Re: Re: Implants-LM and anyone else who cares-Gayle

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Gayle:

I agree what you stated about PS's being just as culpable as implant manufactures. There are many other ways a PS can rake in the big $$$ doing good plastic surgery--nose jobs, lipo, face lifts, reconstructive work from accident, illness, birth defects--they don't need the $$$$$$$$ from implants.Most women get implants for ptosis, mastopexy is more expensive than BA--let 'em cash in with that procedure providing it's done right and patient is well taken care of.

Some PS's are far more moral on the BA issue than others. Melmed, Feng dissuade women from BA but will still implant women--but not with out stern warning and implantation is a rare event with these docs. But many don't give stern warnings and then there are the phonies who want it both ways, they tell one crowd(anti BA) that BA is risky but advertise on websites such as 's--these are the worst hypocrites.They want to swing on both sides of the fence.

BTW, are you an attorney?

LMMollyBloom54 <jawlaw93@...> wrote:

Doctors are every bit as much to blame as manufacturers. The plastic surgeons who make a fortune on implanting women have also essentially placed a gag order on their peers by eviscerating their peers who speak out against implant. These doctors approved a pma by Inamed which was only disapproved thanks to the outrage of the panel chair.THese plastic surgeons profit greatly by implants - pushing them and installing them.They are hardly innocent. The majority also do not give patients adequate information, falling far short of any "informed consent". Why not? Because they deny thre is any danger.There is good reason many of us are disgusted withn plastic surgeons. And then there are the rheumatologists and neuroliogists who treat us as a lepers, if we mention we've had implants. I have hunted high and low for competent doctors who will

listen to what I am saying - and read the damn lab tests that they have in front of their noses - and at the same time not exploit me.I have found them, but not without effort.> > > Lynda your statements can and are often taken out of> > context > > possibly > > > because the way your wording them. Which is what

led> > both LM and I > > to > > > think you were refering to one of us as for this> > brainwashing > > thing. > > > I mean you can say whatever you want, but again in the> > post I am > > > replying to here your saying that most of the> > population thinks > > that > > > medical Dr's are god.I agree with that, but I also see> > that many > > > people actually treat Dr's with a good deal of contempt> > these days. > > > Anyhow I think there are allot of people with the> > misconception > > that > > > Dr's know everything. This is simply not true. There> > are good and > > bad > > > Dr's just like there are good and bad Teachers, good> > and bad police > > > officers etc. The fact is that because we all had bad> >

experiences > > it > > > is easy to blame all Dr's when in fact the real crooks> > are the > > > manufacturers. Drs are simply filling the need that> > exists, > > > unfortunatly as long as there are women lining up to> > get implants, > > > there will be dr's there to put them in happily. It is> > sad, it is > > > sick and until something in our society changes that is> > the way it > > is.> > > If lifts became the big fad and no one wanted implants> > anymore Dr's > > > would be learning and studying how to do better lifts.> > It is that > > age > > > old phenomenon called supply and demand. Where there is> > the demand > > > there is the supply.> > > The Dr;s have often been mislead just like the patients> > that these > >

> devices are wonderful bla bla blah. I agree that by now> > these Dr's > > > should know better after seeing so many of us come back> > ill. The > > > other problem now is that allot of women refuse to> > admit they are > > ill > > > from implants or even to complain to the PS about what> > is going on > > > with them. There fore I believe that many PS's don't> > know that > > their > > > patients are having problmems. Many of us did go back> > to them and > > > that is good, if only more would stick up for> > themselves such as my > > > own sister, then more and more of them might start to> > believe that > > > the implants really do cause disease.> > > Anyhow I got a bit off track here.> > > I am glad that we can all agree at least on one

thing,> > that there > > is > > > good and bad in all and that we, the patient, the> > consumer have to > > > take a certain responsibility in making sure that> > whatever we do to > > > our bodies we are completely 100% informed. I was naive> > and stupid > > > when I got my implants, and that is why I made sure> > before I took > > > them out that i was educated and new exactly what was> > going to > > happen > > > upon removal. I will never ever again let another> > surgeon touch me > > > without completely researching and getting different> > opinons etc so > > I > > > have learned a very valuable lesson through this.> > > take care> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated

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Hi Mollyor Gayle!

Welcome to the group. I'm sorry to hear of your illness, but can't say I'm surprised? Are you feeling better now? When were you explanted?

Take Care,

LMMollyBloom54 <jawlaw93@...> wrote:

What has surprised me is that women with saline implants get sick so much faster. I suppose this can be bad, but good in that you know what is going on, or soon do.I had silicone implants for 20 years, before I ever connected that my health was being affected from the implants. I think one implant may have been bi-lumin, meaning one saline 'implant' and one silicone implant - like an implant within an implant. Upon removal, the surgeon found a staph infection in my right breast, grossly ruptured implants and migration outside of the *intact* capsule.Giant cells on the outside of the capsule attest to my autoimmune response.I have been dx with multiple sclerosis, connective tissue disease & possible or probable lupus, and Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I have peripheral neruopathy, positive ANA (1:320), positive anti-SSA and anti-SM (indicative of

lupus), carpel tunnel & plantar fasciatis (both which are aggravated by connective tissue disease). Brain and C-Spine MRIs show demyelination and a spinal tap shows elevated igG and oligoclonal banding. Before explant, I woke up in the middle of the night with hives for no apparant reason. I went into anaphlactic shock at the dermatologist's office (I figured i was safer there than in ER, and I still believe I was right). I had had rashes for 4 years without relief, that felt like small stings and then would itch until I scratched them into raw wounds. I had to make an additional trip (3 total) to my surgeon in another state because surgery had been canceled at the last minute because of very high liver enzymes (550/590). Finally, I had surgery in April 2004. I was SO glad to have these horrible things out.It's been a rocky road. I still have a lot of pain, fatigue, 'brain fog', and have deferred taking a bar exam now twice - the last

time because I was in the hospital for c-difficile colitis. That's been my most recent battle. I was in such pain that in the hospital they gave me dilaudid, but my liver did not metabolize this well. My doc has since taken me off all medications, and is slowly putting me back on.Five years ago I jogged, bicycled on the highest bike path in the United States, was fit physically and mentally. Although I believe (my doc believes) one implant was leaking for a long time and the other probably completely ruptured (gross rupture) about 5 years ago.I have thought at times I was going to die. I just take it a day at a time and hope that I will get through this and my health will get better. This has disrupted my health, our finances and our lives. My husband is very supportive, but it has been a horrible experience. I wonder if I will ever be able to enjoy life or work again.MollyPutting silicone implants back on the

market would be evil. The saline implants should never have been 'approved' by the FDA, either.> > > Lynda your statements can and are often taken out of> > context > > possibly > > > because the way your wording them. Which is what led> > both LM and I > > to > > > think you were refering to one of us as

for this> > brainwashing > > thing. > > > I mean you can say whatever you want, but again in the> > post I am > > > replying to here your saying that most of the> > population thinks > > that > > > medical Dr's are god.I agree with that, but I also see> > that many > > > people actually treat Dr's with a good deal of contempt> > these days. > > > Anyhow I think there are allot of people with the> > misconception > > that > > > Dr's know everything. This is simply not true. There> > are good and > > bad > > > Dr's just like there are good and bad Teachers, good> > and bad police > > > officers etc. The fact is that because we all had bad> > experiences > > it > > > is easy to blame all Dr's when in fact the real crooks> >

are the > > > manufacturers. Drs are simply filling the need that> > exists, > > > unfortunatly as long as there are women lining up to> > get implants, > > > there will be dr's there to put them in happily. It is> > sad, it is > > > sick and until something in our society changes that is> > the way it > > is.> > > If lifts became the big fad and no one wanted implants> > anymore Dr's > > > would be learning and studying how to do better lifts.> > It is that > > age > > > old phenomenon called supply and demand. Where there is> > the demand > > > there is the supply.> > > The Dr;s have often been mislead just like the patients> > that these > > > devices are wonderful bla bla blah. I agree that by now> > these Dr's > > > should know

better after seeing so many of us come back> > ill. The > > > other problem now is that allot of women refuse to> > admit they are > > ill > > > from implants or even to complain to the PS about what> > is going on > > > with them. There fore I believe that many PS's don't> > know that > > their > > > patients are having problmems. Many of us did go back> > to them and > > > that is good, if only more would stick up for> > themselves such as my > > > own sister, then more and more of them might start to> > believe that > > > the implants really do cause disease.> > > Anyhow I got a bit off track here.> > > I am glad that we can all agree at least on one thing,> > that there > > is > > > good and bad in all and that we, the patient, the>

> consumer have to > > > take a certain responsibility in making sure that> > whatever we do to > > > our bodies we are completely 100% informed. I was naive> > and stupid > > > when I got my implants, and that is why I made sure> > before I took > > > them out that i was educated and new exactly what was> > going to > > happen > > > upon removal. I will never ever again let another> > surgeon touch me > > > without completely researching and getting different> > opinons etc so > > I > > > have learned a very valuable lesson through this.> > > take care> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > >