Re: tonka, galbanum, castoreum

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> " crystaljayne108 " <crystaljayne108@...> wrote: Hi, I'm Crystal-

> teacher, aromatherapist, healer, and New Age activist. I am here to

> learn- thanks for accepting me in the group. I am looking for some

> Tonka oil and Galbanum oil. Does anyone knows where I can aquire

> some? Also, I am trying to replace castoreum in a recipe. Does

> anyone know what what vegan source to use for this?

Hi Crystal, welcome to the group! Here's where I got my Tonka

absolute from, and it's good (though my EDT with it hasn't matured to

the point where I can wear it yet):

http://www.libertynatural.com/

Just click on the " Natural Perfumery " section. They've also got a

Galbanum essential oil. And this site also has both Tonka and

Galbanum:

http://www.sunrosearomatics.com/catalog/essentialoils.asp

About a natural, vegan version of castoreum, I'm kind of a newbie and

don't really know what would replace that, or which oils you could

blend to get that scent, but maybe some other folks here know. You

might also find info on that by doing a search on previous posts.

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> " crystaljayne108 " <crystaljayne108@> wrote: Also, I am trying to

> replace castoreum in a recipe. Does anyone know what what vegan

> source to use for this?

You know, I was just looking at an EO website, and they said tarragon

absolute might give off a hint of a castoreum-type note. A few other

oils that might help are clove leaf and birch tar, though I haven't

tried any of these for the castoreum effect. I've never smelled

castoreum on its own, but from what I've heard about it, I get the

feeling that cistus labdanum might also substitute part of that scent,

but you'd need something else to make it deeper, thicker, more pungent

and almost oily.

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> You know, I was just looking at an EO website, and they said tarragon

> absolute might give off a hint of a castoreum-type note. A few other

> oils that might help are clove leaf and birch tar, though I haven't

> tried any of these for the castoreum effect. I've never smelled

> castoreum on its own, but from what I've heard about it, I get the

> feeling that cistus labdanum might also substitute part of that scent,

> but you'd need something else to make it deeper, thicker, more pungent

> and almost oily.

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I have a small bottle of this on the shelf and to me it smells like

ambergris and ambrette seed with a [somewhat disturbing straight-on] hit of

fecal matter. I have cistus on the shelf and I find very little parallel

between the two, although it's very true that scents can vary widely from

bottle to bottle if you have different suppliers.

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Regards,

Teegarden

Althaea Soaps and Herbals

http://www.althaea.biz

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On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:23 PM, steevo009 wrote:

>> " crystaljayne108 " <crystaljayne108@> wrote: Also, I am trying to

>> replace castoreum in a recipe. Does anyone know what what vegan

>> source to use for this?

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> You know, I was just looking at an EO website, and they said tarragon

> absolute might give off a hint of a castoreum-type note. A few other

> oils that might help are clove leaf and birch tar, though I haven't

> tried any of these for the castoreum effect. I've never smelled

> castoreum on its own, but from what I've heard about it, I get the

> feeling that cistus labdanum might also substitute part of that scent,

> but you'd need something else to make it

> deeper, thicker, more pungent

> and almost oily....

You might try Choya Loban.

Will Lapaz

Eden Botanicals

Pure Essential Oils, Absolutes & CO2 Extracts

www.edenbotanicals.com

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From my experience (I have castoreum, but was in so far too grossed

out to use it), castoreum can be quite easily substituted by notes of

choya nakh, cade and tobacco absolute.

> they said tarragon

> absolute might give off a hint of a castoreum-type note. A few other

> oils that might help are clove leaf and birch tar

The tarragon may contribute if used with other notes, but defintiley

woulnd't go as far as substituting for castoreum.

As for birch tar, it is not similar to castoreum, but is used often in

" leather " type perfumes as birch tar is used in the process of curing

leather to mask the ungodly scent of the leather stripped from the

animal... It is in fact a lot more similar to wintergreen than

anything else in my opinion - only darker and with a hint of smokiness.

I don't see the connection witih clove leaf though...

> I've never smelled

> castoreum on its own, but from what I've heard about it, I get the

> feeling that cistus labdanum might also substitute part of that scent,

> but you'd need something else to make it deeper, thicker, more

pungent and almost oily.

Some labdanums have more of a leathery, animalic character - it

depends which one you use, as most of them are more " ambery " in my

opinion. Labdanum is used in many leather compositions though as well,

and is a good choice with tenacity, fixative qualities and very sensual.

Ayala Sender - Perfumer

Ayala Moriel Parfums

Signature Perfumes ~ Perfumed Jewelry ~ Fragrance Consultant On-line

http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/