Re: FMS--

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Hi ,

I have a pretty bad case of FMS but am slowly getting better. It came on strong about two years ago right before I had my implants out. Since then I have been up and down with it. Somedays I am in a lot of pain and some days not so bad. I am currently getting a pretty wierd treatment but it seems to be working better than anything else I have done. I have detoxed to the max.

I am now getting bee venom treatments. I am lucky to have a practioner here that does it. She takes out the stinger from bees and gently taps them into different acupuncture points. The venom (also the pollen, royal jelly and propolis) all have strong anti inflammatory properties and strong anti bacterial, anti viral and anti fungal properties as well. I did some research and this has been used as a treatment for arthritis and rhuematism for centuries. It was used extensively in the US before the advent of steroids.

My lady went to Japan to study this treatment BUT there are apitheripists all over the country who will give you bee venom treatments. If you go on line you can find them through the apitherapy website. I have had three treatment so far and feel a lot less achy and the extreme back pain has lessened considerably. I am going to go for at least three months. This lady treats a lot of MS patients and says that it takes a long time but some actually go into remission.

I have talked to a few of her FMS patients and they say they have improved immensely.

You have to make sure you are not allergic to bees though before you start. I feel good about this because it is totally natural and does not have the side effects of anti inflammatory pain drugs and steroids.

Love to all,

Judi L

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I was told i had FMS, as I had all aymptoms, and 11 of the 18 trigger points by a rheumy and a chiropracter. I was told this with my implants in, and shortly after. Since doing Dr Lowe's metabolic program www.drlowe.com with higher thyroid meds(esp t3) to overcome cellular resitance, and myofasial massage to the tender points by a chiro- almost all fms sympotoms are gone, and I only have two tender points left. Dr Lowe believes most FMS cases are due to under regulation of thyroid hormones, whether or not blood work shows it.He has a huge wellness center based on Fibromyalgia, and has dealt with FMS for years, and written two books on metabolic issues and FMS. If you have FMS, I would just look into it, very informative.

>From: jaylow2100@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: FMS-- >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:08:23 EDT > >Hi , > >I have a pretty bad case of FMS but am slowly getting better. It came on >strong about two years ago right before I had my implants out. Since then I have >been up and down with it. Somedays I am in a lot of pain and some days not >so bad. I am currently getting a pretty wierd treatment but it seems to be >working better than anything else I have done. I have detoxed to the max. > >I am now getting bee venom treatments. I am lucky to have a practioner here >that does it. She takes out the stinger from bees and gently taps them into >different acupuncture points. The venom (also the pollen, royal jelly and >propolis) all have strong anti inflammatory properties and strong anti bacterial, >anti viral and anti fungal properties as well. I did some research and this >has been used as a treatment for arthritis and rhuematism for centuries. It >was used extensively in the US before the advent of steroids. > >My lady went to Japan to study this treatment BUT there are apitheripists all >over the country who will give you bee venom treatments. If you go on line >you can find them through the apitherapy website. I have had three treatment >so far and feel a lot less achy and the extreme back pain has lessened >considerably. I am going to go for at least three months. This lady treats a lot of >MS patients and says that it takes a long time but some actually go into >remission. > >I have talked to a few of her FMS patients and they say they have improved >immensely. >You have to make sure you are not allergic to bees though before you start. I >feel good about this because it is totally natural and does not have the side >effects of anti inflammatory pain drugs and steroids. > >Love to all, >Judi L

[Guest guest]

, thanks for the info. I never heard of this. Please keep the

group updated on how your treatment progresses. I may look into this

myself at some point. Thanks.

Hugs,

kathy

> Hi ,

>

> I have a pretty bad case of FMS but am slowly getting better. It

came on

> strong about two years ago right before I had my implants out.

Since then I have

> been up and down with it. Somedays I am in a lot of pain and some

days not

> so bad. I am currently getting a pretty wierd treatment but it

seems to be

> working better than anything else I have done. I have detoxed to

the max.

>

> I am now getting bee venom treatments. I am lucky to have a

practioner here

> that does it. She takes out the stinger from bees and gently taps

them into

> different acupuncture points. The venom (also the pollen, royal

jelly and

> propolis) all have strong anti inflammatory properties and strong

anti bacterial,

> anti viral and anti fungal properties as well. I did some research

and this

> has been used as a treatment for arthritis and rhuematism for

centuries. It

> was used extensively in the US before the advent of steroids.

>

> My lady went to Japan to study this treatment BUT there are

apitheripists all

> over the country who will give you bee venom treatments. If you go

on line

> you can find them through the apitherapy website. I have had three

treatment

> so far and feel a lot less achy and the extreme back pain has lessened

> considerably. I am going to go for at least three months. This

lady treats a lot of

> MS patients and says that it takes a long time but some actually go

into

> remission.

