OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

[Guest guest]

> SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

Blessings~

Tammy

Gladheart Acres

Palmer Alaska

[Guest guest]

I know...I'm just a very passionate person!! And Lord help the one who DOES

try to mess with my babies, whether they be 2-legged or 4!! I just really

get upset when people try to take advantage of others, you know!!

And my darlin' Sage, you could NEVER be my enemy...psychotic stalking

victim, yes...but never an enemy!! I truly love all people, some just more

than others!!

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

Melody,

Well, I would sure hate to be your enemy. Can I be your friend?? I would

also hate to be someone who got between you and your cubs.

¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

I know...I'm just a very passionate person!! And Lord help the one who DOES

try to mess with my babies, whether they be 2-legged or 4!! I just really

get upset when people try to take advantage of others, you know!!

And my darlin' Sage, you could NEVER be my enemy...psychotic stalking

victim, yes...but never an enemy!! I truly love all people, some just more

than others!!

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

Melody,

Well, I would sure hate to be your enemy. Can I be your friend?? I would

also hate to be someone who got between you and your cubs.

¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:22:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

briefencounterstore@... writes:

> . Besides, I know the

> people that buy them from me will resell them themselves.

Nice group of people she is dealing with, quite reputable........NOT.

After you just went around TAKING what was not yours to take and offering

them for sale, what was not yours to sell. You say you paid $55.00 for them

on Ebay......doesnt make sense to me why you would pay more than double the

price your going to sell the SAME information. WHY would anyone post on

their website the following statement, knowing they had BOUGHT this

information then reproduced it? Then again, these questions are suited for

a person of conscience, which you obviously are not.

For personal use only. You agree not to reproduce. Upon receipt of payment,

all of the recipes will be e-mailed within 24 hours... most likely sooner.*~

[Guest guest]

Thank you, sweetheart!! Once I get started....look out!

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

Blessings~

Tammy

Gladheart Acres

Palmer Alaska

[Guest guest]

Thank you, sweetheart!! Once I get started....look out!

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

Blessings~

Tammy

Gladheart Acres

Palmer Alaska

[Guest guest]

As far as EBay goes, people are trying to sell their kidneys on that site,

and as long as they get their share, I don't think EBay really cares, do

they?

Makes me wonder...anybody got an extra uterus for sale??? I lost mine 10

years ago, and it's kind of hard to have a baby without one!! hehe Or I

have a VERY used pancreas that I'd be willing to trade for a new colon...any

takers?

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

Blessings~

Tammy

Gladheart Acres

Palmer Alaska

[Guest guest]

As far as EBay goes, people are trying to sell their kidneys on that site,

and as long as they get their share, I don't think EBay really cares, do

they?

Makes me wonder...anybody got an extra uterus for sale??? I lost mine 10

years ago, and it's kind of hard to have a baby without one!! hehe Or I

have a VERY used pancreas that I'd be willing to trade for a new colon...any

takers?

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

Blessings~

Tammy

Gladheart Acres

Palmer Alaska

[Guest guest]

Sage did you tell the list about meeting me with a sign saying psychotic

stalker????

LOL Glitz

And my darlin' Sage, you could NEVER be my enemy...psychotic stalking

victim, yes...but never an enemy!! I truly love all people, some just more

than others!!

[Guest guest]

Sage did you tell the list about meeting me with a sign saying psychotic

stalker????

LOL Glitz

And my darlin' Sage, you could NEVER be my enemy...psychotic stalking

victim, yes...but never an enemy!! I truly love all people, some just more

than others!!

[Guest guest]

Hey, why not just give away HIS reproductive organs?? MUCH easier on you,

don't you think?

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

In a message dated 3/22/02 3:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mvogler@... writes:

<< Makes me wonder...anybody got an extra uterus for sale??? I lost mine 10

years ago, and it's kind of hard to have a baby without one!! >>

i just had my 5th boy i will GIVE you my uterus and any other reproductive

organs my husband wants to try for a girl !!!!! tamika

[Guest guest]

Yeah, they tried medicating me, and it just didn't work!!!

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

<Hey, why not just give away HIS reproductive organs??  MUCH easier on you,

don't you think?>

Melody, you are hysterical!

¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify this, anything typed or written down by the original author

is protected under copyright law.

You legally secure your copyright by submitting a copy of your work with a

fee to the Library of Congress.

There is what is called " Fair Use " clause in the U.S. copyright law, stating

that material may be quoted from verbatim (that is, word for word) if it is

to be used for the purposes of education, research, critique or review.

What is allowable under the Fair Use clause is determined by the " purpose

and the characted of the use, and whether such use is of a commercial nature

or is for non-profit educational purposes " , and " the amount and

substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a

whole. "

There are separate exemptions for libaraies and archives.

(From: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/)

I will be the first to admit that I have forwarded recipes belonging to

other people without giving proper credit (which is bad netiquette, and I do

apologize)! But I don't believe I have breached any copyright laws by doing

so, as they were posted for educational purposes and I have not sold the

recipes as my own or profited from them in any way.

Of course in the future, we should all make an effort to give credit where

credit is due on any recipes posted! :-)

Cat >^-.-^<

> if it is copyrighted. if someones words written typed or spoken are

> copyrighted then you must legally receive permission to reprint them and

give

> credit in your reproduction.

(snipped for brevity)

[Guest guest]

No Melody you stay on your soapbox you have a right to go off as so dose the

others. It reminds me of being in school and thats been alongggggg time ago...of

someone sitting behind you and copying your test paper.

Have a good day and God Bless.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

If I post a recipe I post it for everyone to use personally, not for

someone else to copy it and sell it for profit or even to cover their

costs, it should be passed around freely.

I will have second thoughts about posting recipes on lists again, I

would not like to add to their next lot of recipes, and free money.

But what really gauls me is that they advertize it on our own lists.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

If I post a recipe I post it for everyone to use personally, not for

someone else to copy it and sell it for profit or even to cover their

costs, it should be passed around freely.

I will have second thoughts about posting recipes on lists again, I

would not like to add to their next lot of recipes, and free money.

But what really gauls me is that they advertize it on our own lists.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi Fiona,

I put it on my website as soon as I saw it. I also think some of the

very new newbies who are just starting to lurk on lists may just part

with money for them.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi Fiona,

I put it on my website as soon as I saw it. I also think some of the

very new newbies who are just starting to lurk on lists may just part

with money for them.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi Sage,

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:51:11 EST, you wrote:

> I would hate to see the

>misbehavior of this person hinder the rest of us in the enjoyment and sharing

>we do together.

She will not hinder us nor will she take it away from us, But we must

speak out and make sure she understands she will never get away with

it.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi Sage,

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:51:11 EST, you wrote:

> I would hate to see the

>misbehavior of this person hinder the rest of us in the enjoyment and sharing

>we do together.

She will not hinder us nor will she take it away from us, But we must

speak out and make sure she understands she will never get away with

it.

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

DH is a journalist, and he has advised me that " If it is published "

and " putting it on the internet is classed as publishing it " it is

automatically copyrighted he checked this in his McNae's Essential

Law for Journalists

--

Baz in Lancs UK

soapsuds@...

always striving for - www.betterbubbles.net

[Guest guest]

To All:

I replyed to the message where this person wrote in saying they had gotten

the recipes off the internet for $55............

I see now that I was replying direcectly to them and not the group. What I

told them was after they sold 2 3/4 orders they would have to stop selling

as anything more would be profit that would, of course, need to be reported

to the IRS.

If copyright laws are in fact being violated then making a profit would be

prohibited.

If I am not mistaken, the parties being effected can file a complaint with

someone on the web who regulates the type of business being put on the web.

Maybe someone out there is familar with this procedure.

The other thing I might suggest is to file a complaint with the FCC in

Washington DC. I believe I still have an address for them if you are unable

to find it in the web yellow pages.

Sorry for all the grief this is causing as I, for one of many, enjoy greatly

the info being shared on this forum.

SD

Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> The following I copied and pasted from the website selling these recipes.

> Some people have no scruples. She reproduced what was shared by others,

is

> selling at a huge profit, considering she did none of the work to prove

the

> recipes and expects others to NOT REPRODUCE.......as if she has copyrights

to

> them. Go figure.

>

>

> ~*For personal use only. You agree not to reproduce. Upon receipt of

payment,

> all of the recipes will be e-mailed within 24 hours... most likely

sooner.*~

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Again I will say that if there is a violation on E-bay, then I believe the

FCC would insist that E-bay investigate the wrong doings. For those being

effected contact E-bay about your recipes being sold for profit. Go to the

source.

SD

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

>

>

> > SOMEBODY STOP ME AND PULL ME OFF MY SOAPBOX, >PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!!!

>

> Noooooo Way Melody! You are speaking beautifully!

>

> BTW, has anyone contacted EBay? Hubby thinks we ALL should report

> this...feels EBay will shut it right down.

>

> Blessings~

> Tammy

> Gladheart Acres

> Palmer Alaska

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You make a very valid point. I, too, wonder if any laws other then moral

have indeed been violated. But if they have, I have given my thoughts as to

where to complain. I realize this group is a good place to vent but that is

all that will get done here-just venting. If one believes they have truly

been voilated then one must go beyond this group.

Just my thoughts.

SD

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> In a message dated 3/22/02 10:40:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> mvogler@... writes:

>

> << You can't sell

> someone else's work without their permission. >>

> if it is copyrighted. if someones words written typed or spoken are

> copyrighted then you must legally receive permission to reprint them and

give

> credit in your reproduction. otherwise it is free game what we are talking

> about here is infringing on moral rights which are protected by GOD alone.

> collecting others uncopyrighted recipes without letting them know is not

nice

> and therefore morally incorrect as with the rest of us in that instance

you

> must answer to GOD for your intentions and actions, not the law. i have

some

> knowledge in the legal aspect of this federal and state regulations.

really

> what is bothering us all is feeling betrayed . which sadly is not

punishable

> by any copyright laws ttfn tamika

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To All:

One has to pay for a patent, as Cat says, or it is free game. Look how many

time in the past that one has invented a great product and selling it on the

market but didn't get around to buying the patent on it. Someone else came

right in behind them, created the same or almost the same product and put a

patent on it and made millons from it. I wish I could think of an example

but I know from reading I have done that it happens.

As for copyrights, I know that in quoting, one must name who made the quote.

I am sure that is the same when reprinting a recipe that has not been

copywritten. If all of you have copyrights, and I mean paid for your

copyright and completed all the legalities, then persue the matter or stop

complaining.

I am not trying to argue with your feelings but rather looking from the

outside in.

SD

Re: Re: OVER 705 BATH AND BEAUTY RECIPES

> Just to clarify this, anything typed or written down by the original

author

> is protected under copyright law.

> You legally secure your copyright by submitting a copy of your work with a

> fee to the Library of Congress.

> There is what is called " Fair Use " clause in the U.S. copyright law,

stating

> that material may be quoted from verbatim (that is, word for word) if it

is

> to be used for the purposes of education, research, critique or review.

> What is allowable under the Fair Use clause is determined by the " purpose

> and the characted of the use, and whether such use is of a commercial

nature

> or is for non-profit educational purposes " , and " the amount and

> substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as

a

> whole. "

> There are separate exemptions for libaraies and archives.

> (From: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/)

> I will be the first to admit that I have forwarded recipes belonging to

> other people without giving proper credit (which is bad netiquette, and I

do

> apologize)! But I don't believe I have breached any copyright laws by

doing

> so, as they were posted for educational purposes and I have not sold the

> recipes as my own or profited from them in any way.

> Of course in the future, we should all make an effort to give credit where

> credit is due on any recipes posted! :-)

> Cat >^-.-^<

>

>

> > if it is copyrighted. if someones words written typed or spoken are

> > copyrighted then you must legally receive permission to reprint them and

> give

> > credit in your reproduction.

> (snipped for brevity)

>

>

>

>

>