Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues

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Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms?

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On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, " liz.plastow@... "

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> I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV

> without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their

> RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain

> their mental health officer status?

> If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained

> I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a

> different scenario now!

> I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed

> role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives

> appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by

> a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice

> as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which

> surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law.

> Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake

> shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated

> on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register

> to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a

> mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on

> a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they

> could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That

> appears to have disappeared.

> Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the

> regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again.

> Any comments would be welcomed

> Thanks

> Liz

> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

>

> Consultation: working together guidance [8

> Attachments]

>

> The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to

> replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document.

> Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out

> under the last government, and the current government have used the

> opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent

> of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to

> the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in

> detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual

> 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities,

> the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and

> children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent

> from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious

> case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development

> following adverse events.

>

> The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from

http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & c\

onsultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1

>

> best wishes

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> Cowley

> sarahcowley183@...

> http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Apparently not if you have it it already, if you start training post A4C I think its gone. That is my understanding LizSent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Meerabeau <E.Meerabeau@...>Sender: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:43 +0100 < >Reply Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms?Sent from my iPhoneOn 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, " liz.plastow@... " <liz.plastow@...> wrote:> I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV> without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their> RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain> their mental health officer status?> If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained> I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a> different scenario now!> I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed> role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives> appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by> a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice> as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which> surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law.> Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake> shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated> on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register> to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a> mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on> a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they> could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That> appears to have disappeared.> Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the> regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again.> Any comments would be welcomed> Thanks> Liz> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange>> Consultation: working together guidance [8> Attachments]>> The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to> replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document.> Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out> under the last government, and the current government have used the> opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent> of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to> the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in> detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual> 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities,> the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and> children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent> from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious> case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development> following adverse events.>> The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & consultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1>> best wishes>> >>> Cowley> sarahcowley183@...> http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

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My previous HV Student (last year) was an RMN and is now qualified, working as a Health Visitor. There was no indication of any problems and it all went well.

Best wishes,

Lin Chappell

HV/ PT

From: E.Meerabeau@...Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:43 +0100Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues

Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms? Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, "liz.plastow@..." <liz.plastow@... > wrote: > I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV > without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their > RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain > their mental health officer status? > If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained > I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a > different scenario now! > I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed > role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives > appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by > a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice > as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which > surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law. > Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake > shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated > on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register > to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a > mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on > a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they > could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That > appears to have disappeared. > Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the > regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again. > Any comments would be welcomed > Thanks > Liz > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > > Consultation: working together guidance [8 > Attachments] > > The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to > replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document. > Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out > under the last government, and the current government have used the > opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent > of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to > the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in > detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual > 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities, > the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and > children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent > from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious > case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development > following adverse events. > > The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & consultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1 > > best wishes > > > > > Cowley > sarahcowley183@... > http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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Do you know if she maintained MOH  status?LizOn Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lin Hv <hv31@...> wrote:

 

My previous HV Student (last year) was an RMN and is now qualified, working as a Health Visitor.  There was no indication of any problems and it all went well.

 

Best wishes,

 

Lin Chappell

HV/ PT 

From: E.Meerabeau@...Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:43 +0100

Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues 

Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms? Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, " liz.plastow@... " <liz.plastow@...

> wrote: > I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV > without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their > RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain

> their mental health officer status? > If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained > I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a > different scenario now!

> I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed > role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives > appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by

> a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice > as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which > surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law. > Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake

> shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated > on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register > to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a

> mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on > a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they > could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That

> appears to have disappeared. > Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the > regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again. > Any comments would be welcomed

> Thanks > Liz > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > > Consultation: working together guidance [8 > Attachments] > > The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to

> replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document. > Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out > under the last government, and the current government have used the

> opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent > of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to > the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in

> detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual > 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities, > the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and

> children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent > from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious > case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development

> following adverse events. > > The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & consultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1

> > best wishes > > > > > Cowley > sarahcowley183@... > http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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I will ask her. From: liz.plastow@...Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:55:32 +0100Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues

Do you know if she maintained MOH status?LizOn Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lin Hv <hv31@...> wrote:

My previous HV Student (last year) was an RMN and is now qualified, working as a Health Visitor. There was no indication of any problems and it all went well.

Best wishes,

Lin Chappell

HV/ PT

From: E.Meerabeau@...Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:43 +0100

Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues

Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms? Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, "liz.plastow@..." <liz.plastow@...

> wrote: > I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV > without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their > RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain

> their mental health officer status? > If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained > I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a > different scenario now!

> I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed > role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives > appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by

> a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice > as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which > surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law. > Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake

> shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated > on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register > to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a

> mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on > a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they > could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That

> appears to have disappeared. > Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the > regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again. > Any comments would be welcomed

> Thanks > Liz > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > > Consultation: working together guidance [8 > Attachments] > > The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to

> replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document. > Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out > under the last government, and the current government have used the

> opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent > of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to > the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in

> detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual > 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities, > the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and

> children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent > from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious > case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development

> following adverse events. > > The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & consultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1

> > best wishes > > > > > Cowley > sarahcowley183@... > http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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Thanks have a good weekendLizSent using BlackBerry® from OrangeFrom: Lin Hv <hv31@...>Sender: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:36:08 +0000< >Reply Subject: RE: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues I will ask her. From: liz.plastow@...Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:55:32 +0100Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues Do you know if she maintained MOH status?LizOn Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lin Hv <hv31@...> wrote: My previous HV Student (last year) was an RMN and is now qualified, working as a Health Visitor. There was no indication of any problems and it all went well. Best wishes, Lin ChappellHV/ PT From: E.Meerabeau@...Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:15:43 +0100Subject: Re: Mental Health Officer Status and other issues Was MHO status abolished in the Agenda for Change pay reforms? Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:45, "liz.plastow@..." <liz.plastow@... > wrote: > I wonder if anyone can advise. Now RMN's can train to be a HV > without doing their RGN given the fact they have to maintain their > RMN registration to be a HV are they therefore able to maintain > their mental health officer status? > If not we could lose some potentially excellent HV's. When I trained > I had to do general first and so was not considered but its a > different scenario now! > I have also become aware that as the HV Offer requires transformed > role for HV's with emphasis on leadership direct entry midwives > appear to be finding it increasingly difficult to get signed off by > a supervisor of midwives which means they cannot therefore practice > as a HV and also prevents them from taking team Leader roles - which > surely is discriminatory in terms of employment law. > Also we have an issue of annotation for school nurses who undertake > shortened programme to become a HV because they cannot be annotated > on the Register and if a member of the public looked on NMC register > to confirm their registration they would not be registered - what a > mess!! I understood when I was at NMC although they could not be on > a Register twice but for the purpose of public protection they > could have annotation to demonstrate both qualifications! That > appears to have disappeared. > Three good reasons why the NMC need to consider changes to the > regulation of health visitors and consider direct entry again. > Any comments would be welcomed > Thanks > Liz > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > > Consultation: working together guidance [8 > Attachments] > > The Department for Education is consulting on an updated guidance to > replace the current 'Working together' safeguarding document. > Personally, I like the current document, but of course it came out > under the last government, and the current government have used the > opportunity opened by Eileen Munro's adverse comments about the extent > of prescriptive detail to take a completely 'new broom' approach to > the guidance. I haven't had time to look at these four documents in > detail, but they are certainly radically scaled down. The actual > 'working together' one is focused on organisational responsibilities, > the 'individual case' guidance is predominantly for social workers and > children's social care (who are curiously almost completely absent > from the working together guidance) and the guidance about serious > case reviews is replaced by one focused on learning and development > following adverse events. > > The consultation is open until 6th September: attached or from http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails & consultationId=1839 & external=no & menu=1 > > best wishes > > > > > Cowley > sarahcowley183@... > http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >