Re: victoria: B/A Friday 6/24 LONG

[Guest guest]

Wow - Beth thank you-

I knew the outer shell of the implant is silicone but I did not know

about the metal toxicity. You are right - Doctors should HAVE to

explain all the risk a patient is taking as not many people know how

to or care to do their own research. We all tend to trust anyone

with a Dr. before their names also. Thank you for your very educated

information. Ive talked to some women that blame everything and

anything on implants and it's hard for me to make a decisionbased on

the real deal when I know that it's unreasonable to think they

cause every problem you ever have post-implantation - you knowwhat I

mean? Makes it hard for me to trust and find the real information.

I will look up tin toxicity among the other contents of the outter

shell - I DID not know specifically what it contains - mostly you

jsut hear a general - bad stuff - carcinogens (which are in

EVERYTHING almost). I will go to the website you mentioned and

really - thank you. You sound like a very intelligent and well

informed lady Of course I am so very sorry to hear about your

problems.

--- In , " bethlakey " <bethlakey@y...>

wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from

saline

> implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological

> complications from my saline implants. If you go to the " files

tab "

> on the left nav, then to " implant and explant stories " , look under

> Beth.

> All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or

> silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into the

> mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals are

also

> used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you will

see

> a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had 95%

> tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the

> implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems.

> Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with

symptoms

> of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your health

> back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain

> genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver

function.

> You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com,

> scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone

> newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines.

> I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine were

> the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give true

> informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune

> illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this

board

> give true informed consent and also do full medical workups before

> implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do

have

> a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to

> perform " en bloc " removal, or does this mean you will be spending

> another $7000 to get them removed?

> Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of

what

> they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some

point,

> and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you

would

> consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply

> amazing at what they can do with what you already have!

>

> Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions,

> bethlakey@y...

> Best wishes and good luck,

> Beth

[Guest guest]

you have to realize that we are not blaming all our health

woes on our implants. I have said again and again quite honestly that

I have some issues with tendonitis that I honestly cannot say or

blame on implants for sure. What I do know though, is that my blood

work went from normal, to having a high ANA test for lupus with

implants to normal again after removal, that to me says allot.

Also I know that within 2 months of my surgery I began to suffer

allot of weird symptoms that no one seemed to know anything about and

when I would go to Dr's they would tell me it is all in my head.

Another thing to be prepared for, Dr's tend to treat women with

implants like total idiots that don't know anything. Or like we are

hypocondriacs. I mean I was a healthy runner, I ran 6 miles a day

everyday up to my surgery. I never could run again after my surgery.

Can that really be a coincidence. Can it be a coincidence that all of

us have the same werid symptoms, like neuro problems, dizziness,

brain fog, crawly feelings, burning skin, rashes, pain in our joints.

I know to someone with no health problems it is easy to say oh well

that can be from anything, but trust me, when you know your body so

well and your so in tune to it, eating right, working out, taking

such good care of my self, and then suddenly everything is screwed

up, and out of control, it is really easy to figure out the

connection. In fact working in the medical field helped me to put it

all together quite quickly. Other women I know seemed to take longer

to put it all together because they believed the Dr's who told them

it was not the implants.

When I found my plastic surgeon Dr Feng she assured me it was

extremely common and she has removed implants from over 1,000's of

women and seen so many with my exact symptoms and that if they had

leaking gel getting better was harder but that with saline there was

a good change with lots of hard work and time I could get well.

At any rate I am not 100% myself and not sure if I ever will be, but

I don't blame every little ache and pain on implants, I know what is

what and i do believe that some of my issues like my heel pain can be

from runnig too much or bad shoes etc. I know my ana being positive

and then returning to normal is def due to implants, that is a fact I

know.

Anyhow I encourage you to look around this site, not just at photos

either, look around at the links, the database, the files, there is

allot of good scientific information gathered here, not just

opoinions or feelings, but fact as well.

please check it all out before your final decision.

good luck

In , " tiffanysgirl2004 "

<temmy.broadwater@v...> wrote:

> Wow - Beth thank you-

>

> I knew the outer shell of the implant is silicone but I did not

know

> about the metal toxicity. You are right - Doctors should HAVE to

> explain all the risk a patient is taking as not many people know

how

> to or care to do their own research. We all tend to trust anyone

> with a Dr. before their names also. Thank you for your very

educated

> information. Ive talked to some women that blame everything and

> anything on implants and it's hard for me to make a decisionbased

on

> the real deal when I know that it's unreasonable to think they

> cause every problem you ever have post-implantation - you knowwhat

I

> mean? Makes it hard for me to trust and find the real information.

>

> I will look up tin toxicity among the other contents of the outter

> shell - I DID not know specifically what it contains - mostly you

> jsut hear a general - bad stuff - carcinogens (which are in

> EVERYTHING almost). I will go to the website you mentioned and

> really - thank you. You sound like a very intelligent and well

> informed lady Of course I am so very sorry to hear about your

> problems.

>

>

>

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from

> saline

> > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological

> > complications from my saline implants. If you go to the " files

> tab "

> > on the left nav, then to " implant and explant stories " , look

under

> > Beth.

> > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or

> > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into

the

> > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals are

> also

> > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you will

> see

> > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had 95%

> > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the

> > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems.

> > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with

> symptoms

> > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your health

> > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain

> > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver

> function.

> > You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com,

> > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone

> > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines.

> > I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine were

> > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give

true

> > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune

> > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this

> board

> > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups

before

> > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do

> have

> > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to

> > perform " en bloc " removal, or does this mean you will be spending

> > another $7000 to get them removed?

> > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of

> what

> > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some

> point,

> > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you

> would

> > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply

> > amazing at what they can do with what you already have!

> >

> > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions,

> > bethlakey@y...

> > Best wishes and good luck,

> > Beth

[Guest guest]

:

Hi and welcome.

BA can also leave one disfigured that was was not previously disfigured. I had ptosis from a crash diet and had I gone to a good PS who offered up vertical mastopexy as opposed to a BA, I would not be disfigured today.

If you get this BA, how you planned AHEAD to know how this surgeon will explant should the need arise?Have you discussed this with your PS? How a surgeon explants is important. I was left maimed as a result of my explant.

Have you discussed with your surgeon Capsular C and the need to go in and do other surgeries to remove it and how each time you go in more and more breast tissue is removed and that can lead to a mastectomy type of result?

My friend in AZ has silicone breast implants and has CC and is going for surgery number 3. I asked her to dump the BA altogether and just get a vertical mastopexy. She said she'd love to do that, problem is, with the CC removal, her breast tissue was removed as well so all she'd have are bags of skin. This was a woman who had lovely A size breasts and now she sees no way out from implants. She's sick from them too but would rather die now than to live with bags of skin as she's suffers from depression. I don't know what to tell her. She regrets going down this road as do I.It's too late for me, but not for you.

I'm 30, single and disfigured--I've lived this way for 5 years. There's no happy ending here thus far and I'm doubting more and more there will be one.

LMnaturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

you have to realize that we are not blaming all our health woes on our implants. I have said again and again quite honestly that I have some issues with tendonitis that I honestly cannot say or blame on implants for sure. What I do know though, is that my blood work went from normal, to having a high ANA test for lupus with implants to normal again after removal, that to me says allot.Also I know that within 2 months of my surgery I began to suffer allot of weird symptoms that no one seemed to know anything about and when I would go to Dr's they would tell me it is all in my head. Another thing to be prepared for, Dr's tend to treat women with implants like total idiots that don't know anything. Or like we are hypocondriacs. I mean I was a healthy runner, I ran 6 miles a day everyday up to my surgery. I never could run again

after my surgery. Can that really be a coincidence. Can it be a coincidence that all of us have the same werid symptoms, like neuro problems, dizziness, brain fog, crawly feelings, burning skin, rashes, pain in our joints. I know to someone with no health problems it is easy to say oh well that can be from anything, but trust me, when you know your body so well and your so in tune to it, eating right, working out, taking such good care of my self, and then suddenly everything is screwed up, and out of control, it is really easy to figure out the connection. In fact working in the medical field helped me to put it all together quite quickly. Other women I know seemed to take longer to put it all together because they believed the Dr's who told them it was not the implants.When I found my plastic surgeon Dr Feng she assured me it was extremely common and she has removed implants from over 1,000's of women and seen so many

with my exact symptoms and that if they had leaking gel getting better was harder but that with saline there was a good change with lots of hard work and time I could get well.At any rate I am not 100% myself and not sure if I ever will be, but I don't blame every little ache and pain on implants, I know what is what and i do believe that some of my issues like my heel pain can be from runnig too much or bad shoes etc. I know my ana being positive and then returning to normal is def due to implants, that is a fact I know.Anyhow I encourage you to look around this site, not just at photos either, look around at the links, the database, the files, there is allot of good scientific information gathered here, not just opoinions or feelings, but fact as well.please check it all out before your final decision.good luckIn , "tiffanysgirl2004"

wrote:> Wow - Beth thank you-> > I knew the outer shell of the implant is silicone but I did not know > about the metal toxicity. You are right - Doctors should HAVE to > explain all the risk a patient is taking as not many people know how > to or care to do their own research. We all tend to trust anyone > with a Dr. before their names also. Thank you for your very educated > information. Ive talked to some women that blame everything and > anything on implants and it's hard for me to make a decisionbased on > the real deal when I know that it's unreasonable to think they > cause every problem you ever have post-implantation - you knowwhat I > mean? Makes it hard for me to trust and find the real information. > > I will look up tin toxicity among the other contents of the outter > shell - I DID not know specifically what it contains

- mostly you > jsut hear a general - bad stuff - carcinogens (which are in > EVERYTHING almost). I will go to the website you mentioned and > really - thank you. You sound like a very intelligent and well > informed lady Of course I am so very sorry to hear about your > problems.> > > > > > Dear ,> > > > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from > saline > > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological > > complications from my saline implants. If you go to the "files > tab" > > on the left nav, then to "implant and explant stories", look under > > Beth.> > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or > > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into the

> > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals are > also > > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you will > see > > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had 95% > > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the > > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems.> > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with > symptoms > > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your health > > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain > > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver > function.> > You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com, > > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone > > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines. > > I understand your reasons

for wanting to get them; mine were > > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give true > > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune > > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this > board > > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups before > > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do > have > > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to > > perform "en bloc" removal, or does this mean you will be spending > > another $7000 to get them removed?> > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of > what > > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some > point, > > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you > would > > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are

simply > > amazing at what they can do with what you already have!> > > > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions, > > bethlakey@y...> > Best wishes and good luck,> > Beth

[Guest guest]

, I know for me, its hard not to blame all my illnesses and strange symtpoms on breast implants. I never has any problems my whole life, then boom,,,, chronic diseases. At a very young age! Please, my neurologist watched muscle twiching and jerks in my legs, under my skin, and in my arms.... and peripheal numbness with no explanation. Blood work, mri's, nerve conduction tests, to no avail... . She then watched me going through bells palsy attack, all at the same time. She had never seen so many symptoms of differnt diseases in such a young girl. And believed that my viral infections, were a cause from a supressed immnuity Then I got shingles... But what could be causing that? Aids? Dont have it. She finally told me after having symtpoms of ALS, MS and mixed connective tissue disease with a positive finding on rheuatoid arthritis and thyroid disease to get them out! It was the only reasonable explanation. I did,and all is gone. She is so stunned by these findings,s she stil calls me, when she has anew patient with another "unexplanied illness." Asking, like last week, :Did you have a severe stiff neck in the morning? " Now she lists on her new patient questionaire" Do you have silicone or Saline filled inplants' Her theory is that the infections along with toxins reak havoc very simular as Lymes disease does.

Its also all GOT BETTER when I got them out.Thats how I correlate almost all my problems with them, as when I had the implants-I had the symptoms. When I got them out- I dont have them. HMMMM My blood work, all the symptoms, everything. Gone. I wish I had some girls telling me all this in 1994. There realy wasnt internet available, and only a few things at the library. I talked to my doc, and even researched what little was out there. Icancelled the surgery three times, and finally though I was nuts to not go through with it. "Paranoid" If I would have heard one story, I would have not gotten it, as I was in such good health, and was all about that, and would never ever risk that.

, if I were you, I would cancel the surgery and give yourself 30 days. 30 days to go over everything. 30 days to make an informed decision, you are worth it! To read here, all our stories, and yes, if you need: even on pro sites. Gather up both sides for your peace of mind. To get all the info you possibly can, then at least you know all that there is. Go ot www.implants.out.com and also www.explantation.com and www.plastikos.com and read about it.Then the decison you make, is an informed one, and your choice Love,

>From: Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: victoria: B/A Friday 6/24 LONG >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:17:08 -0700 (PDT) > >: >Hi and welcome. >BA can also leave one disfigured that was was not previously disfigured. I had ptosis from a crash diet and had I gone to a good PS who offered up vertical mastopexy as opposed to a BA, I would not be disfigured today. > >If you get this BA, how you planned AHEAD to know how this surgeon will explant should the need arise?Have you discussed this with your PS? How a surgeon explants is important. I was left maimed as a result of my explant. > >Have you discussed with your surgeon Capsular C and the need to go in and do other surgeries to remove it and how each time you go in more and more breast tissue is removed and that can lead to a mastectomy type of result? > >My friend in AZ has silicone breast implants and has CC and is going for surgery number 3. I asked her to dump the BA altogether and just get a vertical mastopexy. She said she'd love to do that, problem is, with the CC removal, her breast tissue was removed as well so all she'd have are bags of skin. This was a woman who had lovely A size breasts and now she sees no way out from implants. She's sick from them too but would rather die now than to live with bags of skin as she's suffers from depression. I don't know what to tell her. She regrets going down this road as do I.It's too late for me, but not for you. > >I'm 30, single and disfigured--I've lived this way for 5 years. There's no happy ending here thus far and I'm doubting more and more there will be one. >LM > >naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote: > you have to realize that we are not blaming all our health >woes on our implants. I have said again and again quite honestly that >I have some issues with tendonitis that I honestly cannot say or >blame on implants for sure. What I do know though, is that my blood >work went from normal, to having a high ANA test for lupus with >implants to normal again after removal, that to me says allot. >Also I know that within 2 months of my surgery I began to suffer >allot of weird symptoms that no one seemed to know anything about and >when I would go to Dr's they would tell me it is all in my head. >Another thing to be prepared for, Dr's tend to treat women with >implants like total idiots that don't know anything. Or like we are >hypocondriacs. I mean I was a healthy runner, I ran 6 miles a day >everyday up to my surgery. I never could run again after my surgery. >Can that really be a coincidence. Can it be a coincidence that all of >us have the same werid symptoms, like neuro problems, dizziness, >brain fog, crawly feelings, burning skin, rashes, pain in our joints. >I know to someone with no health problems it is easy to say oh well >that can be from anything, but trust me, when you know your body so >well and your so in tune to it, eating right, working out, taking >such good care of my self, and then suddenly everything is screwed >up, and out of control, it is really easy to figure out the >connection. In fact working in the medical field helped me to put it >all together quite quickly. Other women I know seemed to take longer >to put it all together because they believed the Dr's who told them >it was not the implants. >When I found my plastic surgeon Dr Feng she assured me it was >extremely common and she has removed implants from over 1,000's of >women and seen so many with my exact symptoms and that if they had >leaking gel getting better was harder but that with saline there was >a good change with lots of hard work and time I could get well. >At any rate I am not 100% myself and not sure if I ever will be, but >I don't blame every little ache and pain on implants, I know what is >what and i do believe that some of my issues like my heel pain can be >from runnig too much or bad shoes etc. I know my ana being positive >and then returning to normal is def due to implants, that is a fact I >know. >Anyhow I encourage you to look around this site, not just at photos >either, look around at the links, the database, the files, there is >allot of good scientific information gathered here, not just >opoinions or feelings, but fact as well. >please check it all out before your final decision. >good luck > > > > > > > > > > >In , "tiffanysgirl2004" >wrote: > > Wow - Beth thank you- > > > > I knew the outer shell of the implant is silicone but I did not >know > > about the metal toxicity. You are right - Doctors should HAVE to > > explain all the risk a patient is taking as not many people know >how > > to or care to do their own research. We all tend to trust anyone > > with a Dr. before their names also. Thank you for your very >educated > > information. Ive talked to some women that blame everything and > > anything on implants and it's hard for me to make a decisionbased >on > > the real deal when I know that it's unreasonable to think they > > cause every problem you ever have post-implantation - you knowwhat >I > > mean? Makes it hard for me to trust and find the real information. > > > > I will look up tin toxicity among the other contents of the outter > > shell - I DID not know specifically what it contains - mostly you > > jsut hear a general - bad stuff - carcinogens (which are in > > EVERYTHING almost). I will go to the website you mentioned and > > really - thank you. You sound like a very intelligent and well > > informed lady Of course I am so very sorry to hear about your > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from > > saline > > > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological > > > complications from my saline implants. If you go to the "files > > tab" > > > on the left nav, then to "implant and explant stories", look >under > > > Beth. > > > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or > > > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into >the > > > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals are > > also > > > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you will > > see > > > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had 95% > > > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the > > > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems. > > > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with > > symptoms > > > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your health > > > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain > > > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver > > function. > > > You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com, > > > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone > > > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines. > > > I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine were > > > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give >true > > > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune > > > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this > > board > > > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups >before > > > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do > > have > > > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to > > > perform "en bloc" removal, or does this mean you will be spending > > > another $7000 to get them removed? > > > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of > > what > > > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some > > point, > > > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you > > would > > > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply > > > amazing at what they can do with what you already have! > > > > > > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions, > > > bethlakey@y... > > > Best wishes and good luck, > > > Beth > > > > >

[Guest guest]

No no - you misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to anything you or

anyone has said here. In fact this is one of the best implant

problem sites I have visited. Like I said I haven't found until now

a lot of info on specifically saline. I was referring to some other

sites where I asked questions and some of the things I heard verged

on ridiculous. I have a lot of medical knowledge so I know at least

some of the things I have heard ELSEWHERE are pushing the envelope.

Things like people needing reading glasses when they are now in

their fourties and blame their twenty year old implants ot people

how have had other normal aging conditions at an appropriate age. I

have even been yelled off the board for considering it - that

dosen't make much sense coming from someone who had them.

You have to understand that I AM not " set " in my decision like you

said. I wouldn't be here if I were! I have to tell you the facts as

I know them and if the facts seem defensive - well they aren't -

they are just facts. I think you all sounds very caring and

supportive and the advice and information you are giving me means a

lot and weighs a great deal on my decision. Mt " cute " clothes are a

large part of who I am - a designer eats breathes and drinks

clothing. It's not even close to the vanity issue one may think.

I get just as fed up with the girls on the support site for getting

implants when they jump on someone who posts about how they had

major regrets and hope people think harder about this. I'm not here

talling you all how I'm getting implants weather you like it or not

and that I think you're all crazy - I'm here to listen to your side!

If you think it won't matter to me - you're wrong it does!

I'm a soft person and try to know that my tone is always soft and I

mean things in the gentlest way. It's hard to know someones tone in

text - and I just want you to know that mine is the utmost of

respect and kindness!

Thank you again

> > > Dear ,

> > >

> > > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from

> > saline

> > > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological

> > > complications from my saline implants. If you go to

the " files

> > tab "

> > > on the left nav, then to " implant and explant stories " , look

> under

> > > Beth.

> > > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or

> > > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into

> the

> > > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals

are

> > also

> > > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you

will

> > see

> > > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had

95%

> > > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the

> > > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems.

> > > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with

> > symptoms

> > > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your

health

> > > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain

> > > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver

> > function.

> > > You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com,

> > > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone

> > > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines.

> > > I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine

were

> > > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give

> true

> > > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune

> > > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this

> > board

> > > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups

> before

> > > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do

> > have

> > > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to

> > > perform " en bloc " removal, or does this mean you will be

spending

> > > another $7000 to get them removed?

> > > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of

> > what

> > > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some

> > point,

> > > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you

> > would

> > > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply

> > > amazing at what they can do with what you already have!

> > >

> > > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions,

> > > bethlakey@y...

> > > Best wishes and good luck,

> > > Beth

[Guest guest]

Thank you -

AS I said to - I was kinda misunderstood - I was referring to

anything I have heard here today. I have heard things that were

utterly absurd elsewhere and that made id hard for me to find good

real information. Information like you just gave me. I am definatley

weighing evedrything I am told and yes - I do take in the " pro "

sites also - or it woulnd't be really truly educated information.

There's are alot of people who I've talked to that have no health

problems. Period. But that doesn't change the fact that there are

plenty of people like you out there that have certainly had

problems. What I am hearing that is new here - is that these

problems are very real for SALINE. I knew that it was said over and

over but I had to find a forum wherecould hear it from the peopple

who have suffered withouth the radical overwhelming speeches that

don't make a whoile lot of sense. I'm sure you have seen sites that

I have exerienced that are so over the top they stop being helpful

to people like me because you can't jam thing down people's throats

and expect them to believe you any more than people who are so nieve

they think that NO ONE gets sick from implants and we should all

have em!

Your post is SO helpful and I thank you for the links and you know

you gave mne an idea to call my uncle - he's cheif of surery for six

area hospitals and let him set me up with an infectious disease or

autoimmune expert and see what they have to say. See how many people

they see with implants and such...

Thank you!

>

[Guest guest]

your absolutley right here, it is impossible not to blame all

those kind of freaky problems on the implants, you were so young and

healthy what the hell else could it be. People want to make us out to

be the bad ones, oh well she could have had all that happen anyhow,

but really a 26 year old girl as healthy as you just suddenly gets

all this weird stuff going on, not likely. I like your idea of her

waiting 30 days and doing tons of research and then, after 30 days if

you, can honestly say your willing to take on all these

risks, knowing all the facts and the things from both sides, then by

all means at least you will be going in there armed with the

knowledge that you were warned and that you believe you will be ok.

that is the best idea so far.

30 days is not that long and I am sure your PS will be happy to hold

on to a spot for you for 30 days.

give yourself that one month to really be sure your ready to do this.

I feel god led you here, for a reason.

let us know

In , " JOSEPH PALANCA " <juliejp61@m...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

, Im here for you ,and dont take any of it that way. I am very proud of how you are trying like mad to become well educated on both ends. Alot of women fall into the "sales pitch" or the trap right away, only later to feel fooled. Good luck, and God Bless with your decision Love,

>From: "tiffanysgirl2004" <temmy.broadwater@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: victoria: B/A Friday 6/24 LONG >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:09:15 -0000 > >No no - you misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to anything you or >anyone has said here. In fact this is one of the best implant >problem sites I have visited. Like I said I haven't found until now >a lot of info on specifically saline. I was referring to some other >sites where I asked questions and some of the things I heard verged >on ridiculous. I have a lot of medical knowledge so I know at least >some of the things I have heard ELSEWHERE are pushing the envelope. >Things like people needing reading glasses when they are now in >their fourties and blame their twenty year old implants ot people >how have had other normal aging conditions at an appropriate age. I >have even been yelled off the board for considering it - that >dosen't make much sense coming from someone who had them. > >You have to understand that I AM not "set" in my decision like you >said. I wouldn't be here if I were! I have to tell you the facts as >I know them and if the facts seem defensive - well they aren't - >they are just facts. I think you all sounds very caring and >supportive and the advice and information you are giving me means a >lot and weighs a great deal on my decision. Mt "cute" clothes are a >large part of who I am - a designer eats breathes and drinks >clothing. It's not even close to the vanity issue one may think. > >I get just as fed up with the girls on the support site for getting >implants when they jump on someone who posts about how they had >major regrets and hope people think harder about this. I'm not here >talling you all how I'm getting implants weather you like it or not >and that I think you're all crazy - I'm here to listen to your side! >If you think it won't matter to me - you're wrong it does! > >I'm a soft person and try to know that my tone is always soft and I >mean things in the gentlest way. It's hard to know someones tone in >text - and I just want you to know that mine is the utmost of >respect and kindness! > > >Thank you again > > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > > > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from > > > saline > > > > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from neurological > > > > complications from my saline implants. If you go to >the "files > > > tab" > > > > on the left nav, then to "implant and explant stories", look > > under > > > > Beth. > > > > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or > > > > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go into > > the > > > > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals >are > > > also > > > > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you >will > > > see > > > > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had >95% > > > > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the > > > > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems. > > > > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with > > > symptoms > > > > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your >health > > > > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick. Certain > > > > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver > > > function. > > > > You can get more information at http://www.plastikos.com, > > > > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone > > > > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines. > > > > I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine >were > > > > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give > > true > > > > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune > > > > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this > > > board > > > > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups > > before > > > > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you do > > > have > > > > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to > > > > perform "en bloc" removal, or does this mean you will be >spending > > > > another $7000 to get them removed? > > > > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless of > > > what > > > > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some > > > point, > > > > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you > > > would > > > > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply > > > > amazing at what they can do with what you already have! > > > > > > > > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions, > > > > bethlakey@y... > > > > Best wishes and good luck, > > > > Beth > > > >

[Guest guest]

I believe what your saying and I agree that sometimes things

can verge on being rediculous, reading glasses at 40 is normal, ha

ha , I am almost there and I would not blame implants on that issue.

I also believe that I too try to be soft in my posts but many times

come off hard and others don't really see that I am a soft person in

my heart, and loving and kind and giving too of my time to be here on

this site as much as I can to help ladies like you. I am a bit

opinionated and that has allot of people misunderstanding me too. I

am a fashion freak and I love clothes, if you checked out the idaho

get together pics I went out in a hot pink backless top with no pads

or anything and it was so empowering to do that. I felt beautiful,

and most of the time I would never do that, I have every kind of pad

and stick om boobs and all that stuff but that day with those women I

felt I could be me and just be flat, and I felt sexy and beauiful. I

don't agree that you will have to hide your body if you don't get

implants. I think there are ways around everything. I have almost no

boobs but I do believe that a consult with Dr Feng would be a good

idea, I bet she could help you to look better, a combo of laser for

the stretch marks and some kind of mini lift or some of that fat

transfer that could work. It would be worth a call to her office at

least just to see what she thinks. get a few opinions, see if there

are options that you may not know about.

I truly believe your not here to do anything but get educated and I

want to help you to get that education any way I can. I would do

anything to help you to keep from making what i fear is a huge

mistake.

How bout s idea of giving yourself 30 more days before you get

the implants. That is a good one.

Trust us, we are not out to be mean either, if my post came off

different than I meant it is once again I have a hard time

articulating my feelings often without someone misreading them. I

understand everything your saying, I just happen to believe that

there is a solution for all your problems without having to get

implants, I really do. You may not ever have big breasts, but I think

you can wear allot of sexy clothes and look good in them, a mini lift

with just a small amount of the skin and stretch marks removed might

do the trick or some laser treatments. Explore the options before you

go under the knife and risk long term suffereing.

I know having been there that I would be miserable with my pre

implant breasts too, but now these little perky ones I don't mind. I

do not mind being flat as long as I am fit, it matches my figure.

Try the 30 day thing

please

hugs

, " tiffanysgirl2004 "

<temmy.broadwater@v...> wrote:

> No no - you misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to anything you or

> anyone has said here. In fact this is one of the best implant

> problem sites I have visited. Like I said I haven't found until now

> a lot of info on specifically saline. I was referring to some other

> sites where I asked questions and some of the things I heard verged

> on ridiculous. I have a lot of medical knowledge so I know at least

> some of the things I have heard ELSEWHERE are pushing the envelope.

> Things like people needing reading glasses when they are now in

> their fourties and blame their twenty year old implants ot people

> how have had other normal aging conditions at an appropriate age. I

> have even been yelled off the board for considering it - that

> dosen't make much sense coming from someone who had them.

>

> You have to understand that I AM not " set " in my decision like you

> said. I wouldn't be here if I were! I have to tell you the facts as

> I know them and if the facts seem defensive - well they aren't -

> they are just facts. I think you all sounds very caring and

> supportive and the advice and information you are giving me means a

> lot and weighs a great deal on my decision. Mt " cute " clothes are a

> large part of who I am - a designer eats breathes and drinks

> clothing. It's not even close to the vanity issue one may think.

>

> I get just as fed up with the girls on the support site for getting

> implants when they jump on someone who posts about how they had

> major regrets and hope people think harder about this. I'm not here

> talling you all how I'm getting implants weather you like it or not

> and that I think you're all crazy - I'm here to listen to your

side!

> If you think it won't matter to me - you're wrong it does!

>

> I'm a soft person and try to know that my tone is always soft and I

> mean things in the gentlest way. It's hard to know someones tone in

> text - and I just want you to know that mine is the utmost of

> respect and kindness!

>

>

> Thank you again

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > Dear ,

> > > >

> > > > I just wanted you to know that autoimmune diseases from

> > > saline

> > > > implants are very real. I was seriously ill from

neurological

> > > > complications from my saline implants. If you go to

> the " files

> > > tab "

> > > > on the left nav, then to " implant and explant stories " , look

> > under

> > > > Beth.

> > > > All implants are silicone, filled with either saline or

> > > > silicone gel. And there are many other chemicals that go

into

> > the

> > > > mix. I think Patty has that info some where. Heavy metals

> are

> > > also

> > > > used as a catalyst. If you look under my photos, Beth, you

> will

> > > see

> > > > a hair analysis which was done after I had my explant. I had

> 95%

> > > > tin toxicity, which my doctor says was tin leaking from the

> > > > implants, the most probable cause of my neurological problems.

> > > > Today I am mostly better, but am still struggling with

> > > symptoms

> > > > of MS (tested negative). It is very hard work to get your

> health

> > > > back. It is impossible to predict who will get sick.

Certain

> > > > genetic types seem to play a factor as well as proper liver

> > > function.

> > > > You can get more information at

http://www.plastikos.com,

> > > > scroll down to the middle table and look at the silicone

> > > > newsletters. The same symptoms also apply to the salines.

> > > > I understand your reasons for wanting to get them; mine

> were

> > > > the same. What hurts me is when plastic surgeons do not give

> > true

> > > > informed consent, which includes information about autoimmune

> > > > illness. I know that many of our doctors recommended on this

> > > board

> > > > give true informed consent and also do full medical workups

> > before

> > > > implanting. Also, please consider what would happen if you

do

> > > have

> > > > a reaction to them? Does your plastic surgeon know how to

> > > > perform " en bloc " removal, or does this mean you will be

> spending

> > > > another $7000 to get them removed?

> > > > Implants were never meant to last a lifetime, regardless

of

> > > what

> > > > they tell you. You must plan on additional surgeries at some

> > > point,

> > > > and in the end, you must decide if it's worth it. I wish you

> > > would

> > > > consider a lift. Many of our recommended surgeons are simply

> > > > amazing at what they can do with what you already have!

> > > >

> > > > Feel free to email me personally if you have any questions,

> > > > bethlakey@y...

> > > > Best wishes and good luck,

> > > > Beth

[Guest guest]

Exactly, and I have healed everything else but this one issue so it

sure is strange! Most injuries have a way of healing but this heel

thing is just so stubborn. I have thought so many times it is gone

only to have it return. It sucks. I can wear high heels with no pain

but whenever I try to put on flat shoes forget it, that pain is there

to remind me. It sucks.

Anyhow yes 30 days is great I think it will help to explore so many

other options out there for you . I am so glad you came here.

As you can see we are not a group of crazy anti implant psychos, we

are a group of real women who are just trying to share what we went

through in the hope of helping even just one woman out there from

going through what we have.

Trust me, I wish I had found a site like this. I would have def still

had work done on my breasts, not implants though.

I was already scared about them to begin with

One thing I have to warn you that most Dr's will not verify

or even admit there is anything wrong with implants, so your talking

with a few infectious disease Docs may not yield much information.

Sorry but that is the truth

hugs

In , " JOSEPH PALANCA " <juliejp61@m...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome . Take your time, and make your own. Just know, you are welcome to stay here as long as you like. Good luck- Love,

>From: "tiffanysgirl2004" <temmy.broadwater@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: victoria: B/A Friday 6/24 LONG >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:20:50 -0000 > >Thank you - > >AS I said to - I was kinda misunderstood - I was referring to >anything I have heard here today. I have heard things that were >utterly absurd elsewhere and that made id hard for me to find good >real information. Information like you just gave me. I am definatley >weighing evedrything I am told and yes - I do take in the "pro" >sites also - or it woulnd't be really truly educated information. >There's are alot of people who I've talked to that have no health >problems. Period. But that doesn't change the fact that there are >plenty of people like you out there that have certainly had >problems. What I am hearing that is new here - is that these >problems are very real for SALINE. I knew that it was said over and >over but I had to find a forum wherecould hear it from the peopple >who have suffered withouth the radical overwhelming speeches that >don't make a whoile lot of sense. I'm sure you have seen sites that >I have exerienced that are so over the top they stop being helpful >to people like me because you can't jam thing down people's throats >and expect them to believe you any more than people who are so nieve >they think that NO ONE gets sick from implants and we should all >have em! > >Your post is SO helpful and I thank you for the links and you know >you gave mne an idea to call my uncle - he's cheif of surery for six >area hospitals and let him set me up with an infectious disease or >autoimmune expert and see what they have to say. See how many people >they see with implants and such... > >Thank you! > > > > > > > > >