Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse

March 6, 2012

AAAARRRGGGH!!!!On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health Nurse Public Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor. A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness. The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers. One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child. Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics. A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux. A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle. Entry Requirements A Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers. Training It is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience. Career Prospects The role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health. Further Information For further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contact The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA) NHS Education for Scotland Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 6, 2012

Agree . Talk about muddying the waters! It seems that the well known traditional health visitor is being reinvented in Scotland under a different name with no real justification- just adding confusion. Where is the benefit in this name change? What is the intended outcome? Clarity of role??!!! How can further information about a career as a public health nurse be available when no career structure can be defined? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CowleySent: 06 March 2012 13:10 Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse AAAARRRGGGH!!!! On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health NursePublic Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor.A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness.The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers.One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child.Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics.A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux.A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle.Entry RequirementsA Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers.TrainingIt is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience.Career ProspectsThe role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health.Further InformationFor further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contactThe Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA)NHS Education for Scotland Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 6, 2012

Agree . Talk about muddying the waters! It seems that the well known traditional health visitor is being reinvented in Scotland under a different name with no real justification- just adding confusion. Where is the benefit in this name change? What is the intended outcome? Clarity of role??!!! How can further information about a career as a public health nurse be available when no career structure can be defined? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CowleySent: 06 March 2012 13:10 Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse AAAARRRGGGH!!!! On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health NursePublic Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor.A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness.The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers.One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child.Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics.A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux.A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle.Entry RequirementsA Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers.TrainingIt is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience.Career ProspectsThe role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health.Further InformationFor further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contactThe Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA)NHS Education for Scotland Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 6, 2012

My sentiments exactly. And there's one in every paragraph too! I

had wondered what was happening to health visiting in Scotland,

trembling on the brink of independence under Mr President for Life

Salmond.

After all these years listening to policy nonsense in England, it'll

be like starting from scratch again.

March 6, 2012

Sounds like an act of spite after their community health nurse (does

everything at a third of the cost with a third of the education!)

project got quietly ditched.

Not sure where this new reinvention would fit on NMC registers.

CPHVA are being surprisingly discreet about all of this change, but

they may not have the membership in the Republic of Alba.

I suspect they've opened the health policy door to a real daftie. I

wonder who it is?

H

March 6, 2012

Sounds like an act of spite after their community health nurse (does

everything at a third of the cost with a third of the education!)

project got quietly ditched.

Not sure where this new reinvention would fit on NMC registers.

CPHVA are being surprisingly discreet about all of this change, but

they may not have the membership in the Republic of Alba.

I suspect they've opened the health policy door to a real daftie. I

wonder who it is?

H

March 6, 2012

I have to agree! AAAARRRGGGH!!!!Is this going to produce better outcomes for children and families in Scotland, that must be the acid test!CheryllDr Cheryll , D(Nurs), MSc, BSc(Hons), RN, RHV, Dip ManIndependent Adviser, Health Visiting and Community Health Policy and PracticeProfessorial Fellow, Royal Society for Public HealthCheryllMA@...01243 430545From: Cowley <sarahcowley183@...>Reply- < >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:09:54 +0000 < >Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse

AAAARRRGGGH!!!!On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health Nurse Public Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor. A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness. The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers. One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child. Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics. A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux. A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle. Entry Requirements A Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers. Training It is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience. Career Prospects The role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health. Further Information For further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contact The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA) NHS Education for Scotland Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 6, 2012

I have to agree! AAAARRRGGGH!!!!Is this going to produce better outcomes for children and families in Scotland, that must be the acid test!CheryllDr Cheryll , D(Nurs), MSc, BSc(Hons), RN, RHV, Dip ManIndependent Adviser, Health Visiting and Community Health Policy and PracticeProfessorial Fellow, Royal Society for Public HealthCheryllMA@...01243 430545From: Cowley <sarahcowley183@...>Reply- < >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:09:54 +0000 < >Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse

AAAARRRGGGH!!!!On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health Nurse Public Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor. A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness. The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers. One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child. Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics. A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux. A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle. Entry Requirements A Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers. Training It is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience. Career Prospects The role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health. Further Information For further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contact The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA) NHS Education for Scotland Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 6, 2012

Is it Groundhog Day?

