RE: Children's Health Advisors

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Wow! All this on a Band 4! Thanks for bringing it to our attention . Of course 'team leader' is a term used for health visitor in areas where there is a very dilute skillmix, in some areas on Band 7 (that was a clever move to reduce the objections to increased skillmix a few years ago), and I note that daily communication with that person is required, albeit not necessarily face-to-face. Is this an NHS post, or in Children's centre/local authority? I would be interested to know how similar this is to the JD of other community nursery nurses. best wishesOn 28 Jan 2012, at 09:26, hwood@... wrote: I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one which caught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts. Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community with HVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they are responsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of the work is surprising too - this is from the JD: POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVES OBJECTIVES The post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*, for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision. The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of the Healthy Child Programme (0-19) The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common Assessment Framework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerable children and their families Working to Trust policies and procedures. The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partner organizations, particularly schools and children´s centres to promote a culture of integrated working in order to improve outcomes for children and their families The Children´s Health Advisor will assist in the identification of needs in order to promote the health and well being of children within the caseload The Children´s Health Advisor will support programmes to improve public health, particularly those related to breast feeding, healthy eating and weight and parenting skills The Children´s Health Advisor will work consistently to deliver improved outcomes based on the objectives of the Dorset Children and Young People´s Plan. TASKS Be aware of, conversant with and maintain up to date knowledge of Inter-agency Safeguarding Procedures. Attend and contribute to Child Protection initial and review Case Conferences where appropriate with the named nurse, in line with local guidelines and in discussion with the Manager. To work within the Dorset Overarching Information Sharing Protocol To initiate and participate in the Common Assessment Framework process including the Lead Professional role where appropriate. The planning and implementation of all routine developmental checks, for which the post holder will receive training as outlined by the Healthy Child Programme. This will be delegated by but with minimum supervision from, the named nurse/health visitor. Where health needs identified these are assessed and in consultation with the named nurse, a Health Care Plan implemented. The planning and implementation of population growth monitoring of designated groups of children ensuring that all data is recorded accurately. Ensure that growth monitoring equipment is kept in good working order and that they are calibrated regularly and reporting any breakages in a timely fashion. Refers to and accepts referrals from and interacts with the multi- agency team, under the guidance of the health visitor or school nurse. These contacts may be in person, by telephone or in writing on a daily basis. Attends team meetings as appropriate Communicates factual information to staff/patients and carers with different levels of understanding. This information may be complex or sensitive in nature. Uses appropriate communication style and empathy to deal with these situations. Give advice and support to parents, pupils and teaching staff on health related matters, where appropriate including drop ins in various settings including the home and act as a client advocate where appropriate Plan and implement Health Promotion activity, both for individuals and groups: within the local and national Public Health agenda with particular reference to the promotion of breastfeeding and appropriate weaning, the prevention of childhood obesity and promoting parenting skills in conjunction with partner agencies particularly children´s centres and schools Use resources effectively Share knowledge with colleagues. As part of the children and family health services team, participate in needs analysis activity. In accordance with Trust guidelines, ensure all client related contacts are recorded contemporaneously in the appropriate child health record Participate in own job development review to develop a personal development plan. Assist in the support of junior or less experienced colleagues as required. Attend clinical supervision and safeguarding supervision as directed. Reports in writing any adverse incidents within the appropriate time scale Attend statutory and mandatory training. Completion and return of statistics and audit requirements. Ensure that professional equipment is maintained in good working order. Any other duties commensurate to the pay band and as requested by the Manager. ____________________________________ * I'm not sure what the 'named nurse' is. Is this typical? It looks like the full public health role with fairly comprehensive autonomy to me. Is this a half-price reinvention of health visiting without the bother of registered practitioners? Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Straightforward NHS - It's West and North Dorset and currently on NHS

Jobs.

From: Cowley <sarahcowley183@...>

Date sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:08:32 +0000

Subject: Re: Children's Health Advisors

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Wow! All this on a Band 4! Thanks for bringing it to our attention

. Of course 'team leader' is a term used for health visitor

in areas where there is a very dilute skillmix, in some areas on Band

7 (that was a clever move to reduce the objections to increased

skillmix a few years ago), and I note that daily communication with

that person is required, albeit not necessarily face-to-face. Is

this an NHS post, or in Children's centre/local authority? I would

be interested to know how similar this is to the JD of other

community nursery nurses. best wishes

On 28 Jan 2012, at 09:26, hwood@... wrote:

I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one which

caught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts.

Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community with

HVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they are

responsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of the

work is surprising too - this is from the JD:

POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVES

OBJECTIVES

The post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*,

for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision.

The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of the

Healthy Child Programme (0-19)

The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common Assessment

Framework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerable

children and their families

Working to Trust policies and procedures.

The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partner

o

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Hi That is really interesting where it comes from – I am going to do some detective work and follow up. Will be down there the week after next and I know they have had problems with managers not understanding the role of the HV – so interesting Will report back Margaret From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of hwood@...Sent: 28 January 2012 14:42 Subject: Re: Children's Health Advisors Straightforward NHS - It's West and North Dorset and currently on NHS Jobs. From: Cowley <sarahcowley183@...>Date sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:08:32 +0000Subject: Re: Children's Health AdvisorsSend reply to: Wow! All this on a Band 4! Thanks for bringing it to our attention . Of course 'team leader' is a term used for health visitor in areas where there is a very dilute skillmix, in some areas on Band 7 (that was a clever move to reduce the objections to increased skillmix a few years ago), and I note that daily communication with that person is required, albeit not necessarily face-to-face. Is this an NHS post, or in Children's centre/local authority? I would be interested to know how similar this is to the JD of other community nursery nurses. best wishes On 28 Jan 2012, at 09:26, hwood@... wrote: I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one whichcaught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts.Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community withHVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they areresponsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of thework is surprising too - this is from the JD:POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVESOBJECTIVESThe post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*,for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision.The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of theHealthy Child Programme (0-19)The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common AssessmentFramework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerablechildren and their familiesWorking to Trust policies and procedures.The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partnero

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Hi Margaret!

I remember when East Dorset was a centre of excellence, But the NHS

changes every 18-20 months or so these days. It's all a bit like

Stalin's purges when he finally lost contact with reality.

" " < >

From: Margaret Buttigieg <margaret@...>

Date sent: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:21:02 -0500

Subject: RE: Children's Health Advisors

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Hi

That is really interesting where it comes from - I am going to do

some detective work and follow up.

Will be down there the week after next and I know they have had

problems with managers not understanding the role of the HV - so

interesting

Will report back

Margaret

From: [mailto:SENATE-

HVSN ] On Behalf Of hwood@...

Sent: 28 January 2012 14:42

Subject: Re: [sENAT

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Hi

I will try to scan and email down my CNN job description for a band 4 in

Scotland, I'm not back in the office until the 21st of February but will try to

get it done then.

The CHA job description looks very worrying to me, health visiting on the

cheap. Especially the issue of the Lead Professional and also the planning and

development of ALL routine health checks? Surely they can's expect a band 4 to

take that on.

As I've said before SNNB/NNEB's, while a highly talented bunch of individuals,

should not be asked to take on that role, that's not where our strengths lie.

We are here to support our HV/SN colleagues not replace them.

It's worrying how many of the routine contacts for core families we are taking

on already. I strongly believe the HV/SN should be doing more not less of them

in order to establish and retain the practitioner/client relationship, we should

be there for general health promotion things like weaning groups, massage,

parenting and play groups, sleep groups etc etc and to support individual

families with a high level of need as identified by the HV/SN. But how can

these needs be accurately identified and assessed if there are lots of different

people going into a family in the early days, it doesn't make for easy

relationship building.

a worrying time for CNNs and HVs

Lesley

>

> > I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one which

> > caught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts.

> >

> > Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community with

> > HVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they are

> > responsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of the

> > work is surprising too - this is from the JD:

> >

> > POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVES

> >

> > OBJECTIVES

> >

> > The post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*,

> > for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision.

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of the

> > Healthy Child Programme (0-19)

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common Assessment

> > Framework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerable

> > children and their families

> >

> > Working to Trust policies and procedures.

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partner

> > organizations, particularly schools and children´s centres to promote

> > a culture of integrated working in order to improve outcomes for

> > children and their families

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will assist in the identification of

> > needs in order to promote the health and well being of children

> > within the caseload

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will support programmes to improve

> > public health, particularly those related to breast feeding, healthy

> > eating and weight and parenting skills

> >

> > The Children´s Health Advisor will work consistently to deliver

> > improved outcomes based on the objectives of the Dorset Children and

> > Young People´s Plan.

> >

> > TASKS

> >

> > Be aware of, conversant with and maintain up to date knowledge of

> > Inter-agency Safeguarding Procedures. Attend and contribute to Child

> > Protection initial and review Case Conferences where appropriate with

> > the named nurse, in line with local guidelines and in discussion with

> > the Manager.

> >

> > To work within the Dorset Overarching Information Sharing Protocol

> >

> > To initiate and participate in the Common Assessment Framework

> > process including the Lead Professional role where appropriate.

> >

> > The planning and implementation of all routine developmental checks,

> > for which the post holder will receive training as outlined by the

> > Healthy Child Programme. This will be delegated by but with minimum

> > supervision from, the named nurse/health visitor. Where health needs

> > identified these are assessed and in consultation with the named

> > nurse, a Health Care Plan implemented.

> >

> > The planning and implementation of population growth monitoring of

> > designated groups of children ensuring that all data is recorded

> > accurately.

> >

> > Ensure that growth monitoring equipment is kept in good working order

> > and that they are calibrated regularly and reporting any breakages in

> > a timely fashion.

> >

> > Refers to and accepts referrals from and interacts with the multi-

> > agency team, under the guidance of the health visitor or school

> > nurse. These contacts may be in person, by telephone or in writing on

> > a daily basis.

> >

> > Attends team meetings as appropriate

> >

> > Communicates factual information to staff/patients and carers with

> > different levels of understanding. This information may be complex or

> > sensitive in nature. Uses appropriate communication style and

> > empathy to deal with these situations.

> >

> > Give advice and support to parents, pupils and teaching staff on

> > health related matters, where appropriate including drop ins in

> > various settings including the home and act as a client advocate

> > where appropriate

> >

> > Plan and implement Health Promotion activity, both for individuals

> > and groups: within the local and national Public Health agenda with

> > particular reference to the promotion of breastfeeding and

> > appropriate weaning, the prevention of childhood obesity and

> > promoting parenting skills in conjunction with partner agencies

> > particularly children´s centres and schools

> >

> > Use resources effectively

> >

> > Share knowledge with colleagues.

> >

> > As part of the children and family health services team, participate

> > in needs analysis activity.

> >

> > In accordance with Trust guidelines, ensure all client related

> > contacts are recorded contemporaneously in the appropriate child

> > health record

> >

> > Participate in own job development review to develop a personal

> > development plan. Assist in the support of junior or less experienced

> > colleagues as required.

> >

> > Attend clinical supervision and safeguarding supervision as directed.

> >

> > Reports in writing any adverse incidents within the appropriate time

> > scale

> >

> > Attend statutory and mandatory training.

> >

> > Completion and return of statistics and audit requirements.

> >

> > Ensure that professional equipment is maintained in good working

> > order.

> >

> > Any other duties commensurate to the pay band and as requested by the

> > Manager.

> >

> > ____________________________________

> >

> > * I'm not sure what the 'named nurse' is.

> >

> > Is this typical? It looks like the full public health role with

> > fairly comprehensive autonomy to me.

> >

> > Is this a half-price reinvention of health visiting without the

> > bother of registered practitioners?

> >

> >

> >

>

> Cowley

> sarahcowley183@...

> http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

>

[Guest guest]

Hey,

Perhaps the odd things going on in the South West represent the cutting edge and foretell the shape of things to come.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/15/devon-nhs-childrens-services-privatisation

Owen was badgering for the Risk Assessment for the Bill passed yesterday.

I’d like to see the Gant Chart that they keep in the DoH that outlines how we get from the NHS as we’ve known it to the “better than privatisation “ model to which they’ve been striving for the best part of fifteen years. (Syphon economics)

Destroying national pay and conditions is required to make the new system work at a profitable level.

As was co-payments (Alan ) and poorer pensions.

I used to think these guys are making it up as they go along but once you get the Gant Chart thing in your head it becomes impossible not to see each of the changes as just another line on the chart.

The above link was put out on a Friday and by Monday it had been swamped and no one mentioned it at work.

The PR boys that are now in charge are masters of the art.

The big boys won’t come in for a while yet but soon they’ll be invited in to save the day.

Best wishes to all,

Terry McGinn

From: hwood@...

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:26 AM

sENATE-HVSN

Subject: Children's Health Advisors

I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one which caught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts.Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community with HVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they are responsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of the work is surprising too - this is from the JD:POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVES OBJECTIVESThe post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*, for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision. The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of the Healthy Child Programme (0-19)The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common Assessment Framework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerable children and their familiesWorking to Trust policies and procedures.The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partner organizations, particularly schools and children´s centres to promote a culture of integrated working in order to improve outcomes for children and their familiesThe Children´s Health Advisor will assist in the identification of needs in order to promote the health and well being of children within the caseloadThe Children´s Health Advisor will support programmes to improve public health, particularly those related to breast feeding, healthy eating and weight and parenting skillsThe Children´s Health Advisor will work consistently to deliver improved outcomes based on the objectives of the Dorset Children and Young People´s Plan.TASKS Be aware of, conversant with and maintain up to date knowledge of Inter-agency Safeguarding Procedures. Attend and contribute to Child Protection initial and review Case Conferences where appropriate with the named nurse, in line with local guidelines and in discussion with the Manager.To work within the Dorset Overarching Information Sharing ProtocolTo initiate and participate in the Common Assessment Framework process including the Lead Professional role where appropriate.The planning and implementation of all routine developmental checks, for which the post holder will receive training as outlined by the Healthy Child Programme. This will be delegated by but with minimum supervision from, the named nurse/health visitor. Where health needs identified these are assessed and in consultation with the named nurse, a Health Care Plan implemented.The planning and implementation of population growth monitoring of designated groups of children ensuring that all data is recorded accurately.Ensure that growth monitoring equipment is kept in good working order and that they are calibrated regularly and reporting any breakages in a timely fashion.Refers to and accepts referrals from and interacts with the multi-agency team, under the guidance of the health visitor or school nurse. These contacts may be in person, by telephone or in writing on a daily basis.Attends team meetings as appropriateCommunicates factual information to staff/patients and carers with different levels of understanding. This information may be complex or sensitive in nature. Uses appropriate communication style and empathy to deal with these situations.Give advice and support to parents, pupils and teaching staff on health related matters, where appropriate including drop ins in various settings including the home and act as a client advocate where appropriatePlan and implement Health Promotion activity, both for individuals and groups: within the local and national Public Health agenda with particular reference to the promotion of breastfeeding and appropriate weaning, the prevention of childhood obesity and promoting parenting skills in conjunction with partner agencies particularly children´s centres and schoolsUse resources effectively Share knowledge with colleagues.As part of the children and family health services team, participate in needs analysis activity.In accordance with Trust guidelines, ensure all client related contacts are recorded contemporaneously in the appropriate child health record Participate in own job development review to develop a personal development plan. Assist in the support of junior or less experienced colleagues as required. Attend clinical supervision and safeguarding supervision as directed.Reports in writing any adverse incidents within the appropriate time scaleAttend statutory and mandatory training. Completion and return of statistics and audit requirements.Ensure that professional equipment is maintained in good working order.Any other duties commensurate to the pay band and as requested by the Manager.____________________________________* I'm not sure what the 'named nurse' is.Is this typical? It looks like the full public health role with fairly comprehensive autonomy to me.Is this a half-price reinvention of health visiting without the bother of registered practitioners?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Terry - useful analysis. I think you are right!On 21 Mar 2012, at 09:47, TERRY MCGINN wrote: Hey, Perhaps the odd things going on in the South West represent the cutting edge and foretell the shape of things to come. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/15/devon-nhs-childrens-services-privatisation Owen was badgering for the Risk Assessment for the Bill passed yesterday. I’d like to see the Gant Chart that they keep in the DoH that outlines how we get from the NHS as we’ve known it to the “better than privatisation “ model to which they’ve been striving for the best part of fifteen years. (Syphon economics) Destroying national pay and conditions is required to make the new system work at a profitable level. As was co-payments (Alan ) and poorer pensions. I used to think these guys are making it up as they go along but once you get the Gant Chart thing in your head it becomes impossible not to see each of the changes as just another line on the chart. The above link was put out on a Friday and by Monday it had been swamped and no one mentioned it at work. The PR boys that are now in charge are masters of the art. The big boys won’t come in for a while yet but soon they’ll be invited in to save the day. Best wishes to all, Terry McGinn From: hwood@... Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:26 AM sENATE-HVSN Subject: Children's Health Advisors I get those emailed job ads from time to time. This was one which caught my eye because I'd never heard of such posts.Turns out, it's the new name for NNEBs working in the community with HVs. They don't seem to report to a health visitor though - they are responsible to the team leader directly on Band 4. The scope of the work is surprising too - this is from the JD:POST SPECIFIC, TASKS AND OBJECTIVES OBJECTIVESThe post holder will carry out tasks delegated by the named nurse*, for the day to day provision of client care with minimal supervision. The Children´s Health Advisor will support the delivery of the Healthy Child Programme (0-19)The Children´s Health Advisor will use the Common Assessment Framework (CAF) to promote integrated service delivery to vulnerable children and their familiesWorking to Trust policies and procedures.The Children´s Health Advisor will work closely with partner organizations, particularly schools and children´s centres to promote a culture of integrated working in order to improve outcomes for children and their familiesThe Children´s Health Advisor will assist in the identification of needs in order to promote the health and well being of children within the caseloadThe Children´s Health Advisor will support programmes to improve public health, particularly those related to breast feeding, healthy eating and weight and parenting skillsThe Children´s Health Advisor will work consistently to deliver improved outcomes based on the objectives of the Dorset Children and Young People´s Plan.TASKS Be aware of, conversant with and maintain up to date knowledge of Inter-agency Safeguarding Procedures. Attend and contribute to Child Protection initial and review Case Conferences where appropriate with the named nurse, in line with local guidelines and in discussion with the Manager.To work within the Dorset Overarching Information Sharing ProtocolTo initiate and participate in the Common Assessment Framework process including the Lead Professional role where appropriate.The planning and implementation of all routine developmental checks, for which the post holder will receive training as outlined by the Healthy Child Programme. This will be delegated by but with minimum supervision from, the named nurse/health visitor. Where health needs identified these are assessed and in consultation with the named nurse, a Health Care Plan implemented.The planning and implementation of population growth monitoring of designated groups of children ensuring that all data is recorded accurately.Ensure that growth monitoring equipment is kept in good working order and that they are calibrated regularly and reporting any breakages in a timely fashion.Refers to and accepts referrals from and interacts with the multi-agency team, under the guidance of the health visitor or school nurse. These contacts may be in person, by telephone or in writing on a daily basis.Attends team meetings as appropriateCommunicates factual information to staff/patients and carers with different levels of understanding. This information may be complex or sensitive in nature. Uses appropriate communication style and empathy to deal with these situations.Give advice and support to parents, pupils and teaching staff on health related matters, where appropriate including drop ins in various settings including the home and act as a client advocate where appropriatePlan and implement Health Promotion activity, both for individuals and groups: within the local and national Public Health agenda with particular reference to the promotion of breastfeeding and appropriate weaning, the prevention of childhood obesity and promoting parenting skills in conjunction with partner agencies particularly children´s centres and schoolsUse resources effectively Share knowledge with colleagues.As part of the children and family health services team, participate in needs analysis activity.In accordance with Trust guidelines, ensure all client related contacts are recorded contemporaneously in the appropriate child health record Participate in own job development review to develop a personal development plan. Assist in the support of junior or less experienced colleagues as required. Attend clinical supervision and safeguarding supervision as directed.Reports in writing any adverse incidents within the appropriate time scaleAttend statutory and mandatory training. Completion and return of statistics and audit requirements.Ensure that professional equipment is maintained in good working order.Any other duties commensurate to the pay band and as requested by the Manager.____________________________________* I'm not sure what the 'named nurse' is.Is this typical? It looks like the full public health role with fairly comprehensive autonomy to me.Is this a half-price reinvention of health visiting without the bother of registered practitioners? Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn