Re: Re: Photos-- P. again

June 29, 2004

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Sorry I missed that cellular thing. How does one check for that--which test?

I feel stiff as a board today......

Yes, my scars were very wide and had railroad tracks all over--areolos included. I had one corrective surgeries and will need 1-2 more. Now it just looks like I've had a breast reduction--with an anchor cut. The next surgery will be removal of more tissue, more scar excision and reduction of the areola. The PS says I will look normal--but with an anchor reduction(as opposed to a more modern breast lift(he does not do anchor reductions lifts--doesn't like them). It sux but things could be worse. At least he was willing to help me unlike that creep in Denver.

You are lucky though. I think your breasts really look great.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Let me know more about this doc in Indy. I'll e-mail you.

Hugs,

LMJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Lm, I id have a lot of hair problems, and the thing that helped the most was getting on the right thyroid dosage (despite normal labs while on thyroid) and also adding flax seed oil to my diet, 2 tablespoons per day. Are you on any omega's? I know what you are feeling, it drove me nuts to have such hair loss.

The lift was a new thing, and worked well. I guess, its all what each woman will do the best with. Why have additional cutting, if you don’t need it? I am sorry about how badly you were explanted, and your scars. Are they very bad? Are you treating the scars with anything? Merderma helped me a lot, along with lots of vitamin E. (orally and on the incision) love

Re: Re: Photos >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:25:24 -0700 (PDT) > >: >Hi. Glad your ANAs are gone! > >I have a chronic high WBC--high normal to over normal all the time. >My scalp hurts--feels crawly--I wonder if I have fungus? I'm going to ask the derm tomorrow. I have chronic dandruff. >Hugs, >-Marie > >naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote: >LM >ANA tests are funny, the results can vary so much, my first test was >just barely positive, and so I was not that concerned yet, but then >again in 3 months it was higher, it was it's highest immediately >following explant at 1:640 that is really high, but my Dr explained >the surgery probably dumped

allot of toxins in me. It slowly went >back down and has been negative in the last 3 testings, wich were >over the last 3 years. I am convinced it has not turned positive >again since then. >I also feel good so I know that I am negative. I can now go in the >sun and not get a rash or burn. I tan like I used to. I know I know >everyone says it is bad for you. I just look at the sun differently >in that it is natural and full of vitamin D. I feel good about >getting some color. >I do try to hide my face and yes, I cheat and do tanning salons here >but if you lived in Idaho Falls in Winter you might too, I cover my >face with a towell and tan once a week, it keeps me from getting >depressed from lack of sun light. Our days are very short here in the >winter. >hugs to you LM > > > > > > >In , Jane Doe >wrote: > > Dear : > > Yes, other than going by car to Va. Beach,

Baltimore and NC, I've >been grounded--no flying in over 6 months--that's how sick I got on >the hgh injections. > > > > I'd love to go to Tahiti and Figi too. My friend went there >and loved it. > > > > I avoid the sun and use sunscreens. I first noticed these rashes in >Jan.03, about six weeks after my blepharoplasty/laser surgery. The >rash comes and goes. My ANA is postive but not high on the titer.I'm >going to a dermatologist at GWU tomorrow, I hope they're not a dud. > > Hugs, > > LM > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > Yes that is a record for you, I remember you were always traveling > > off to somewhere when I first met you. > > I love to travel. It is right up there on my list of favorite >things. > > I want to see Tahiti and Fiji so bad. Those are my dream trips. >Might > > be another year or two before I get there, but I am pretty >determined. > > As for

your rash, I don't recall you mentioning this before. IS it >a > > fairly new thing along with your elevated ANA? Do you notice if it > > gets worse or acts up when your in the sun? > > Let me know, meanwhile I will pray about it tonight. > > Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > wrote: > > > : > > > I have no dates for SLC yet, I'm pretty flexible--depending on my > > part time classes--if I go. I love SLC. I was there in Oct 01 and > > have wanted to go back. I want to go somewhere warm and/or scenic.I > > have not traveled since November, this is a record for me. I just > > want to get my health on track. I'm getting my hormonal and rheumy > > labs done on Wednesday or Thursday. I also have a derm appt. I'm > > getting rashes so I need to check it out--it comes and goes on my > > inner arms

and abdomen--little red spots. > > > Hugs, > > > LM > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > LM: > > > I also meant to reply to your being in Salt Lake, in October you > > > mentioned. Just let me know what the actual dates are when it >gets > > > closer to that time so that I can see what I can do with my work > > > schedule. > > > Hugs > > > - > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > > wrote: > > > > Dear : > > > > Hi. I hope you feel better soon. > > > > I'm so glad you had a good time. I wish I had been there. You > > > deserved a nice break with Patty and friends. What a beautiful > > place > > > and you all looked lovely too. I love that pink shirt on you-- > > you're > > > in great shape and looked great! > > > > I want

to meet both you and Patty some time in months to come. >I > > > might go to Salt Lake City in Oct. so if you want to met up >there, > > or > > > sort of near there, let me know. > > > > > > > > I'm heading out now--more hiking. I'm on a ROLL! Thanks for the > > > encouragement--I'm getting hooked! What a healthy addiction! > > > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > > Hi LM, > > > > To be truthful I don't think it was food poisononing.I think I > > > > actually must of caught the flu. I had a sore throat on >Saturday > > > > morning and then by Sunday am I knew I just was not quite >feeling > > > > right. But It was a fanastc trip. We all had so much fun, and >we > > > all > > > > just hit it off so wonderfully. I think, too, doing something > > like > > > > this where we could blow off

some steam, vent a bit about our > > pain > > > > and talk about things that NO ONE other than other implant > > victims > > > > can relate too, was such a healing experience. I miss all the > > > girls. > > > > TOday I was thinking about how nice it would be to live in the > > same > > > > town with some women from here. It seems that there is never > > anyone > > > > to vent to about this stff who really gets it and it was neat >to > > be > > > > around the girls because they all had the same story, the same > > > > symptoms, the same crappy treatment by Dr's. We all just >couldn't > > > > stop talking. It was funny how we just immediately hit it off > > like > > > > that and from the common bond we all share of course we were > > > instant > > > > friends, actaully more like sisters. > > > >

For Patty and I it has been almost 5 years that I first met >her. > > > When > > > > I think about that it is amazing that it took so long for her >and > > I > > > > to hook up in person at some point in those 4 1/2 years, but it > > did. > > > > Anyhow don't want to just ramhle on here forever so i should >get > > > > going. > > > > I hope that your doing well too! > > > > hugs > > > > -C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > > > wrote: > > > > > : > > > > > Hi! Welcome back! I'm glad to hear you had such a good time. >I > > > hope > > > > you feel better from the food poisoning soon, if not, see a doc. > >

> > > > > > > > We'll chat later. > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > LM > > > > > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > > > Hi Ladies, > > > > > We are back from the get together. Well at least most of us >are > > > by > > > > > this time. Pam and Shari are probably still flying home,but > > > Patty, > > > > > Daryl and I left yesterday and were home last night. > > > Unfortunately > > > > I > > > > > ended up with what I thought was food poisoning, to what I > > think > > > is > > > > > either a flu or the result of a few drinks that I probably > > shold > > > > not > > > > > have had. Either way I ended up leaving work early today > > becasue > > > I > > > > > just felt so crappy. I am resting but

did feel up to posting > > some > > > > > photos of the get together, so you all can at least share the > > > > > experience in some way, with all of us. > > > > > To see the photographs you have to go to the main website for > > > this > > > > > group and then you have to go into the section (which will be > > on > > > > your > > > > > left side, it will say "PHOTOS" click on that and then you >will > > > > have > > > > > to either click on "Show All" or "Next" because they are > > > > > alphabetically in orrder. The photo folder marked "Idaho Get > > > > > together" is where all the photos from this trip are. > > > > > I have only added the ones that I took and oviously the other > > > girls > > > > > have some too. > > > > > At any rate I need to go lay back

down and rest up since I am > > not > > > > > feeling 100% well right now. > > > > > The trip however, was incredible and wonderful. The girls are > > so > > > > > awesome! I am so glad we did this as I feel it was such a > > healing > > > > > thing for us emotionally! > > > > > Anyhow I will try to post more later when I am feeling better. > > > > > Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

June 30, 2004

LM, you are a trooper. I couldn’t even imagine. I thank you, I hope every thing turns out right for you, poor thing. Its bullsh**what happens to women with this whole implant mess.

I will email you personally more on the thyroid thing tomorrow. I would however advise that you look into having a saliva essay done on all hormones and also thyroid for a closer look. (I send the links of the compant go through) Blood is helpful, but when it comes to hormones it only shows what is floating around, not what has been taken up in the last 48 hours.

I have become quite a hormone expert, not to brag. Believe me, I wish I hadn't spent so many hours reading on all this crap. I have helped a lot of girls, and myself though, so I guess it’s a plus. I recently helped a girlfriend with hypoglycemia (as it is linked with thyroid issues) go on progesterone, and see my thyroid specialist to look into thyroid more, and insist on further, more in depth tests, and it was. She is on progesterone, and now thyroid meds, and the hypoglycemia is gone. My neighbors went off the pill (she was on for 15 years for extremly heavy periods) and also had large fibro cysts removed from breasts. She did a saliva, found she was estrogen dominant, as I suspected, and is off the pill, with no more lumpy breasts or heavy periods, and on progesterone. Lost like 10 pounds too.

It just seemed no matter what thyroid hormone I took, it did not work, I continued to feel foggy, gain weight, and lose hair like mad. joint pain too, esp in hands and feet. Legs, too! Big time, like they are 500 pounds a piece. So I did a saliva essay, and was defiencent of progesterone , went on that, saw some improvements, went on flax oil ,saw some more, but it wasn’t until I saw Dr Manakas, who did a very in depth physical, like heart rate, reflexes, blood pressure, water retention spots, body temp, that he told me I needed higher dosages of t3 cytomel, and that the all natural pig thyroid or t4 was not enough. it had not been working at all for the last 3 years with me, despite my blood labs showing I was fine. He says he sees that a lot, as I was on thyroid, and was at the perfect levels, but he explained the blood was showing exactly what I was taking, but not what I was using. He saw me every month, and only went by metabolism indicators, moving me up small amounts each time, until I was glowing, no more joint pain, no more hair loss, lost 4 pounds, had a normal heart beat, ect. He said he does not go by blood work alone with thyroid, it is only a indicator. Not the full truths of what is going on, and in the future a lot of docs will be going this way.

I will email you more personally. Perhaps talk on the phone, as it is so much easier to explain in person. If it is fibro, from what I have read, and seminars, and my symptoms matching fibro, in my opinion- I am telling you, it is probably thyroid related. They just cant see it yet. Not looking in the right places. Thats what happened to me, and I am so much better, finally getting a doctor to see, it wasn’t right. After three years of this crap. Dr Manakas, and Mercola (Although I would advise he is no thyroid expert) are great. Love julie Re: Re: Photos >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:25:24 -0700 (PDT) > >: >Hi. Glad your ANAs are gone! > >I have a chronic high WBC--high normal to over normal all the time. >My scalp hurts--feels crawly--I wonder if I have fungus? I'm going to ask the derm tomorrow. I have chronic dandruff. >Hugs, >-Marie > >naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote: >LM >ANA tests are funny, the results can vary so much, my first test was >just barely positive, and so I was not that concerned yet, but then >again in 3 months it was higher, it was it's highest immediately >following explant at 1:640 that is really high, but my Dr explained >the surgery probably dumped allot of toxins in me. It slowly went >back down and has been negative in the last 3 testings, wich were >over the last 3 years. I am convinced it has not turned positive >again since then. >I also feel good so I know that I am negative. I can now go in the >sun and not get a rash or burn. I tan like I used to. I know I know >everyone says it is bad for you. I just look at the sun differently >in that it is natural and full of vitamin D. I feel good about >getting some color. >I do try to hide my face and yes, I cheat and do tanning salons here >but if you lived in Idaho Falls in Winter you might too, I cover my >face with a towell and tan once a week, it keeps me from getting >depressed from lack of sun light. Our days are very short here in the >winter. >hugs to you LM > > > > > > >In , Jane Doe >wrote: > > Dear : > > Yes, other than going by car to Va. Beach, Baltimore and NC, I've >been grounded--no flying in over 6 months--that's how sick I got on >the hgh injections. > > > > I'd love to go to Tahiti and Figi too. My friend went there >and loved it. > > > > I avoid the sun and use sunscreens. I first noticed these rashes in >Jan.03, about six weeks after my blepharoplasty/laser surgery. The >rash comes and goes. My ANA is postive but not high on the titer.I'm >going to a dermatologist at GWU tomorrow, I hope they're not a dud. > > Hugs, > > LM > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > Yes that is a record for you, I remember you were always traveling > > off to somewhere when I first met you. > > I love to travel. It is right up there on my list of favorite >things. > > I want to see Tahiti and Fiji so bad. Those are my dream trips. >Might > > be another year or two before I get there, but I am pretty >determined. > > As for your rash, I don't recall you mentioning this before. IS it >a > > fairly new thing along with your elevated ANA? Do you notice if it > > gets worse or acts up when your in the sun? > > Let me know, meanwhile I will pray about it tonight. > > Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > wrote: > > > : > > > I have no dates for SLC yet, I'm pretty flexible--depending on my > > part time classes--if I go. I love SLC. I was there in Oct 01 and > > have wanted to go back. I want to go somewhere warm and/or scenic.I > > have not traveled since November, this is a record for me. I just > > want to get my health on track. I'm getting my hormonal and rheumy > > labs done on Wednesday or Thursday. I also have a derm appt. I'm > > getting rashes so I need to check it out--it comes and goes on my > > inner arms and abdomen--little red spots. > > > Hugs, > > > LM > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > LM: > > > I also meant to reply to your being in Salt Lake, in October you > > > mentioned. Just let me know what the actual dates are when it >gets > > > closer to that time so that I can see what I can do with my work > > > schedule. > > > Hugs > > > - > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > > wrote: > > > > Dear : > > > > Hi. I hope you feel better soon. > > > > I'm so glad you had a good time. I wish I had been there. You > > > deserved a nice break with Patty and friends. What a beautiful > > place > > > and you all looked lovely too. I love that pink shirt on you-- > > you're > > > in great shape and looked great! > > > > I want to meet both you and Patty some time in months to come. >I > > > might go to Salt Lake City in Oct. so if you want to met up >there, > > or > > > sort of near there, let me know. > > > > > > > > I'm heading out now--more hiking. I'm on a ROLL! Thanks for the > > > encouragement--I'm getting hooked! What a healthy addiction! > > > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > > Hi LM, > > > > To be truthful I don't think it was food poisononing.I think I > > > > actually must of caught the flu. I had a sore throat on >Saturday > > > > morning and then by Sunday am I knew I just was not quite >feeling > > > > right. But It was a fanastc trip. We all had so much fun, and >we > > > all > > > > just hit it off so wonderfully. I think, too, doing something > > like > > > > this where we could blow off some steam, vent a bit about our > > pain > > > > and talk about things that NO ONE other than other implant > > victims > > > > can relate too, was such a healing experience. I miss all the > > > girls. > > > > TOday I was thinking about how nice it would be to live in the > > same > > > > town with some women from here. It seems that there is never > > anyone > > > > to vent to about this stff who really gets it and it was neat >to > > be > > > > around the girls because they all had the same story, the same > > > > symptoms, the same crappy treatment by Dr's. We all just >couldn't > > > > stop talking. It was funny how we just immediately hit it off > > like > > > > that and from the common bond we all share of course we were > > > instant > > > > friends, actaully more like sisters. > > > > For Patty and I it has been almost 5 years that I first met >her. > > > When > > > > I think about that it is amazing that it took so long for her >and > > I > > > > to hook up in person at some point in those 4 1/2 years, but it > > did. > > > > Anyhow don't want to just ramhle on here forever so i should >get > > > > going. > > > > I hope that your doing well too! > > > > hugs > > > > -C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Jane Doe > > > > wrote: > > > > > : > > > > > Hi! Welcome back! I'm glad to hear you had such a good time. >I > > > hope > > > > you feel better from the food poisoning soon, if not, see a doc. > > > > > > > > > > We'll chat later. > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > LM > > > > > > > > > > naturalbeauty38 wrote: > > > > > Hi Ladies, > > > > > We are back from the get together. Well at least most of us >are > > > by > > > > > this time. Pam and Shari are probably still flying home,but > > > Patty, > > > > > Daryl and I left yesterday and were home last night. > > > Unfortunately > > > > I > > > > > ended up with what I thought was food poisoning, to what I > > think > > > is > > > > > either a flu or the result of a few drinks that I probably > > shold > > > > not > > > > > have had. Either way I ended up leaving work early today > > becasue > > > I > > > > > just felt so crappy. I am resting but did feel up to posting > > some > > > > > photos of the get together, so you all can at least share the > > > > > experience in some way, with all of us. > > > > > To see the photographs you have to go to the main website for > > > this > > > > > group and then you have to go into the section (which will be > > on > > > > your > > > > > left side, it will say "PHOTOS" click on that and then you >will > > > > have > > > > > to either click on "Show All" or "Next" because they are > > > > > alphabetically in orrder. The photo folder marked "Idaho Get > > > > > together" is where all the photos from this trip are. > > > > > I have only added the ones that I took and oviously the other > > > girls > > > > > have some too. > > > > > At any rate I need to go lay back down and rest up since I am > > not > > > > > feeling 100% well right now. > > > > > The trip however, was incredible and wonderful. The girls are > > so > > > > > awesome! I am so glad we did this as I feel it was such a > > healing > > > > > thing for us emotionally! > > > > > Anyhow I will try to post more later when I am feeling better. > > > > > Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

June 30, 2004

:

THANK YOU! I look forward to hearing from you.

Take Care.

Hugs,

LMJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

LM, you are a trooper. I couldn’t even imagine. I thank you, I hope every thing turns out right for you, poor thing. Its bullsh**what happens to women with this whole implant mess.

I will email you personally more on the thyroid thing tomorrow. I would however advise that you look into having a saliva essay done on all hormones and also thyroid for a closer look. (I send the links of the compant go through) Blood is helpful, but when it comes to hormones it only shows what is floating around, not what has been taken up in the last 48 hours.

I have become quite a hormone expert, not to brag. Believe me, I wish I hadn't spent so many hours reading on all this crap. I have helped a lot of girls, and myself though, so I guess it’s a plus. I recently helped a girlfriend with hypoglycemia (as it is linked with thyroid issues) go on progesterone, and see my thyroid specialist to look into thyroid more, and insist on further, more in depth tests, and it was. She is on progesterone, and now thyroid meds, and the hypoglycemia is gone. My neighbors went off the pill (she was on for 15 years for extremly heavy periods) and also had large fibro cysts removed from breasts. She did a saliva, found she was estrogen dominant, as I suspected, and is off the pill, with no more lumpy breasts or heavy periods, and on progesterone. Lost like 10 pounds too.

It just seemed no matter what thyroid hormone I took, it did not work, I continued to feel foggy, gain weight, and lose hair like mad. joint pain too, esp in hands and feet. Legs, too! Big time, like they are 500 pounds a piece. So I did a saliva essay, and was defiencent of progesterone , went on that, saw some improvements, went on flax oil ,saw some more, but it wasn’t until I saw Dr Manakas, who did a very in depth physical, like heart rate, reflexes, blood pressure, water retention spots, body temp, that he told me I needed higher dosages of t3 cytomel, and that the all natural pig thyroid or t4 was not enough. it had not been working at all for the last 3 years with me, despite my blood labs showing I was fine. He says he sees that a lot, as I was on thyroid, and was at the perfect levels, but he explained the blood was showing exactly what I was taking, but not what I was using. He saw me every month, and only went by

metabolism indicators, moving me up small amounts each time, until I was glowing, no more joint pain, no more hair loss, lost 4 pounds, had a normal heart beat, ect. He said he does not go by blood work alone with thyroid, it is only a indicator. Not the full truths of what is going on, and in the future a lot of docs will be going this way.

I will email you more personally. Perhaps talk on the phone, as it is so much easier to explain in person. If it is fibro, from what I have read, and seminars, and my symptoms matching fibro, in my opinion- I am telling you, it is probably thyroid related. They just cant see it yet. Not looking in the right places. Thats what happened to me, and I am so much better, finally getting a doctor to see, it wasn’t right. After three years of this crap. Dr Manakas, and Mercola (Although I would advise he is no thyroid expert) are great. Love julie Re: Re: Photos >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:25:24 -0700 (PDT) > >: >Hi. Glad your ANAs are gone! > >I have a chronic high WBC--high normal to over normal all the time. >My scalp hurts--feels crawly--I wonder if I have fungus? I'm going to ask the derm tomorrow. I have chronic dandruff. >Hugs, >-Marie > >naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote: >LM >ANA tests are funny, the results can vary so much, my first test was >just barely positive, and so I was not that concerned yet, but then >again in 3 months it was higher, it was it's highest immediately >following explant at 1:640 that is really high, but my Dr explained >the surgery probably dumped