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Cowley

Sent: 06 March 2012 13:10

Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse

AAAARRRGGGH!!!!

On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13,

hwood@... wrote:

Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'.

Public Health Nurse

Public Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors.

The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the

health visitor.

A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team.

Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age

groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill

people to come to terms with their illness.

The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training

in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and

the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with

parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of

health workers.

One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check

the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions.

They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main

involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This

is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public

Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety,

and how to play with and stimulate a child.

Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes

Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal

classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate

health clinics.

A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the

community, visiting people (including older people and those with

disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health

matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise

with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social

Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux.

A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in

the community. They collect and use information about the health and

social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of

meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at

encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle.

Entry Requirements

A Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The

minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After

qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes

further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry

qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with

preference given to candidates with two Highers.

Training

It is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before

training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one

academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is

followed by a period of supervised work experience.

Career Prospects

The role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and

so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However,

it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder

works as a member of a health workers team with their specific

responsibilities focusing on public health.

Further Information

For further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse,

please contact

The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA)

NHS Education for Scotland

Cowley

sarahcowley183@...

http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,

registered in England (reg. no. 986729). Registered office:

Old Royal Naval College, Park Row, Greenwich, London SE10 9LS.

March 6, 2012

Some of the ish SCRs make disturbing reading for any health

visitor. This is public domain stuff. For example:

http://www.nescpc.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=82 & sID=265

It sounds like the services were in a bit of a muddle, to put it

mildly. Another report castigates a health authority for failing to

retain any HV records at all.

Scary.

March 6, 2012

I suppose, to be fair, the ish policy wonks have always been keen on redesignating health visitors as nurses - whether public health nurses, family health nurses, community health nurses - they are nothing if not consistent in that. The rationale is generally to muddy the waters, with their enthusiasm for ensuring that their rural hinterland, highlands and islands are well served by a generic do-anything-and-everything health professional for a sparse population. It is far more problematic in densely population inner city areas areas like central Glasgow, and they have not covered themselves in glory in the way they support the infants and early years: I will follow SCR links with interest. I am not convinced that health visitors on the ground are happy with all this name-changing either, but they don't seem to have any particular voice or forum through which to express it, and there is a fair amount of 'tail wagging the dog' as they then want the rest of the UK (hence to NMC) to follow suit.Ah well, as you say, Liz - groundhog dayOn 6 Mar 2012, at 14:27, Meerabeau wrote: Is it Groundhog Day? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Cowley Sent: 06 March 2012 13:10 Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse AAAARRRGGGH!!!! On 6 Mar 2012, at 12:13, hwood@... wrote: Came across this and wondered about the 'period of transition'. Public Health Nurse Public Health Nurses have previously been known as Health Visitors. The reason for the name change is to reflect the changing role of the health visitor. A Public Health Nurse is a key member of the primary healthcare team. Their job is to promote health and tackle inequality across all age groups. Public Health Nurses help well people to stay well, and ill people to come to terms with their illness. The Public Health Nurse is a registered Nurse with special training in the assessment of the health needs of individuals, families and the community. Employment opportunities vary from reactive work with parenting as its focus, to more proactive work as part of a team of health workers. One of the main responsibilities of a Public Health Nurse is to check the development of babies through regular visits and clinic sessions. They have links with parents before and after the birth, but the main involvement occurs after the first 28 days of the baby's life. This is when the Public Health Nurse takes over from the Midwife. Public Health Nurses advise on normal child development, feeding, safety, and how to play with and stimulate a child. Public Health Nurses are also involved in running clinics and classes Child Health Clinics, Well Baby Clinics, antenatal and postnatal classes. These can be attached to a GP's surgery or can be separate health clinics. A lot of the work of the Public Health Nurse is based in the community, visiting people (including older people and those with disabilities) in their own homes. It involves advising on health matters or managing complex situations like child abuse. They liaise with other organisations such as the Housing Department, Social Services and Citizens' Advice Bureaux. A key role of Public Health Nurses is to help promote health care in the community. They collect and use information about the health and social problems of the local population, and devise the best ways of meeting health needs. Health promotion activities may be aimed at encouraging changes in diet and lifestyle. Entry Requirements A Public Health Nurse must first qualify as a registered Nurse. The minimum age of entry to Nurse training is 17 years in Scotland. After qualifying and gaining experience, a registered Nurse undergoes further training to become a Public Health Nurse. The minimum entry qualifications for Nurse training are five Standard Grades, with preference given to candidates with two Highers. Training It is usual to complete at least two years working as a nurse before training as a Public Health Nurse. Training normally lasts one academic year half theory and half clinical-practice. This is followed by a period of supervised work experience. Career Prospects The role of the Public Health Nurse is in a period of transition and so it is difficult to outline a definitive career structure. However, it seems likely that the role will be one in which the post holder works as a member of a health workers team with their specific responsibilities focusing on public health. Further Information For further information about a career as a Public Health Nurse, please contact The Community Practitioners' and Health Visitors' Association (CPHVA) NHS Education for Scotland Cowley sarahcowley183@... http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee, registered in England (reg. no. 986729). Registered office: Old Royal Naval College, Park Row, Greenwich, London SE10 9LS. Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

March 8, 2012

Jane Cantrell and Jane are key contacts in Scotland. Might be worth inviting them to a UKSC meeting?LizSent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: hwood@...Sender: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:43:05 -0000< >Reply Subject: RE: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse Sounds like an act of spite after their community health nurse (does everything at a third of the cost with a third of the education!) project got quietly ditched. Not sure where this new reinvention would fit on NMC registers. CPHVA are being surprisingly discreet about all of this change, but they may not have the membership in the Republic of Alba.I suspect they've opened the health policy door to a real daftie. I wonder who it is? H

March 8, 2012

hello,

What is it that is often said about a little knowledge?

Public health nurse has been a recognised and accepted role/job descriptor

within Scotland since 2001.

I have no idea where the cut and pasted paragraphs that started this recent

steam came from but there was nothing new or alarming in there to those of us

who are involved and aware of the ish agenda.

The CPHVA were the only professional organisation to be critical of the

Community Health Nurse project from its conception to death. This has nothing to

do with that particular project.

Unlike other member organisations the CPHVA has also been lobbying for a

clarification of titles across Scotland.

This was not done to bolster any particular professional agenda but more to

reflect the reality of the accepted public & professional use of the specific

discipline titles within public and community health.

I think that there is a great misunderstanding regarding NHS partnership working

in Scotland and how it functions. It is rarely a concept that requires public

outbursts or press releases. Success is more often achieved through common sense

and professional diplomacy.

As far as inviting the two Janes to your meeting. It's your choice but ......

there " s that professional diplomacy thing kicking in again.

Enjoy your discussion.

Gavin Fergie

March 8, 2012

Interesting response! Are we not all professionals willing to have an open discussion? I know both Janes' very well and know they would be more than willing to shed light on their policy decisions and what this means across the three devolved administrations.Are we not all in this together for the best outcomes for children, let's keep perspective.LizSent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Gavin <gavin@...>Sender: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:47:53 +0000 < >Reply Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health nurse hello,What is it that is often said about a little knowledge?Public health nurse has been a recognised and accepted role/job descriptor within Scotland since 2001. I have no idea where the cut and pasted paragraphs that started this recent steam came from but there was nothing new or alarming in there to those of us who are involved and aware of the ish agenda.The CPHVA were the only professional organisation to be critical of the Community Health Nurse project from its conception to death. This has nothing to do with that particular project.Unlike other member organisations the CPHVA has also been lobbying for a clarification of titles across Scotland. This was not done to bolster any particular professional agenda but more to reflect the reality of the accepted public & professional use of the specific discipline titles within public and community health.I think that there is a great misunderstanding regarding NHS partnership working in Scotland and how it functions. It is rarely a concept that requires public outbursts or press releases. Success is more often achieved through common sense and professional diplomacy.As far as inviting the two Janes to your meeting. It's your choice but ...... there " s that professional diplomacy thing kicking in again.Enjoy your discussion.Gavin Fergie

March 8, 2012

Gosh, maybe we need government permission?

H

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Interesting response! Are we not all professionals willing to have an

open discussion? I know both Janes' very well and know they would be

more than willing to shed light on their policy decisions and what

this means across the three devolved administrations.

Are we not all in this together for the best outcomes for children,

let's keep perspective.

Liz Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:47:53 +0000

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hello,

What is it that is often said about a little knowledge?

Public health nurse has been a recognised and accepted role/job

descriptor within Scotland since 2001.

I have no idea where the cut and pasted paragraphs that started this

recent steam came from but there was nothing new or alarming in there

to those of us who are involved and aware of the ish agenda.

The CPHVA were the only professional organisation to be critical of

the Community Health Nurse project from its conception to death. This

has nothing to do with that particular project.

Unlike other member organisations the CPHVA has also been lobbying

for a clarification of titles across Scotland.

This was not done to bolster any particular professional agenda but

more to reflect the reality of the accepted public & professional use

of the specific discipline titles within public and community health.

I think that there is a great misunderstanding regarding NHS

partnership working in Scotland and how it functions. It is rarely a

concept that requires public outbursts or press releases. Success is

more often achieved through common sense and professional diplomacy.

As far as inviting the two Janes to your meeting. It's your choice

but ...... there " s that professional diplomacy thing kicking in again.

Enjoy your discussion.

Gavin Fergie

March 8, 2012

I can certainly help with your questions, Gavin.

The text is a job advert on the NHS Scotland Recruitment site for a

current vacancy ending 09 March 2012. Here's the web address:

https://jobs.scot.nhs.uk/%28S%28wkhi2445pwf5h0zmrcdje4ng%29%29/_result

s.aspx?catID= & regionID= & orgID= & word=public%20health%20nurse

I'm not sure why you feel CPHVA's stand was a problem since it has a

membership to represent and their stand represented a point of view

shared by many of us. Any member who doesn't like what their union

is saying has an easy remedy to hand. For example, I've just

resigned my RCN membership because I found their recent statements on

health visiting ill informed and embarrassing to read, let alone

associate myself with.

I think there is a problem with titles. The third part of the

register is a mess of disparate roles which have been grouped

together in a way which might make some kind of very limited

ontological sense, but as far as protecting the public goes, it

provides no clarity whatever because the various roles elegible for

registration deal with different client groups in different settings

deploying different education requirements. Like the other

specialist registrations, you might argue that there's no point

maintaining such a plethora of titles. Depends on whether you want

to provide a particular client group with a registrant who has the

specialist skills they need, I suppose.

As a patient, I've always likes an anaesthetist to give me my

anaesthetic and appropriately specialist surgeon handling the

cutlery. Perhaps you'd argue that the specialist skills of a mental

health nurse or a midwife or a health visitor don't amount to

anything as substantial as those in my medical example, so why not

just stick with the title 'registered nurse' for the whole set and

keep it really simple?

Of course, if the title 'health visitor' is truly unknown and

unfamiliar to many generations of parents in Scotland, then maybe

it's a simply a matter of UK insensitivity to a major cultural and

linguistic difference which this policy is attempting to redress?

Was Scotland groaning under the imperialist UKCC & NMC & CETHV yoke

for all those many years when they made you call us 'Health

Visitors'?

I don't know what 'Health Visitor' sounds like in Welsh or Gaelic,

but perhaps it's time to find out before I cause a diplomatic

incident...

" " <SENATE-

HVSN >

From: Gavin <gavin@...>

Date sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:47:53 +0000

Subject: Re: NHS Scotland - the public health

nurse

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hello,

What is it that is often said about a little knowledge?

Public health nurse has been a recognised and accepted role/job

descriptor within Scotland since 2001.

I have no idea where the cut and pasted paragraphs that started this

recent steam came from but there was nothing new or alarming in there

to those of us who are involved and aware of the ish agenda.

The CPHVA were the only professional organisation to be critical of

the Community Health Nurse project from its conception to death. This

has nothing to do with that particular project.

Unlike other member organisations the CPHVA has also been lobbying

for

a clarification of titles across Scotland.