Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are numerous experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. Gordon Swobe wrote: > I first of Dr. Flanagan in the 1970's, when he promoted and > sold books about an idea he called " Pyramid Power " . (I feel a little > embarrassed to admit that sometime around 1977 I wasted some money on > one of his pyramid power books.) > > According to Flanagan, pyramids such as the Great Pyramid of Egypt > emit some kind of strange mystical energy that enables various kinds > of mysterious magic. > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan> > > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Well there have been four or five peer reviewed papers on this. Not much. I am hoping the lhc at cern will provide some empirical insights into it. Re: Dr. Flanagan Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are numerous experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. Gordon Swobe wrote: > I first of Dr. Flanagan in the 1970's, when he promoted and > sold books about an idea he called " Pyramid Power " . (I feel a little > embarrassed to admit that sometime around 1977 I wasted some money on > one of his pyramid power books.) > > According to Flanagan, pyramids such as the Great Pyramid of Egypt > emit some kind of strange mystical energy that enables various kinds > of mysterious magic. > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan> > > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most > scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. Ah. > The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are numerous > experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I > gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will > remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. Well, Jim, (again I feel embarrassed) but actually I DID perform an experiment back then circa 1977: I constructed a cardboard pyramid in which I placed a rose that I had picked from my garden. Along side it I placed a box containing a similarly picked rose. According to Flanagan (the nutcase) the pyramid-encased rose should have decayed more slowly than the box-encased rose. It didn't work that way. I realized then that I had been fooled by a con-artist who whose only real goal was to sell books to capitalize on the New Age craze of 1970s. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Turns out that at least one scientist, Reisch, would have spent his entire life studying orgone had he not been incarcerated. Reisch spent the latter part of his life in jail, had all of his books burned, and lab equipment destroyed as the result of his efforts. Reisch never convicted of a crime, but he did step on some the establishment feet. Indeed, it is a good thing that his work was not peer reviewed. Otherwise, the authorities would probably have to gotten to him sooner. The field of alternative and free energy is strewn with dead bodies and horror stories similar to Reisch's. The fact is that our politically and financially driven scientific system is not ready to step into anything that upsets their " tried and proven system " . Nicola Tesla never subjected his ideas to peer reviewed scientific journals even though he had hundreds of patents, some of which are still protected from our view as " Top Secret " by the U.S. Government. We would not be writing here if his ideas had not been accepted by industry, since he sold the idea of AC current to Westinghouse. Marconi was given credit for Tesla's wireless transmitter until recently. Edison, who stood solidly behind DC current, got most of the credit for the advances in electrical transmission in our history books even though his idea was virtually worthless in terms of actual application. So the question is, why was Tesla, the most important electrical genius ever, nearly disregarded by the scientific community until the advent of the internet? Just last month, ICCF 14 was concluded in Washington, DC. http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/iccf14.pdf Not a single scientific paper has ever been accepted for peer review by a recognized journal on Cold Fusion of the thousands submitted proving excess energy reactions. This has nothing to do with good science, and plenty of good work has been done on this. To quote the opening paragraph on the report from their conference: " For the first time, experimental evidence was presented that shows conclusively that excess heat can be reproduced on demand. In one series of experiments (Arata and Zhang), the reported heat occurred using a device in which there was no electrical (or other) form of input power; the associated measurements of excess heat, which were performed by monitoring changes in temperature and pressure of gases above particular nm-scale palladium (Pd) powders, persisted for such long periods of time and involved such simple forms of measurement that it is virtually impossible to understand how the resulting effect could have occurred, except from room temperature nuclear reactions. " If you ask the biased scientific publishers of peer review journals, the above paragraph is a lie and no repeatable reactions have ever been done in this field. By your standard (and the standard of the biased associated journals), no good science has ever been done and nothing has ever been proven regarding the bogus findings of Pons and Fleishman in 1988. This is just one glaring example of the close minded reporting in what we now call science. In fact, it has nothing to do with the science that allows you to run your computer with Tesla's electricity. All that I can say is, thank God for the internet. Some day this garbage will all be sorted out and the choice will be, either you get it or you become scientific road kill. How does this relate to heath and longevity? The biased mindsets are aligned. More specially, hundreds of examples of proven cures occur in cancer regularly that are never reported to the public. hjooste@... wrote: > Well there have been four or five peer reviewed papers on this. Not much. > > I am hoping the lhc at cern will provide some empirical insights into it. > > > > Re: Dr. Flanagan > > > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most scientists who > never take the time to confirm or deny it. The pyramid form is one > method of concentrating it and there are numerous experiments that you > could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I gather that you > never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will remain > embarrassed. You deserve that fate. > > Gordon Swobe wrote: > > > I first of Dr. Flanagan in the 1970's, when he promoted and > > sold books about an idea he called " Pyramid Power " . (I feel a little > > embarrassed to admit that sometime around 1977 I wasted some money on > > one of his pyramid power books.) > > > > According to Flanagan, pyramids such as the Great Pyramid of Egypt > > emit some kind of strange mystical energy that enables various kinds > > of mysterious magic. > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan>> > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I rate tesla but to say we would not be writing here is laugable. You compare reisch's establishment to the current establishment in the same breath as you use tesla and reisch as examples of why it has all gone wrong. Or right. Or wrong. Who knows. Stop ranting and grandstanding. Grow some bollox and make the point. Re: Dr. Flanagan > > > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most scientists who > never take the time to confirm or deny it. The pyramid form is one > method of concentrating it and there are numerous experiments that you > could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I gather that you > never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will remain > embarrassed. You deserve that fate. > > Gordon Swobe wrote: > > > I first of Dr. Flanagan in the 1970's, when he promoted and > > sold books about an idea he called " Pyramid Power " . (I feel a little > > embarrassed to admit that sometime around 1977 I wasted some money on > > one of his pyramid power books.) > > > > According to Flanagan, pyramids such as the Great Pyramid of Egypt > > emit some kind of strange mystical energy that enables various kinds > > of mysterious magic. > > > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Flanagan>> > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 That may have been a good start if your experiment had been properly designed. There have been many more successful attempts, but I am not sure why yours failed. If you were to clean up your act, you may be able to go back and make your initial experiment work, but there are certainly no guarantees and below is my explanation as to why. Before that, one comment, I was not aware that Dr. Flanagan wrote that book until I got into my current pursuits. I had never read it at the time, but I bought a copy given that it was related to cellery... read it and was quite impressed. The man was way ahead of his time and is even more clearly a genius in my estimation. I would love to meet him someday There were about eight hundred members of the Joe Cell group last time I checked. After a year of experimentation, of that group, about eight of us created and tested cells that reached Stage 3 . If the remaining 792 had followed your lead, we would have had 792 angry, embarrassed ex-members ranting about how the device is a total sham. Today, there are many more who have achieved that and several have run cars without fuel. By your attitude, I am sure that you are highly skeptical, nevertheless, its true. I am also quite certain that many have left the group in total disgust, but I am only aware of a few. You were not fooled. Orgone energy (also known as ZPE or zero point energy) is highly influenced by many outside issues, not the least of which is the experimenter's own energy field or aura. The sad fact is that several of the above 792 group members would never be able get a Joe Cell to Stage 3 despite their efforts and others have developed headaches as a result of just being around the device and had to give up. Some of the group have family members who can't go near the device without negative consequences, while others get a vibrant health boost from being around it. On occasion, it has given me a headache and my dog will never knowingly let me near the device without some serious barking. Obviously, you had no idea what you were playing with at the time. I read stacks of books on the subject prior to designing my cells and have since spent countless hours working with the device. Nevertheless, I am well aware that there is plenty left to learn and, finally, I never expect to publish a single peer reviewed report on my results no matter how successful the outcome.. One final comment on your experiment: One negative result is hardly proof of anything other than your lack of dedication. Any dedicated scientist would undoubtedly agree with me on that... unless they are out to DISPROVE something that they don't believe is true based on bogus assumptions. This is precisely what happened with the Cold Fusion detractors. By the way, I consider all Cold Fusion experiments to be isolated and elaborate examples of Joe Cells, which are much more simple in their construction and far more useful in their output. Nevertheless, the late Dr. Eugene Malove will remain one of my lifetime heroes for the work that he did in Cold Fusion's behalf. In any event, if you have read the above with any interest, I am sensing that your embarrassment is waning, but I may be dead wrong. Gordon Swobe wrote: > > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most > > scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. > > Ah. > > > The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are > numerous > > experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I > > gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will > > remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. > > Well, Jim, (again I feel embarrassed) but actually I DID perform an > experiment back then circa 1977: > > I constructed a cardboard pyramid in which I placed a rose that I had > picked from my garden. Along side it I placed a box containing a > similarly picked rose. According to Flanagan (the nutcase) the > pyramid-encased rose should have decayed more slowly than the > box-encased rose. > > It didn't work that way. I realized then that I had been fooled by a > con-artist who whose only real goal was to sell books to capitalize on > the New Age craze of 1970s. > > -gts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 How would you write here without AC electricity? I assume that you are either from a different planet or you missed something in my comments. hjooste@... wrote: > I rate tesla but to say we would not be writing here is laugable. > > You compare reisch's establishment to the current establishment in the > same breath as you use tesla and reisch as examples of why it has all > gone wrong. Or right. Or wrong. Who knows. > > Stop ranting and grandstanding. > > Grow some bollox and make the point. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 That's like saying if gauss didn't exist, half of mathematics wouldn't have been proved. Legendre was in the wings. Dude, alternating current isn't the reason quantum physics was formulated. Are you suggesting we would have quantum physics, without ac? It would have affected history is tesla sat on his porch and smoked hash all day, but it wouldn't have meant we wouldn't have, through human endeavour, conceived alternating current. Re: Dr. Flanagan How would you write here without AC electricity? I assume that you are either from a different planet or you missed something in my comments. hjooste@... wrote: > I rate tesla but to say we would not be writing here is laugable. > > You compare reisch's establishment to the current establishment in the > same breath as you use tesla and reisch as examples of why it has all > gone wrong. Or right. Or wrong. Who knows. > > Stop ranting and grandstanding. > > Grow some bollox and make the point. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I am suggesting that your COMPUTER would not operate without AC... not all that esoteric. Even though it goes through a power supply and is converted to DC, you can be fairly certain that we would not be discussing this if AC were never invented. hjooste@... wrote: > That's like saying if gauss didn't exist, half of mathematics wouldn't > have been proved. > > Legendre was in the wings. > > Dude, alternating current isn't the reason quantum physics was > formulated. > > Visit Your Group > <Longevity;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcDBtMTdzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BG\ dycElkAzEzODc4MDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTIyMj\ I5Mzc5Nw--> > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rjq5dmp/M=493064.12016231.12582634.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=L5hxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191951/R=0/SIG=11iiaadso/*http://new./giftoflovingkindness> > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > > Heartburn or Worse > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rguvrt9/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MJhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191947/R=0/SIG=13k5hfu0i/*http://health./gerd-overview/gastroesoph\ ageal-reflux-disease-gerd-topic-overview/healthwise--hw99179.html> > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Moderator Central > > Get answers to > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rukm5d3/M=493064.12016262.12445669.8674578/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MZhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5028928/R=0/SIG=11e3tma2a/*http://new./moderatorcentral> > > your questions about > > running Y! Groups. > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yes, Jim. Re: Dr. Flanagan I am suggesting that your COMPUTER would not operate without AC... not all that esoteric. Even though it goes through a power supply and is converted to DC, you can be fairly certain that we would not be discussing this if AC were never invented. hjooste@... wrote: > That's like saying if gauss didn't exist, half of mathematics wouldn't > have been proved. > > Legendre was in the wings. > > Dude, alternating current isn't the reason quantum physics was > formulated. > > Visit Your Group > <Longevity;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcDBtMTdzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BG\ dycElkAzEzODc4MDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTIyMj\ I5Mzc5Nw--> > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rjq5dmp/M=493064.12016231.12582634.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=L5hxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191951/R=0/SIG=11iiaadso/*http://new./giftoflovingkindness> > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > > Heartburn or Worse > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rguvrt9/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MJhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191947/R=0/SIG=13k5hfu0i/*http://health./gerd-overview/gastroesoph\ ageal-reflux-disease-gerd-topic-overview/healthwise--hw99179.html> > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Moderator Central > > Get answers to > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rukm5d3/M=493064.12016262.12445669.8674578/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MZhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5028928/R=0/SIG=11e3tma2a/*http://new./moderatorcentral> > > your questions about > > running Y! Groups. > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Except your laptop runs on direct current. Check your battery. Re: Dr. Flanagan I am suggesting that your COMPUTER would not operate without AC... not all that esoteric. Even though it goes through a power supply and is converted to DC, you can be fairly certain that we would not be discussing this if AC were never invented. hjooste@... wrote: > That's like saying if gauss didn't exist, half of mathematics wouldn't > have been proved. > > Legendre was in the wings. > > Dude, alternating current isn't the reason quantum physics was > formulated. > > Visit Your Group > <Longevity;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcDBtMTdzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BG\ dycElkAzEzODc4MDUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTIyMj\ I5Mzc5Nw--> > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rjq5dmp/M=493064.12016231.12582634.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=L5hxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191951/R=0/SIG=11iiaadso/*http://new./giftoflovingkindness> > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > > Heartburn or Worse > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rguvrt9/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MJhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5191947/R=0/SIG=13k5hfu0i/*http://health./gerd-overview/gastroesoph\ ageal-reflux-disease-gerd-topic-overview/healthwise--hw99179.html> > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Moderator Central > > Get answers to > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rukm5d3/M=493064.12016262.12445669.8674578/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705060814:NC/Y=/EXP=1222300997/L=/B=MZhxIULaX9I-/J=122229379753439\ 8/A=5028928/R=0/SIG=11e3tma2a/*http://new./moderatorcentral> > > your questions about > > running Y! Groups. > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yes, but did you make the pyramid out of the right kinds of material, have it aligned right, placed it on a ley line and over a vortex just when the planets were lined up and the sun cycle was at solar maximum and the moon was ringing like a bell ... and do you have the right birth sign? <grin> Steve Gordon Swobe wrote: > > > > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most > > scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. > > Ah. > > > The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are numerous > > experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I > > gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will > > remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. > > Well, Jim, (again I feel embarrassed) but actually I DID perform an > experiment back then circa 1977: > > I constructed a cardboard pyramid in which I placed a rose that I had > picked from my garden. Along side it I placed a box containing a > similarly picked rose. According to Flanagan (the nutcase) the > pyramid-encased rose should have decayed more slowly than the > box-encased rose. > > It didn't work that way. I realized then that I had been fooled by a > con-artist who whose only real goal was to sell books to capitalize on > the New Age craze of 1970s. > > -gts -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Smiles with Steve and is sure that gts has the wrong birth sign. Steve wrote: > Yes, but did you make the pyramid out of the right kinds of material, > have it aligned right, placed it on a ley line and over a vortex just > when the planets were lined up and the sun cycle was at solar maximum > and the moon was ringing like a bell ... and do you have the right birth > sign? <grin> > > Steve > > Gordon Swobe wrote: > > > > > > > Orgone energy is not magic. It is simply ignored by most > > > scientists who never take the time to confirm or deny it. > > > > Ah. > > > > > The pyramid form is one method of concentrating it and there are > numerous > > > experiments that you could do, quite inexpensively, to confirm that. I > > > gather that you never tried to confirm Flanagan's claims and thus will > > > remain embarrassed. You deserve that fate. > > > > Well, Jim, (again I feel embarrassed) but actually I DID perform an > > experiment back then circa 1977: > > > > I constructed a cardboard pyramid in which I placed a rose that I had > > picked from my garden. Along side it I placed a box containing a > > similarly picked rose. According to Flanagan (the nutcase) the > > pyramid-encased rose should have decayed more slowly than the > > box-encased rose. > > > > It didn't work that way. I realized then that I had been fooled by a > > con-artist who whose only real goal was to sell books to capitalize on > > the New Age craze of 1970s. > > > > -gts > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 To restate, all computers run on DC internally. But to question your point... How do you recharge your laptop battery? Did you know that Edison executed dogs on the street just to prove to the public that his DC current was not as dangerous and thus was superior to Tesla's AC? There are plenty of very intelligent people around today who believe that Edison's system should have been our accepted means of electrical power even though we would have quickly depleted the world's supply of copper had he won. Should we go to photovoltaics and wind power for individual applications on a large scale, I would agree that DC is the correct choice, since it eliminates the conversion losses. However, I am pretty sure that Edison was not looking that far ahead :0) hjooste@... wrote: > Except your laptop runs on direct current. Check your battery. > > > Re: Dr. Flanagan > > > I am suggesting that your COMPUTER would not operate without AC... not > all that esoteric. Even though it goes through a power supply and is > converted to DC, you can be fairly certain that we would not be > discussing this if AC were never invented. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I'm not sure what we can for sure about this. If DC had won, the problems with transmission losses might have been a driving factor to make energy creation more local, perhaps even to the level of individual homestead with efficiencies in small energy production being increased. Solar, wind, geothermal, etc, all might be much more advanced today. Steve Jim wrote: > > > To restate, all computers run on DC internally. But to question your > point... How do you recharge your laptop battery? > > Did you know that Edison executed dogs on the street just to prove to > the public that his DC current was not as dangerous and thus was > superior to Tesla's AC? There are plenty of very intelligent people > around today who believe that Edison's system should have been our > accepted means of electrical power even though we would have quickly > depleted the world's supply of copper had he won. Should we go to > photovoltaics and wind power for individual applications on a large > scale, I would agree that DC is the correct choice, since it eliminates > the conversion losses. However, I am pretty sure that Edison was not > looking that far ahead :0) -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I could recharge it using solar direct current. I could use direct power to power satelites, phone lines etc. Re: Dr. Flanagan > > > I am suggesting that your COMPUTER would not operate without AC... not > all that esoteric. Even though it goes through a power supply and is > converted to DC, you can be fairly certain that we would not be > discussing this if AC were never invented. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 This is right. While I am disagreeing with Jim that the world wouldn't have an internet without tesla, I totally agree that he was an incomparable genius, and completely ignored or ridiculed by his peers. He was ahead of his time, but I have no doubt alternating current would have been invented/discovered at some stage. Re: Dr. Flanagan I'm not sure what we can for sure about this. If DC had won, the problems with transmission losses might have been a driving factor to make energy creation more local, perhaps even to the level of individual homestead with efficiencies in small energy production being increased. Solar, wind, geothermal, etc, all might be much more advanced today. Steve Jim wrote: > > > To restate, all computers run on DC internally. But to question your > point... How do you recharge your laptop battery? > > Did you know that Edison executed dogs on the street just to prove to > the public that his DC current was not as dangerous and thus was > superior to Tesla's AC? There are plenty of very intelligent people > around today who believe that Edison's system should have been our > accepted means of electrical power even though we would have quickly > depleted the world's supply of copper had he won. Should we go to > photovoltaics and wind power for individual applications on a large > scale, I would agree that DC is the correct choice, since it eliminates > the conversion losses. However, I am pretty sure that Edison was not > looking that far ahead :0) -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 In other words, Jim, to you the conspiracy to suppress the truth encompasses not only the medical community, but also the entire scientific community. Were it not for this incredible global conspiracy of scientists, Dr. Flanagan would be more famous than Einstein. His name would be a household word. He would have long ago won the Nobel Prize that he so richly deserves for his discovery of " Pyramid Power " , the most remarkable discovery in the history of science. It's a huge, huge conspiracy, made all the more scary by the fact that the evil perpetrators happen also to be among the most educated and intelligent people in the world. What a nightmare. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 You are absolutely correct...if inefficiencies are great enough they will drive the market to better solutions. However, Tesla's Wardencliff Tower would have given us totally free energy on a mass scale... and that was his dream. Westinghouse killed it when he discovered that it was not subject to metering. Tesla's atmospheric storage system was nearly 100% efficient in delivery as opposed to our present 10% efficient hard wired system. On the other hand, Solar and Wind are extremely inefficient in their present forms. Photovoltaics often fail to even cover their initial installation costs over their twenty year useful lifetime. Wind is better if you happen to live in the right area. Nevertheless, there are presently some very interesting solutions out there for both that could change all of that... and tidal has a place in the mix. That being said, I do not like our chance of surviving much longer without a free energy breakthrough combined with curtailing our population growth. The numbers do not work. Steve wrote: > I'm not sure what we can for sure about this. If DC had won, the > problems with transmission losses might have been a driving factor to > make energy creation more local, perhaps even to the level of individual > homestead with efficiencies in small energy production being increased. > Solar, wind, geothermal, etc, all might be much more advanced today. > > Steve > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > To restate, all computers run on DC internally. But to question your > > point... How do you recharge your laptop battery? > > > > Did you know that Edison executed dogs on the street just to prove to > > the public that his DC current was not as dangerous and thus was > > superior to Tesla's AC? There are plenty of very intelligent people > > around today who believe that Edison's system should have been our > > accepted means of electrical power even though we would have quickly > > depleted the world's supply of copper had he won. Should we go to > > photovoltaics and wind power for individual applications on a large > > scale, I would agree that DC is the correct choice, since it eliminates > > the conversion losses. However, I am pretty sure that Edison was not > > looking that far ahead :0) > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html> > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > > I have to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Somehow, we are not communicating. Hopefully some of the others got my points. Gordon Swobe wrote: > In other words, Jim, to you the conspiracy to suppress the truth > encompasses not only the medical community, but also the entire > scientific community. > > Were it not for this incredible global conspiracy of scientists, Dr. > Flanagan would be more famous than Einstein. His name would be a > household word. He would have long ago won the Nobel Prize that he so > richly deserves for his discovery of " Pyramid Power " , the most > remarkable discovery in the history of science. > > It's a huge, huge conspiracy, made all the more scary by the fact that > the evil perpetrators happen also to be among the most educated and > intelligent people in the world. > > What a nightmare. > > -gts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Jim wrote: > > > You are absolutely correct...if inefficiencies are great enough they > will drive the market to better solutions. However, Tesla's > Wardencliff Tower would have given us totally free energy on a mass > scale... and that was his dream. Westinghouse killed it when he > discovered that it was not subject to metering. Tesla's atmospheric > storage system was nearly 100% efficient in delivery as opposed to our > present 10% efficient hard wired system. On the other hand, Solar and > Wind are extremely inefficient in their present forms. Photovoltaics > often fail to even cover their initial installation costs over their > twenty year useful lifetime. Wind is better if you happen to live in > the right area. Nevertheless, there are presently some very interesting > solutions out there for both that could change all of that... and tidal > has a place in the mix. > > That being said, I do not like our chance of surviving much longer > without a free energy breakthrough combined with curtailing our > population growth. The numbers do not work. With a free energy break through, population growth wouldn't be problem. The solar system itself can accommodate 100s of trillions of people. Education and financial security has a propensity to limit family size. This is occurring in several western countries already where there isn't a replacement rate of birth. Steve > > Steve wrote: > > > I'm not sure what we can for sure about this. If DC had won, the > > problems with transmission losses might have been a driving factor to > > make energy creation more local, perhaps even to the level of individual > > homestead with efficiencies in small energy production being increased. > > Solar, wind, geothermal, etc, all might be much more advanced today. > > > > Steve > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > > To restate, all computers run on DC internally. But to question your > > > point... How do you recharge your laptop battery? > > > > > > Did you know that Edison executed dogs on the street just to prove to > > > the public that his DC current was not as dangerous and thus was > > > superior to Tesla's AC? There are plenty of very intelligent people > > > around today who believe that Edison's system should have been our > > > accepted means of electrical power even though we would have quickly > > > depleted the world's supply of copper had he won. Should we go to > > > photovoltaics and wind power for individual applications on a large > > > scale, I would agree that DC is the correct choice, since it eliminates > > > the conversion losses. However, I am pretty sure that Edison was not > > > looking that far ahead :0) > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I think we're communicating fine. If Pyramid Power really does exist then Dr. Flanagan deserves a Nobel Prize in Physics. You believe it does exist, and you believe people with less than noble intentions have ignored or suppressed his amazing discovery in order to line their own pockets at the expense of the rest of world. Yes? -gts > > > In other words, Jim, to you the conspiracy to suppress > the truth > > encompasses not only the medical community, but also > the entire > > scientific community. > > > > Were it not for this incredible global conspiracy of > scientists, Dr. > > Flanagan would be more famous than Einstein. His name > would be a > > household word. He would have long ago won the Nobel > Prize that he so > > richly deserves for his discovery of " Pyramid > Power " , the most > > remarkable discovery in the history of science. > > > > It's a huge, huge conspiracy, made all the more > scary by the fact that > > the evil perpetrators happen also to be among the most > educated and > > intelligent people in the world. > > > > What a nightmare. > > > > -gts > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 And like a woman I know who can't carry a tune swears that she can sing. Pyramid power is not an energy form Pyramids concentrate ZPE under certain conditions, but so do other regular geometric forms to some degree. This discovery alone would not warrant a Nobel in book, but many that have been awarded do not either. The entire field of ZPE has been avoided by most scientists. All the while, your " elite " chase bosons, spending billions that will never result in a dime in playbacks. Currently, the Correa's have been working with orgone accumulators and have several working devices in their lab that they have spent over a million out of pocket to develop. http://www.aetherometry.com/ I can only guess that you find the concept of an aether to be absurd, so I await another scathing reply. I swear, this is my very last wasted post in your direction and its at least five too many. Gordon Swobe wrote: > I think we're communicating fine. > > If Pyramid Power really does exist then Dr. Flanagan deserves a Nobel > Prize in Physics. You believe it does exist, and you believe people > with less than noble intentions have ignored or suppressed his amazing > discovery in order to line their own pockets at the expense of the > rest of world. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 > This discovery alone would not warrant a Nobel.. On the contrary, Pyramid Power would be perhaps most incredible and amazing thing ever discovered in the history of science! And that's exactly why I was suckered into buying into Flanagan's pipe dream even to point of experimenting with a pyramid. As P.T. Barnum said, " There's a sucker born every minute " and I was one. I can say only in my defense that I was young and naive at the time, and that lots of people believed lots of strange things in the 70's. As I recall, people in the 70's were even selling plastic pyramids to place under one's bed. I suppose some people thought Pyramid Power might cure erectile dysfunction. It was, after all, the supposed " Dawning of the Age of Aquarius " . Starry-eyed people wanted to believe all sorts of fantastic balderdash, and crackpots like Flanagan were happy to help. -gts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I seldom agree with you Gordon, but I'm with you on Flanagan. I, too think he's a huckster but he sure has a good press agent. Then again, the infamous Dr Jon also had a good run on the 'net before he died. I kinda liked him, though. Chuck Honk If You Love Peace and Quiet. On 9/25/2008 5:48:57 PM, Gordon Swobe (gts_2000@...) wrote: > It was, after all, the supposed " Dawning of the Age of Aquarius " . Starry-eyed people wanted to believe all sorts of fantastic balderdash, and crackpots like Flanagan were happy to help. > > -gts ---------- ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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