

> If I had to bring the bottles of each, I'd need another suitcase just

> for the vitamins. I unusually don't have time to take vitamins that

> way when I'm attending meetings and conferences, opening each bottle

> and deciding which to take when, etc. The pre-allocated bags work great.

>

> At 01:31 PM 8/10/2006, you wrote:

>

> >And how do you travel by plane with powders? Internationally? I ask

> because

> >this is a problem I'm faced with. I can encapsulate everything but

> taking an

> >actual bottle of each thing I take is way too much stuff. Travel

> agents try

> >to say that all prescriptions and supplements need to be in their

> original

> >containers and buying by the kilo creates *large* containers.

> >

> >-

> >

> >Steve

> >

> >On Thursday 10 August 2006 10:49 am, Dave Narby wrote:

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > I agree with you that bulk is the way to go, some of these regimens

> > > aren't affordable any other way. Who do you use for bulk purchases?

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

> > > Brown wrote:

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > If you ever have to take large quantities of such a substance like

> > > > MSM you should consider buying it by the kilo from a wholesale

> > > > company. Herbal extracts that cost $100/kilo in 5 kilo quantities,

> > > > for example, at the supplement store cost nearly $1 per 100mg tablet

> > > > or capsule. At that price 5 kilos, instead of $500, would cost you

> > > > $50,000, so even if you only need a kilo or less, it is far cheaper

> > > > to buy the 5 kilos wholesale, typically the minimum quantity for

> > > > herbal extracts. For another few hundred dollars, you can send the 5

> > > > kilos out to be encapsulated - a bit higher for vegetarian capsules

> > > > and higher for tabletization.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if huge quantities of MSM would help my neck. I've got an

> > > > old injury there from a car accident and they want to do surgery on

> > > > it. MSM+Glucosamine+Chondroitin have kept the symptoms down ( a few

> > > > tablets a day + EmergenC with those additives) for the past 10

> years,

> > > > but now they are creeping back, so maybe I should take huge

> quantities?

> > > >

> > > > At 01:24 PM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >If you are not Lactose Intolerant, try adding MicroLactin to

> this mix.

> > > > >Also, a Liquid Colloidal Mineral of trace elements would be good.

> > > > >

> > > > >My experience is that if a little has no benefit, double the

> dose till

> > > > >you get better,

> > > > >then cut back after it all clears up. I had a terrible ski

> accident 30

> > > > >years ago that

> > > > >twisted my knee completely around almost backwards. Micro

> surgery was

> > > > > not an option then. They told me that I had 30 days to either

> have open

> > > > > surgery or

> > > > >else it would be too late. The downside was that a large percentage

> > > > >having the

> > > > >surgery never would walk again. I opted to miss this wonderful

> chance

> > > > > and eventually, thru plenty of exercise, got back to about 80%

> > > > > function.

> > > > >

> > > > >When I turned 50, I had to be fitted for a steel knee brace. After

> > > >

> > > > doing a

> > > >

> > > > >protocol of huge amounts of MSM (1/2 cup/day?) and the Organic

> Sulfates.

> > > > >I took most of what is listed below, at some point, but in capsule

> > > > >quantities.

> > > > >When I reached the correct amount, I threw away the brace and

> today I

> > > >

> > > > play

> > > >

> > > > >tennis, totally pain free, at 64. A great complement to this

> success

> > > > >was that

> > > > >every other pain site cleared up. I had lived with congenital

> arthritis

> > > > >pain in

> > > > >the hip from as early as I could remember and it no longer exists

> > > > > either.

> > > > >

> > > > >This stuff really works! Liquid as recommended below is probably

> > > >

> > > > better in

> > > >

> > > > >all cases, but it does add cost. In the quantities that I was

> taking,

> > > > >you would

> > > > >have to re-mortgage your house. The only problem that I ever

> noticed was

> > > > >that huge amounts of the sulfates can sometimes cause some

> heartburn on

> > > > >an empty stomach. Fresh pineapple can counter that. and the

> bromelain

> > > > >adds a nice touch.

> > > > >

> > > > ><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@...

> <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>

> > > >

> > > > <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> > > > > > The Turmeric is probably useful for joints, however the best

> stuff I

> > > > > > found, which works and works rapidly, unlike all the

> Glucosamine,

> > > > > > Chondroitin & MSM* *tablets I tried, is :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM Complex Liquid* /004781

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /at

> > > >

> >

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> > > >

> > > > > > I have a suspicion that the Cherry Fruit Concentrate in it

> maybe a

> > > > > > key factor, given recent research with Cherry Juice in reducing

> > > > > > muscle inflammation, post-training.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Label:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Liquid Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM is

> > > > > > an advanced nutraceutical formula designed

> > > > > > to be easily assimilated and digested into

> > > > > > your system. It contains a comprehensive

> > > > > > blend of nutrients which help maintain

> > > > > > healthy joints and support an active lifestyle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Each tablespoon (15ml) contains: %EC RDA*

> > > > > > Vitamin C 500mg 833%

> > > > > > Zinc 0.46mg 3%

> > > > > > Boron 2.4?g **

> > > > > > Cetyl Myristoleate 25mg **

> > > > > > Cherry Fruit Concentrate 25mg **

> > > > > > Evening Primrose Oil 50mg **

> > > > > > Chondroitin Sulphate 150mg **

> > > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate KCl 500mg **

> > > > > > Manganese 140?g **

> > > > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM) 750mg **

> > > > > > Shark Cartilage 50mg **

> > > > > > *RDA=Recommended Daily Allowance

> > > > > > **No RDA established

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Directions: Shake well before using. Take one

> > > > > > tablespoon daily, preferably with a meal. Do not

> > > > > > exceed stated dose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ingredients: Purified Water, Glycerine,

> > > > > > Methylsulphonylmethane (MSM), Fructose,

> > > > > > Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid), Glucosamine

> > > > > > Sulphate KCl, Chondroitin Sulphate, Flavourings,

> > > > > > Cetyl Myristoleate, Bulking Agent (Xanthan

> > > > > > Gum), Shark Cartilage, Evening Primrose Oil,

> > > > > > Preservatives (Potassium Sorbate, Sodium

> > > > > > Benzoate), Cherry Fruit Concentrate, Emu Oil,

> > > > > > Citric Acid, Dead Sea Minerals, Emulsifier

> > > > > > (Polysorbate 80), Zinc Citrate, Manganese

> > > > > > Aspartate, Boron Citrate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > > > > Hi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did it help your knees?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At 06:28 AM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > > >> I have some Turmeric capsules and the ground spice, for

> when my

> > > >

> > > > knees

> > > >

> > > > > > >> are act, apparently it helps protect joins, anyhow it isn't

> > > >

> > > > hot, just a

> > > >

> > > > > > >> different tasting spice, so should be tolerable.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Brown wrote:

> > > > > > >>> Hi:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Hooray for Curry! I love it, but if you don't like its taste

> > > >

> > > > you can

> > > >

> > > > > > >>> get it

> > > >

> >

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> > > > > > >>>> a.. 04 August 2006

> > > >

> >

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> > > > > > >>>> Call it yellow ginger, haldi, turmeric or E100, the yellow

> > > >

> > > > root of

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> Curcuma longa, a staple ingredient in curry, is turning

> out to

> > > > > > >>>> be gratifyingly healthy. Now Tze-Pin Ng and colleagues

> at the

> > > >

> > > > National

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> University of Singapore have discovered that curry eating

> > > >

> > > > seems to

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> boost brain power in elderly people.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Curcumin, a constituent of turmeric, is an antioxidant, and

> > > >

> > > > reports

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> have suggested that it inhibits the build-up of amyloid

> > > >

> > > > plaques in

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> people with Alzheimer's. Ng's team looked at the

> curry-eating

> > > >

> > > > habits

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> of 1010 Asian people unaffected by Alzheimer's and aged

> > > >

> > > > between 60

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> and 93, and compared their performance in a standard

> test of

> > > > > > >>>> cognitive function, the Mini Mental State Examination.

> Those

> > > >

> > > > people

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> who consumed curry " occasionally " (once or more in 6 months

> > > >

> > > > but less

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> than once a month) and " often " (more than once a month) had

> > > >

> > > > better

> > > >

> > > > > > >>>> MMSE results than those who only ate curry " never or

> rarely "

> > > > > > >>>> (American Journal of Epidemiology, DOI:

> 10.1093/aje/kwj267).

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> " What is remarkable is that apparently one needs only

> to consume

> > > > > > >>>> curry once in a while for the better cognitive

> performance to be

> > > > > > >>>> evidenced, " says Ng, who says he wants to confirm the

> results,

> > > > > > >>>> possibly in a controlled clinical trial comparing

> curcumin and a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > placebo.

> > > > >

August 12, 2006

Hi Dave:

I order bulk items somewhat infrequently. I have a ton of

information on many companies and some that I haven't bought

from. This email will be a summary of what I could find or remember

quickly and some pointers on how to find others yourself.

The ones on the top of my tongue are Wholesale Nutrition (very near

me in Saratoga) and I've been buying from them and an associated

amino acid supplier (you can get the name from them if still in

business) since the early 1980's:

http://www.nutri.com/

and for herbs, especially extracts Nature's Thyme

http://www.naturesthyme.com

(25kg min for herbs and 5kg min for extracts)

This company below will encapsulate your formulas for you.. For

about 5 Kilos the setup and cleanup costs about $90 and then $14.00

per 1,000 capsules. There are about 1,400 " 00 " capsules per kilo, by the way:

email: bingatvhni@...

site: http://www.vhni.com/nutritional_supplements.html

Most of the other places where I've gotten bulk are one-of

purchases. I just look for bulk suppliers through other suppliers,

encapsulators or through Internet searches more often in the past few

years. I've learned to use Google and " advanced " search

techniques that yield very good results. You have to be certain that

you find the " wholesale " or " bulk " suppliers, not the retail ones, as

there are a zillion of those and only a few of the former. Sometimes

the wholesale suppliers are listed on separate lists, so you have to

go through one or more levels of indirection to get to them.

When you do a Google search, it just looks for the words you enter

somewhere on the website, often hidden in html " keyword " or other

entries that are not visible. Your search terms don't need to make

sense. For example [wholesale kilo vitamin powder] might be a good

term to use. For example using [msm kilo powder bulk wholesale]

because I wanted to find MSM, I found

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & safe=active & client=firefox-a & rls=org.moz\

illa%3Aen-US%3Aofficial & q=msm+kilo+powder+bulk+wholesale & btnG=Search>this

search and clicked on <http://dragonflyherbals.com/herb.htm>this site

and found MSM for CAD$80 (Canadian Dollars) per kilo. Other

sources may be cheaper.

Some will only deal with you if you have a company name. I have one,

but if you don't, make one up, on the Internet, no one will check you

out except the chemical suppliers. Chemical suppliers in the US will

check their databases to make certain that they don't ship to a

residential address, for example. You can get anything from Chinese

chemical companies, that is if customs doesn't stop it. You need to

be cautious about purity from Asian sources.

Asian sources aren't always the cheapest, strangely enough. This

one, in Asia, curiously is more expensive than Nature's Thyme for

Tonkat Ali concentrated extract powder, for example

www.tongkatali-wholesale.com

Here is a bulk hormone source:

Http://hormone.chemnet.com

This company sells hormones and Viagra/Ciallis by the kilo, for

example Sildenafil Citrate ___FOB china USD950/kg is the

price. Therefore one dose (100mg) costs about a dime (9.5 cents) or

maybe 15 cents after shipping and encapsulation, but you'd have

10,000 doses. They will label it as an herb or however you want it

labeled to avoid seizure by customs. I've not bought from them, but

this is an example of what the real wholesale prices are through

China. Here's one that sells in smaller quantities: http://zyongfu.3322.net

I hope that this helps.

At 09:49 AM 8/10/2006, you wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>I agree with you that bulk is the way to go, some of these regimens

>aren't affordable any other way. Who do you use for bulk purchases?

>

>Best,

>

>Dave