Re: Re: Rules about naming names : Sandalwood Bunk

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At 03:48 PM 12/17/2006, you wrote:

>Since the real intention of this thread was to talk about " Bunk " oils,

>how about the purposeful substitution of australian or vanuatu

>sandalwood oil for E. Indian? (Yes, don't flame me, I realize the need

>for sustainable sourcing and ethical harvesting. My issue here is with

>mislabeling).

Hi -- we don't allow flaming here, so you're safe ;-) We do

allow open discussion of real-life incidents to help educate

everyone. Yes, I've heard a lot about the vanuatu switching.

>For quite a while the Aura Cacia brand passed on its Australian as E.

>Indian even though the testers in the front of their racks still

>contain E. Indian. (Sampling a product that doesn't represent the stock

>on the rack behind it). My issue with them was that they didn't mention

>a word about the change to customers, and continued to charge the same

>price for the oil. It bothers me that someone would think we're not

>discerning enough to know the difference between s. spicatum and s.

>album.

I never test or use store EOs, so I didn't know this was going

on. Has anyone else had this experience? There has been a lot

written about vanuatu here and on other groups, so anyone not

familiar with it, the issues that still surround it by those who are

conservationists, etc., you can do a search. I'm hoping on the side

of good will that it is ethically grown and harvested, and that it

can fill in the S. album market. It does smell quite different,

missing a lot of the " creaminess " and lasting power of S. album, but

after initial hesitation, I now use it in my Riverside perfume, and I

do love it. I just pretend S. album isn't available anymore (it

really isn't according to many, even the Agmark is tweaked, they say)

and I've gone with the S. spicatum.

>I sent a whole raft of e-mails to them and a snail mail letter about

>this and never got a single reply.

That's a shame. Did you call them? I would.

>Very, very recently, I bought some " Snow Lotus " brand sandalwood oil

>that also claimed to be E. Indian. It was not. I find this really

>objectionable from a company that bases its marketing on a spiritual

>foundation. I e-mailed the owner about this (,

>snowlotus@...) to find out what the deal was. No response as of

>yet.

I remember hearing about this brand years ago, but I never followed

up. How long ago did you email him? My email was down for half of

today, and if something like that happened to him, any emails were

just plain lost. Give him the benefit of the doubt if he's not really

experienced with buying S. album. If his nose isn't trained, and he

doesn't, or can't afford to do GCMS's, he may have been fooled. You

can ask for your money back, but many don't refund open bottles. Did

you sample first?

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Community Group

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> Since the real intention of this thread was to talk

> about " Bunk " oils,

> how about the purposeful substitution of australian

> or vanuatu sandalwood oil for E. Indian? >

It is so disheartening to hear this tale of betrayal.

I share your outrage. Perhaps some members of the

group could barage them with e-mails and questions.

Sounds like a boycott potential to me and a good

subject for the press.

Do not throw away your bottles of Sandalwood when

finished refill them. I refilled mine with jojoba oil

and it smells just as strong as the original product.

Back to Eden Botanicals I guess

bb

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At 05:57 PM 12/17/2006, you wrote:

>BTW, Anya or others, I have saved a whole bunch of Oshadhi 5 ml.

>bottles of Agmarked wildcrafted S. Album that I guarantee are the real

>deal and unopened. I began picking them up when it seemed that real

>sandalwood would be unaffordable. I have collected so many that I can

>actually pass them on if someone needs a little of the real stuff

>(price only to be mentioned on Ad day, but ask me privately). :>/

Thursday is ad day, but you can write me privately now...

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Community Group

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