>

> I have talked to a few of her FMS patients and they say they have

improved

> immensely.

> You have to make sure you are not allergic to bees though before you

start. I

> feel good about this because it is totally natural and does not have

the side

> effects of anti inflammatory pain drugs and steroids.

>

> Love to all,

> Judi L

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I had myofascial release therapy for 3 months and it seemed like it

made me worse. The therapist, who is highly trained and also does

craniosacral therapy, said that she didn't think it could still be a

herx. I was disappointed. I still think that until I can get the

imflammatory aspect of my " illness " under control, I will continue to

have tons of muscle spasms and resultant muscle tightening and tendon

tightening and thus pain from that. That seems to be my main problem

right now. It is just so frustrating because it seems like everything

I do to detox incrases the spasms. So does the antibiotic therapy.

So do most supplements and yeast killers and clorella. So I guess I

just have to tough it out the best I can until something gives!! I do

know that myofascial release should help fms though. I haven't

addressed the thyroid issue myself yet, though at some point I

probably will. I have normal test values and just don't feel like

fighting the docs on this one or going to see a specialist that

requires travelling. Where is your specialist located? What does he

do to tell if you need thyroid treatment despite normal values? I am

thin so the weight isn't an issue. I certainly have a low body temp

though. Please let me know if you think I should go to this

specialist. Thanks

kathy

>

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Kathy:

What is myofascial therapy?

LMmikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

I had myofascial release therapy for 3 months and it seemed like itmade me worse. The therapist, who is highly trained and also doescraniosacral therapy, said that she didn't think it could still be aherx. I was disappointed. I still think that until I can get theimflammatory aspect of my "illness" under control, I will continue tohave tons of muscle spasms and resultant muscle tightening and tendontightening and thus pain from that. That seems to be my main problemright now. It is just so frustrating because it seems like everythingI do to detox incrases the spasms. So does the antibiotic therapy. So do most supplements and yeast killers and clorella. So I guess Ijust have to tough it out the best I can until something gives!! I doknow that myofascial release should help fms though. I haven'taddressed the thyroid issue

myself yet, though at some point Iprobably will. I have normal test values and just don't feel likefighting the docs on this one or going to see a specialist thatrequires travelling. Where is your specialist located? What does hedo to tell if you need thyroid treatment despite normal values? I amthin so the weight isn't an issue. I certainly have a low body tempthough. Please let me know if you think I should go to thisspecialist. Thankskathy--- In , "JOSEPH PALANCA"wrote:>

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kathy, his name is Dr Manakas in Valperaiso, Indiana. I drive about an hour to see him, I would check him out, if you near. Arent you in IND? You def wont be fighting anything with him-he is very detailed, compassionate and will try hid damnest to find out what is going on. Low body temp is not good, thyroid usually, mine is finally on the up! Hey! Also, Myofascial therapy didn’t help either until I went on the proper amounts of thyroid. Love

Re: Re: FMS--

Kathy:

What is myofascial therapy?

LMmikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

I had myofascial release therapy for 3 months and it seemed like itmade me worse. The therapist, who is highly trained and also doescraniosacral therapy, said that she didn't think it could still be aherx. I was disappointed. I still think that until I can get theimflammatory aspect of my "illness" under control, I will continue tohave tons of muscle spasms and resultant muscle tightening and tendontightening and thus pain from that. That seems to be my main problemright now. It is just so frustrating because it seems like everythingI do to detox incrases the spasms. So does the antibiotic therapy. So do most supplements and yeast killers and clorella. So I guess Ijust have to tough it out the best I can until something gives!! I doknow that myofascial release should help fms though. I haven'taddressed the thyroid issue myself yet, though at some point Iprobably will. I have normal test values and just don't feel likefighting the docs on this one or going to see a specialist thatrequires travelling. Where is your specialist located? What does hedo to tell if you need thyroid treatment despite normal values? I amthin so the weight isn't an issue. I certainly have a low body tempthough. Please let me know if you think I should go to thisspecialist. Thankskathy--- In , "JOSEPH PALANCA"wrote:>

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Thank you . I guess what I was trying to ask was if the salt water flush has a cleansing effect on the liver. I am trying to find a substitute for my fourteen year old son. I just don't know if he would do well with a coffee enema but I really feel that he badly needs liver detox. I thought I would do juices with the salt water flush if that would work. What do you think? Love, Anita Re: FMS-- > > > >Thanks. I am in peoria il. How far away do you think that is. It is >funny that you should say that myofascial didn't work for you until >you were being treated. I know a woman who told me she went through 2 >years of getting worse on antibiotic therapy until she got her female >hormones addressed. Certainly something to look into. Can you give >me this dr. telephone number? thanks >Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >