Re: Kathy just a few thoughts/read this sweetie

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Listen I know that everyone with FMS is different but there are def

some stregnthening and fat burning exercises I feel can be done with

minumum residual effect on your FMS condition. I really want to be a

personal trainer and work with all kinds esp people with these

illnesses because I feel I am just simply in remission and maybe not

even " cured " due to my life style. I have tons of natural endorphions

going on in my body that give me so much energy everyday. I am

usually just bouncing around off the walls. So I know that you can

only do so much when it comes to skin vs fat. If you feel that your

gaining fat in your abdominal area, it could be, very possible, that

you are. However your description is sounding to me more like a skin

issue. If it is related to your stretch marked, C section scar area,

then it could be that you have not enough fat under the skin or

muscle and the muscle tone decresing could be why your noticing more

skin in that area. it is hard for me to tell since I don't know what

you even look like. I can tell you that i pretty much am a solid

person with a low body fat of 16% you cannot pinch much fat on me at

all, but on my lower abdominal area, I don't have a totally flat

tummy either, I am only 40, so I imagine if I don't continue to work

at it like I am it will worse in another 10 years, that seems

natural.If I continue working it, I think I can keep it pretty firm,

however, if I get like you said, on my side, or hands and knees, that

skin that is there will hang down a bit from having a baby it just is

not fair. I know several women that only got one stretch mark, or

none, on their bellies, my best friend and work out partner is one,

she has natural big boobs and NO STRETCH MARKS on her belly. I don't

know what the deal is but, I think it is skin elasticity and

genetics. My mom got stretch marks with her first baby and she only

gained 20 pounds! can you imagine, however, my mother has the skin of

a 59 year old and she is 74 so who knows, my girlfriends mom is only

56 and looks older than my mom in the skin department, lifestyle

maybe, sun damage, who knows???? it is all so hard to determine. I

know that if you have what I have the only permanent solution is

plastic surgery, tummy tuck. Not lipo. However, I have been on the

fence with this as I don't know if I really want to do it, I can

still wear a bikini if the top of it hits right below my navel , and

do i really need a skimpier bikini than that? It sounds fun, but at

the same time, it is a big surgery so I just don't know that I want

to deal with it all.

I think that it might be a good idea for you to find someone to test

your body fat. One of those tanita scales is a better way since it

can tell the difference between fat and skin, while the calipers

(pinch test) doesn't know skin from fat.

Other wise it may just be skin and not much you can do other than

work the muscles under neathe to get it a bit tighter. I have found

with flab if you build the muscle underneathe it looks tighter and

better but with excess skin it is harder.

I hope this all makes sense. I need to go get ready cause my workout

buddy is almost here.

hugs and hang in there.

In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...> wrote:

> -

> CArrie

> Mostly I just walk. Because of the fms I can be put up for days

with

> exercise. I sometimes stretch--and I know I should do it everyday.

> For awhile I was doing some stomach exercises but it didnt seem to

> make any difference. Then again, it didn't for dale either. I need

> to do more. I have also noticed that if I lay on my side my lower

> abdomen kind of pouches out. If I suck it in real hard it looks

> better but not gone. Same if I were to get on my hands and knees.

> Geez! when did all this crap happen? I used to be so thin you

could

> always see my hip bones. Now it is like I have this little moveable

> roll of skin there. Are there any exercises that would tighten that

> or would plastic surgery be the only help? I feel like my lower

> abdomen looks like some older women's upper arms--kind of hangy.

The

> stretch marks and nice c-section scar from my navel to my pubic bone

> doesn't help. Ok, I am getting real depressed now! Does anyone

know

> if the skin just gets looser in the abdomen as you hit around 50?

Not

> that most of you are that age! I would appreciate any recs on

> exercises that could help. Thanks

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , " naturalbeauty38 "

> <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> > I do know that as we age we do tend to gain in this area, this a

> > fact, I also carry more wieght in my waist than any other body

> part,

> > and have the little pouch from my pregnancy, below my navel way

> down

> > low. However this does not sound like what you describe. I am

> > wondering if you are taking allot of supplements that could be

> > causing it. I know everyone thinks supps are the greatest thing

on

> > earth, but personally I like getting my vitamins from food and

feel

> > better when I do. Supps make me bloated and blah, I just don't

take

> > them and don't feel bad at all for it. In fact I feel better when

I

> > don't take them. Crazy huh? Anyhow that is how I feel.

> > I mean there could be a zillion reasons for this, but I would be

> > interested in knowing what your diet is, what your exercise

routine

> > is, etc etc.

> > Remember too, that as we age, we need to do more stregnth training

> to

> > help our body from losing muscle and turing to fat. It is sad, but

> a

> > fact of life that women lose muscle and bone fast after 30 and

> > beyond, every year if they don't exercise. I know you have allot

of

> > health issues but I highly recomend that you workout and try to

> stay

> > away from the supps for a bit and see if that helps.

> > I am sure that others will have some ideas too, and maybe those

> will

> > be better than mine, I just know what I experienced with too much

> of

> > the supps and crap. I mean believe it or not we can get too

carried

> > away with some treamtents when we think it is the magic button,

but

> > in my own opinion there is no magic button better than working

out

> > for feeling and looking better.

> > If those things don't work, I would try to find a Dr that will do

> > more for you.

> > blessings

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...>

wrote:

> > > Hey I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I am thin, weigh

> like

> > > 124 lbs and am 5'6 " . The only place I ever put weight on is in

my

> > > middle. Everywhere else is pretty skinny. But even with

putting

> > > weight on there, my stomach didn't look bad--especially in the

> > > mornings. Anyway, about 6 months ago, I did a detox with

> bentonite

> > > and the sonne #7 psyllium. I also bought the other sonne

> products

> > to

> > > fast with. I did this for almost 3 days. I know, they

> recommended

> > at

> > > least seven days! Anyway, after that fast I noticed that my

> stomach

> > > was getting bigger--especially below the waist. I feel like I

am

> > > bloated all the time. My lower abdomen makes me look like I am

4

> > > months pregnant. I have had bloating on and off at different

> points

> > > in my life, but this is almost constant. I also have been

feeling

> > > like I am full alot. This is when eating a normal amount or

even a

> > > small amount. It seems even when I fast it still looks pouched

> > out.

> > > I was concerned about ovarian cancer because I heard that these

> > could

> > > be symptoms. I had my yearly checkup and my gyne thought my

> ovaries

> > > felt normal size. He didn't do any special tests. NOw my

clothes

> > > aren't very comfortable and my stomach always seems to hang over

> my

> > > waistline a little with my pants on. ANd I look pregnant (in

my

> > view)

> > > unless I hold my stomach in...which I can't do endlessly!!

> > > My sister says it is just my age. I am 49. I have heard

> bloating

> > can

> > > be a symptom of menopause. Also putting on weight in lower

> > abdomen.

> > > I have thinning pubic hair this past year--almost like a

balding

> > spot

> > > (which is ridiculous). This apparently can be a perimenopausal

> > > symptom also. My doctor didn't seem concerned. I however am.

I

> > > tried exercising and it didn't make any difference. I am sure

> alot

> > of

> > > it is bloating!! I have also had irritable bowel since a teen,

> but

> > > this was never so constant. Any ideas anyone? I have seen

other

> > > women around my age with these " pregnant abdomens " but they are

> > > usually overweight. This is doing absolutely nothing for my

self

> > > image. IN fact, even when I suck my muscles in hard, if I lean

> > > forward there is a little " pouch " where my belly used to be

flat.

> I

> > > am becoming very selfconscious and no longer like at all how I

> look

> > in

> > > my clothes. If it is bloating how can Imake it stop? Not

eating

> > > doesn't appear to affect it much. As soon as I eat anything it

> > seems

> > > to swell right up. I have had this before. But only

> > intermittently.

> > > Anyone else have this? I feel like I could starve myself and

it

> > > wouldn't go away. I am doing the colosan now. It is supposed

to

> > > clean out the colon. It doesn't make my abdomen any flatter

> > though.

> > > Help!!

> > > Hugs, kathy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita

> > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but really

> > > cool,

> > > > it

> > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your water

> > > > percentage,

> > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you should

> eat

> > to

> > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the input carrie. Can you suggest some things for me to

do? Also, I am bummed about the stomach issue. I pretty much thought

along time ago I would have to have a tummy tuck just because of the

scar and stretch marks. But this other stuff has just happened

lately. It seems like it can be a symptom of irritable bowel,

menopause,ovarian cancer, and even scleroderma ( of which I feel I

have issues with) So it is just a little scary. No alot scary. I

made an appt in the middle of october to see a doctor---oh, how I hate

to do that!-that specializes in peri and post menopausal women. So I

think she will tell me if she thinks I should check further. In the

meantime, I want to do whatever I can to make the muscles in my

abdomen stronger, so suggest away. I think I must be getting close to

menopause--my periods are still regular but I swear my emotions are

all over the place. I cry when I read the paper, practically if

someone looks at me the wrong way! ANd it is getting worse!! And it

seems like I have pms all month. Sometimes I hate being a woman. I

really think we got a raw deal!! And my symptoms are definitely

getting worse lately. Apparently this time in our lives can make any

chronic condition worse. Lovely. I sure could use some prayers. Thanks

Blessings, kathy

> > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita

> > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but really

> > > > cool,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your water

> > > > > percentage,

> > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you should

> > eat

> > > to

> > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

the biggest thing you can do for your abdominal area esp at your age

(not saying your old) just that at 50 it wil require more work then

at 30 ya know what I mean, for me I think core stregnthening is where

it is at. The core is your entire abdominal area and it really is

imperative that you find things that will stregnthen it, the good

news! It does not require allot of money or expensive machines, goody

right?

I would go out and invest in two things, a pilates tape, get a nice

beginner one, Austin has one that is two workouts each 30

minutes long, all about toning and stregnthening the core, it also is

a bit of yoga so very relaxing and probably not too hard on your fms.

The second thing I would get is a good yoga ball. Go to a sporting

goods store and try to find one for your height. You will need to

inflate it so if you don't have a little bike tire inflater, ask the

store if they have one, the ones the balls come with are very hard to

fill the darned things up with, unless of course you have a big

strong hubby like mine hee hee. He blew mine up with that crappy lil

pump mine came with. They come with a sheet of workouts that are

pretty core related, but you may need to buy a little book that has

more core exercises in it too. I know of one on line for only 9

bucks. These two things will get your abs as fit as you can for cheap

and without much pain. The yoga ball can be really really nice for

your butt and thighs too, so it can come in handy, but almost

anything you do on it relates to building your core (abdominals)

because of the way it requires you to balance on it. Be causious of

your lower back, that is my only warning. Go slow on it and be

cautious of some moves that might put allot of strain on the lower

back. The reason I think this happens at first is because if your abs

are weak it makes sense your back would pick up the slack at first

until the abs get stronger.

Anyhow hopefully these ideas will help you. I know that my abs are

supposed to be very strong and " amazing " under all the skin according

to Dr Feng who I asked about a tummy tuck when I was there and she

said i was a perfect candidate for a tummy tuck once I got well from

implants, but she is pricey and to go there for a tummy tuck would be

hard, i mean it is a big surgery, scares me, I would trust her but I

have no idea how I could afford 2 weeks in Ohio so I doubt I will do

it unless I somehow inherit a fortune ha ha.

in the meantime I just have to do things the old fashioned way ya know

hope this helps honey, and maybe you will eventually need some

hormones, I would look into the bio identicals if possible.

hugs

In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for the input carrie. Can you suggest some things for me to

> do? Also, I am bummed about the stomach issue. I pretty much

thought

> along time ago I would have to have a tummy tuck just because of the

> scar and stretch marks. But this other stuff has just happened

> lately. It seems like it can be a symptom of irritable bowel,

> menopause,ovarian cancer, and even scleroderma ( of which I feel I

> have issues with) So it is just a little scary. No alot scary. I

> made an appt in the middle of october to see a doctor---oh, how I

hate

> to do that!-that specializes in peri and post menopausal women. So

I

> think she will tell me if she thinks I should check further. In the

> meantime, I want to do whatever I can to make the muscles in my

> abdomen stronger, so suggest away. I think I must be getting close

to

> menopause--my periods are still regular but I swear my emotions are

> all over the place. I cry when I read the paper, practically if

> someone looks at me the wrong way! ANd it is getting worse!! And

it

> seems like I have pms all month. Sometimes I hate being a woman. I

> really think we got a raw deal!! And my symptoms are definitely

> getting worse lately. Apparently this time in our lives can make

any

> chronic condition worse. Lovely. I sure could use some prayers.

Thanks

> Blessings, kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita

> > > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but

really

> > > > > cool,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your

water

> > > > > > percentage,

> > > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you

should

> > > eat

> > > > to

> > > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

-

Thanks for the advice. I am definitely going to get rolling on some

simple exercises and work my way up slowly. Some day I might look at

the tummy tuck also. But I am afraid to have another surgery at this

point. I have heard people who have immune illnesses say that some

times surgeries make their progress go backward. I want to be more

confident of my wellness first. Health before beauty!

I have some questions for anyone reading this post. Has anybody tried

the product called Clear from Awareness corp. I ordered it probably 2

years ago and never used it. Or how about Paragone? The curezone

site seems to like paragone. I am really thinking about doing a

parasite cleanse but am afraid of some of the ingredients. I hear

that wormwood can be quite toxic. It is so confusing when trying

products because someone will say it is great then someone else says

it doesn't work at all and you dont know what to think. I have alot

of products that I have neveer or seldom used because I had a

reaction--most likely a herx--to it. I still can't even work my nerve

up to do a liver cleanse. I am afraid of the epsom salts being too

much for me. What ever happened to the idea of people posting things

they tried that they thought helped? I think this is a great idea. I

also think it would be a great idea to list the things people tried

that didn't help. I would be willing to help compile the list but I

am not too brilliant at knowing how to display things on a computer.

Hugs, kathy

-- In , " naturalbeauty38 " <

naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> Kathy,

> the biggest thing you can do for your abdominal area esp at your age

> (not saying your old) just that at 50 it wil require more work then

> at 30 ya know what I mean, for me I think core stregnthening is where

> it is at. The core is your entire abdominal area and it really is

> imperative that you find things that will stregnthen it, the good

> news! It does not require allot of money or expensive machines, goody

> right?

> I would go out and invest in two things, a pilates tape, get a nice

> beginner one, Austin has one that is two workouts each 30

> minutes long, all about toning and stregnthening the core, it also is

> a bit of yoga so very relaxing and probably not too hard on your fms.

> The second thing I would get is a good yoga ball. Go to a sporting

> goods store and try to find one for your height. You will need to

> inflate it so if you don't have a little bike tire inflater, ask the

> store if they have one, the ones the balls come with are very hard to

> fill the darned things up with, unless of course you have a big

> strong hubby like mine hee hee. He blew mine up with that crappy lil

> pump mine came with. They come with a sheet of workouts that are

> pretty core related, but you may need to buy a little book that has

> more core exercises in it too. I know of one on line for only 9

> bucks. These two things will get your abs as fit as you can for cheap

> and without much pain. The yoga ball can be really really nice for

> your butt and thighs too, so it can come in handy, but almost

> anything you do on it relates to building your core (abdominals)

> because of the way it requires you to balance on it. Be causious of

> your lower back, that is my only warning. Go slow on it and be

> cautious of some moves that might put allot of strain on the lower

> back. The reason I think this happens at first is because if your abs

> are weak it makes sense your back would pick up the slack at first

> until the abs get stronger.

> Anyhow hopefully these ideas will help you. I know that my abs are

> supposed to be very strong and " amazing " under all the skin according

> to Dr Feng who I asked about a tummy tuck when I was there and she

> said i was a perfect candidate for a tummy tuck once I got well from

> implants, but she is pricey and to go there for a tummy tuck would be

> hard, i mean it is a big surgery, scares me, I would trust her but I

> have no idea how I could afford 2 weeks in Ohio so I doubt I will do

> it unless I somehow inherit a fortune ha ha.

> in the meantime I just have to do things the old fashioned way ya know

>

> hope this helps honey, and maybe you will eventually need some

> hormones, I would look into the bio identicals if possible.

> hugs

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for the input carrie. Can you suggest some things for me to

> > do? Also, I am bummed about the stomach issue. I pretty much

> thought

> > along time ago I would have to have a tummy tuck just because of the

> > scar and stretch marks. But this other stuff has just happened

> > lately. It seems like it can be a symptom of irritable bowel,

> > menopause,ovarian cancer, and even scleroderma ( of which I feel I

> > have issues with) So it is just a little scary. No alot scary. I

> > made an appt in the middle of october to see a doctor---oh, how I

> hate

> > to do that!-that specializes in peri and post menopausal women. So

> I

> > think she will tell me if she thinks I should check further. In the

> > meantime, I want to do whatever I can to make the muscles in my

> > abdomen stronger, so suggest away. I think I must be getting close

> to

> > menopause--my periods are still regular but I swear my emotions are

> > all over the place. I cry when I read the paper, practically if

> > someone looks at me the wrong way! ANd it is getting worse!! And

> it

> > seems like I have pms all month. Sometimes I hate being a woman. I

> > really think we got a raw deal!! And my symptoms are definitely

> > getting worse lately. Apparently this time in our lives can make

> any

> > chronic condition worse. Lovely. I sure could use some prayers.

> Thanks

> > Blessings, kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita

> > > > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but

> really

> > > > > > cool,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your

> water

> > > > > > > percentage,

> > > > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you

> should

> > > > eat

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

kathy, I agree-health should come first. I wouldn’t worry too much about it, and just start doing some more stomach workouts, like get one of the "Firm " tapes for just the abdoman, I think mine is 25 min long. I do it three times per week. See how much it helps.

My main problem in the first place, was harsh expectations on my appearance. it was all about being my best and I did whatever I could to get there,. Starving myself ,getting implants, working out 2 hours a day...It has taken me to get to this point of being so ill, I have let go of it and like you said put health first. I promised God that I would appreciate the real me more, and the body he gave me , imperfections and all- if I could get my health back. I really pleaded. I actually had to get counseling for this, for obsessive body image, you could say, and actually was told to stop working out for a month, and when I did go back I had to tell myself- everyday when I work out, I had a limit- 45 min, and it is for my health first. if I start looking better, it is a plus. It was too discouraging to be so ill, and not lose weight.

I am so happy now! heavier than I ever thought Id be (my God Im 5'7 and wear a size 11 now) but ok with it, as I have to get better. And I am loved, by God and my hubby skinny or not. Looking at all our little imperfections, is just silly to me, and too time consuming. I do workout, but let go of the rest. Love you,

Re: Kathy just a few thoughts/read this sweetie

-Thanks for the advice. I am definitely going to get rolling on somesimple exercises and work my way up slowly. Some day I might look atthe tummy tuck also. But I am afraid to have another surgery at thispoint. I have heard people who have immune illnesses say that sometimes surgeries make their progress go backward. I want to be moreconfident of my wellness first. Health before beauty! I have some questions for anyone reading this post. Has anybody triedthe product called Clear from Awareness corp. I ordered it probably 2years ago and never used it. Or how about Paragone? The curezonesite seems to like paragone. I am really thinking about doing aparasite cleanse but am afraid of some of the ingredients. I hearthat wormwood can be quite toxic. It is so confusing when tryingproducts because someone will say it is great then someone else saysit doesn't work at all and you dont know what to think. I have alotof products that I have neveer or seldom used because I had areaction--most likely a herx--to it. I still can't even work my nerveup to do a liver cleanse. I am afraid of the epsom salts being toomuch for me. What ever happened to the idea of people posting thingsthey tried that they thought helped? I think this is a great idea. Ialso think it would be a great idea to list the things people triedthat didn't help. I would be willing to help compile the list but Iam not too brilliant at knowing how to display things on a computer. Hugs, kathy-- In , "naturalbeauty38" <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:> Kathy,> the biggest thing you can do for your abdominal area esp at your age > (not saying your old) just that at 50 it wil require more work then > at 30 ya know what I mean, for me I think core stregnthening is where > it is at. The core is your entire abdominal area and it really is > imperative that you find things that will stregnthen it, the good > news! It does not require allot of money or expensive machines, goody > right?> I would go out and invest in two things, a pilates tape, get a nice > beginner one, Austin has one that is two workouts each 30 > minutes long, all about toning and stregnthening the core, it also is > a bit of yoga so very relaxing and probably not too hard on your fms. > The second thing I would get is a good yoga ball. Go to a sporting > goods store and try to find one for your height. You will need to > inflate it so if you don't have a little bike tire inflater, ask the > store if they have one, the ones the balls come with are very hard to > fill the darned things up with, unless of course you have a big > strong hubby like mine hee hee. He blew mine up with that crappy lil > pump mine came with. They come with a sheet of workouts that are > pretty core related, but you may need to buy a little book that has > more core exercises in it too. I know of one on line for only 9 > bucks. These two things will get your abs as fit as you can for cheap > and without much pain. The yoga ball can be really really nice for > your butt and thighs too, so it can come in handy, but almost > anything you do on it relates to building your core (abdominals) > because of the way it requires you to balance on it. Be causious of > your lower back, that is my only warning. Go slow on it and be > cautious of some moves that might put allot of strain on the lower > back. The reason I think this happens at first is because if your abs > are weak it makes sense your back would pick up the slack at first > until the abs get stronger.> Anyhow hopefully these ideas will help you. I know that my abs are > supposed to be very strong and "amazing" under all the skin according > to Dr Feng who I asked about a tummy tuck when I was there and she > said i was a perfect candidate for a tummy tuck once I got well from > implants, but she is pricey and to go there for a tummy tuck would be > hard, i mean it is a big surgery, scares me, I would trust her but I > have no idea how I could afford 2 weeks in Ohio so I doubt I will do > it unless I somehow inherit a fortune ha ha.> in the meantime I just have to do things the old fashioned way ya know> > hope this helps honey, and maybe you will eventually need some > hormones, I would look into the bio identicals if possible.> hugs> > > > > > > In , "mikat828" <mikat828@y...> wrote:> > > > Thanks for the input carrie. Can you suggest some things for me to> > do? Also, I am bummed about the stomach issue. I pretty much > thought> > along time ago I would have to have a tummy tuck just because of the> > scar and stretch marks. But this other stuff has just happened> > lately. It seems like it can be a symptom of irritable bowel,> > menopause,ovarian cancer, and even scleroderma ( of which I feel I> > have issues with) So it is just a little scary. No alot scary. I> > made an appt in the middle of october to see a doctor---oh, how I > hate> > to do that!-that specializes in peri and post menopausal women. So > I> > think she will tell me if she thinks I should check further. In the> > meantime, I want to do whatever I can to make the muscles in my> > abdomen stronger, so suggest away. I think I must be getting close > to> > menopause--my periods are still regular but I swear my emotions are> > all over the place. I cry when I read the paper, practically if> > someone looks at me the wrong way! ANd it is getting worse!! And > it> > seems like I have pms all month. Sometimes I hate being a woman. I> > really think we got a raw deal!! And my symptoms are definitely> > getting worse lately. Apparently this time in our lives can make > any> > chronic condition worse. Lovely. I sure could use some prayers. > Thanks> > Blessings, kathy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita > > > > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but > really> > > > > > cool, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your > water > > > > > > > percentage, > > > > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you > should> > > > eat > > > > > to > > > > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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carrie ,you should go into physical therapy. they are the ones that can do what you would like to do! Love julie

Re: Kathy just a few thoughts/read this sweetie

Kathy,Listen I know that everyone with FMS is different but there are def some stregnthening and fat burning exercises I feel can be done with minumum residual effect on your FMS condition. I really want to be a personal trainer and work with all kinds esp people with these illnesses because I feel I am just simply in remission and maybe not even "cured" due to my life style. I have tons of natural endorphions going on in my body that give me so much energy everyday. I am usually just bouncing around off the walls. So I know that you can only do so much when it comes to skin vs fat. If you feel that your gaining fat in your abdominal area, it could be, very possible, that you are. However your description is sounding to me more like a skin issue. If it is related to your stretch marked, C section scar area, then it could be that you have not enough fat under the skin or muscle and the muscle tone decresing could be why your noticing more skin in that area. it is hard for me to tell since I don't know what you even look like. I can tell you that i pretty much am a solid person with a low body fat of 16% you cannot pinch much fat on me at all, but on my lower abdominal area, I don't have a totally flat tummy either, I am only 40, so I imagine if I don't continue to work at it like I am it will worse in another 10 years, that seems natural.If I continue working it, I think I can keep it pretty firm, however, if I get like you said, on my side, or hands and knees, that skin that is there will hang down a bit from having a baby it just is not fair. I know several women that only got one stretch mark, or none, on their bellies, my best friend and work out partner is one, she has natural big boobs and NO STRETCH MARKS on her belly. I don't know what the deal is but, I think it is skin elasticity and genetics. My mom got stretch marks with her first baby and she only gained 20 pounds! can you imagine, however, my mother has the skin of a 59 year old and she is 74 so who knows, my girlfriends mom is only 56 and looks older than my mom in the skin department, lifestyle maybe, sun damage, who knows???? it is all so hard to determine. I know that if you have what I have the only permanent solution is plastic surgery, tummy tuck. Not lipo. However, I have been on the fence with this as I don't know if I really want to do it, I can still wear a bikini if the top of it hits right below my navel , and do i really need a skimpier bikini than that? It sounds fun, but at the same time, it is a big surgery so I just don't know that I want to deal with it all.I think that it might be a good idea for you to find someone to test your body fat. One of those tanita scales is a better way since it can tell the difference between fat and skin, while the calipers(pinch test) doesn't know skin from fat. Other wise it may just be skin and not much you can do other than work the muscles under neathe to get it a bit tighter. I have found with flab if you build the muscle underneathe it looks tighter and better but with excess skin it is harder.I hope this all makes sense. I need to go get ready cause my workout buddy is almost here.hugs and hang in there.In , "mikat828" <mikat828@y...> wrote:> -> CArrie> Mostly I just walk. Because of the fms I can be put up for days with> exercise. I sometimes stretch--and I know I should do it everyday. > For awhile I was doing some stomach exercises but it didnt seem to> make any difference. Then again, it didn't for dale either. I need> to do more. I have also noticed that if I lay on my side my lower> abdomen kind of pouches out. If I suck it in real hard it looks> better but not gone. Same if I were to get on my hands and knees. > Geez! when did all this crap happen? I used to be so thin you could> always see my hip bones. Now it is like I have this little moveable> roll of skin there. Are there any exercises that would tighten that> or would plastic surgery be the only help? I feel like my lower> abdomen looks like some older women's upper arms--kind of hangy. The> stretch marks and nice c-section scar from my navel to my pubic bone> doesn't help. Ok, I am getting real depressed now! Does anyone know> if the skin just gets looser in the abdomen as you hit around 50? Not> that most of you are that age! I would appreciate any recs on> exercises that could help. Thanks> Kathy> > > > > > > > > -- In , "naturalbeauty38"> <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:> > I do know that as we age we do tend to gain in this area, this a > > fact, I also carry more wieght in my waist than any other body> part, > > and have the little pouch from my pregnancy, below my navel way> down > > low. However this does not sound like what you describe. I am > > wondering if you are taking allot of supplements that could be > > causing it. I know everyone thinks supps are the greatest thing on > > earth, but personally I like getting my vitamins from food and feel > > better when I do. Supps make me bloated and blah, I just don't take > > them and don't feel bad at all for it. In fact I feel better when I > > don't take them. Crazy huh? Anyhow that is how I feel.> > I mean there could be a zillion reasons for this, but I would be > > interested in knowing what your diet is, what your exercise routine > > is, etc etc.> > Remember too, that as we age, we need to do more stregnth training> to > > help our body from losing muscle and turing to fat. It is sad, but> a > > fact of life that women lose muscle and bone fast after 30 and > > beyond, every year if they don't exercise. I know you have allot of > > health issues but I highly recomend that you workout and try to> stay > > away from the supps for a bit and see if that helps.> > I am sure that others will have some ideas too, and maybe those> will > > be better than mine, I just know what I experienced with too much> of > > the supps and crap. I mean believe it or not we can get too carried > > away with some treamtents when we think it is the magic button, but > > in my own opinion there is no magic button better than working out > > for feeling and looking better.> > If those things don't work, I would try to find a Dr that will do > > more for you.> > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , "mikat828" <mikat828@y...> wrote:> > > Hey I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I am thin, weigh> like> > > 124 lbs and am 5'6". The only place I ever put weight on is in my> > > middle. Everywhere else is pretty skinny. But even with putting> > > weight on there, my stomach didn't look bad--especially in the> > > mornings. Anyway, about 6 months ago, I did a detox with> bentonite> > > and the sonne #7 psyllium. I also bought the other sonne> products > > to> > > fast with. I did this for almost 3 days. I know, they> recommended > > at> > > least seven days! Anyway, after that fast I noticed that my> stomach> > > was getting bigger--especially below the waist. I feel like I am> > > bloated all the time. My lower abdomen makes me look like I am 4> > > months pregnant. I have had bloating on and off at different> points> > > in my life, but this is almost constant. I also have been feeling> > > like I am full alot. This is when eating a normal amount or even a> > > small amount. It seems even when I fast it still looks pouched > > out. > > > I was concerned about ovarian cancer because I heard that these > > could> > > be symptoms. I had my yearly checkup and my gyne thought my> ovaries> > > felt normal size. He didn't do any special tests. NOw my clothes> > > aren't very comfortable and my stomach always seems to hang over> my> > > waistline a little with my pants on. ANd I look pregnant (in my > > view)> > > unless I hold my stomach in...which I can't do endlessly!!> > > My sister says it is just my age. I am 49. I have heard> bloating > > can> > > be a symptom of menopause. Also putting on weight in lower > > abdomen. > > > I have thinning pubic hair this past year--almost like a balding > > spot> > > (which is ridiculous). This apparently can be a perimenopausal> > > symptom also. My doctor didn't seem concerned. I however am. I> > > tried exercising and it didn't make any difference. I am sure> alot > > of> > > it is bloating!! I have also had irritable bowel since a teen,> but> > > this was never so constant. Any ideas anyone? I have seen other> > > women around my age with these "pregnant abdomens" but they are> > > usually overweight. This is doing absolutely nothing for my self> > > image. IN fact, even when I suck my muscles in hard, if I lean> > > forward there is a little "pouch" where my belly used to be flat.> I> > > am becoming very selfconscious and no longer like at all how I> look > > in> > > my clothes. If it is bloating how can Imake it stop? Not eating> > > doesn't appear to affect it much. As soon as I eat anything it > > seems> > > to swell right up. I have had this before. But only > > intermittently.> > > Anyone else have this? I feel like I could starve myself and it> > > wouldn't go away. I am doing the colosan now. It is supposed to> > > clean out the colon. It doesn't make my abdomen any flatter > > though. > > > Help!!> > > Hugs, kathy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but really> > > cool, > > > > it > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your water > > > > percentage, > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you should> eat > > to > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Physical therapy would be great, but in Idaho and most states it now

requires a masters degree, and I just don't think i can do 7 years of

school, full time mind you.

In , " JOSEPH PALANCA " <juliejp61@m...>

wrote:

> carrie ,you should go into physical therapy. they are the ones that

can do what you would like to do! Love julie

> Re: Kathy just a few thoughts/read this

sweetie

>

>

>

> Kathy,

> Listen I know that everyone with FMS is different but there are

def

> some stregnthening and fat burning exercises I feel can be done

with

> minumum residual effect on your FMS condition. I really want to

be a

> personal trainer and work with all kinds esp people with these

> illnesses because I feel I am just simply in remission and maybe

not

> even " cured " due to my life style. I have tons of natural

endorphions

> going on in my body that give me so much energy everyday. I am

> usually just bouncing around off the walls. So I know that you

can

> only do so much when it comes to skin vs fat. If you feel that

your

> gaining fat in your abdominal area, it could be, very possible,

that

> you are. However your description is sounding to me more like a

skin

> issue. If it is related to your stretch marked, C section scar

area,

> then it could be that you have not enough fat under the skin or

> muscle and the muscle tone decresing could be why your noticing

more

> skin in that area. it is hard for me to tell since I don't know

what

> you even look like. I can tell you that i pretty much am a solid

> person with a low body fat of 16% you cannot pinch much fat on me

at

> all, but on my lower abdominal area, I don't have a totally flat

> tummy either, I am only 40, so I imagine if I don't continue to

work

> at it like I am it will worse in another 10 years, that seems

> natural.If I continue working it, I think I can keep it pretty

firm,

> however, if I get like you said, on my side, or hands and knees,

that

> skin that is there will hang down a bit from having a baby it

just is

> not fair. I know several women that only got one stretch mark, or

> none, on their bellies, my best friend and work out partner is

one,

> she has natural big boobs and NO STRETCH MARKS on her belly. I

don't

> know what the deal is but, I think it is skin elasticity and

> genetics. My mom got stretch marks with her first baby and she

only

> gained 20 pounds! can you imagine, however, my mother has the

skin of

> a 59 year old and she is 74 so who knows, my girlfriends mom is

only

> 56 and looks older than my mom in the skin department, lifestyle

> maybe, sun damage, who knows???? it is all so hard to determine.

I

> know that if you have what I have the only permanent solution is

> plastic surgery, tummy tuck. Not lipo. However, I have been on

the

> fence with this as I don't know if I really want to do it, I can

> still wear a bikini if the top of it hits right below my navel ,

and

> do i really need a skimpier bikini than that? It sounds fun, but

at

> the same time, it is a big surgery so I just don't know that I

want

> to deal with it all.

> I think that it might be a good idea for you to find someone to

test

> your body fat. One of those tanita scales is a better way since

it

> can tell the difference between fat and skin, while the calipers

> (pinch test) doesn't know skin from fat.

> Other wise it may just be skin and not much you can do other than

> work the muscles under neathe to get it a bit tighter. I have

found

> with flab if you build the muscle underneathe it looks tighter

and

> better but with excess skin it is harder.

> I hope this all makes sense. I need to go get ready cause my

workout

> buddy is almost here.

> hugs and hang in there.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In

<mailto: >, "

mikat828 " <mikat828@y<mailto:mikat828@y>...> wrote:

> > -

> > CArrie

> > Mostly I just walk. Because of the fms I can be put up for

days

> with

> > exercise. I sometimes stretch--and I know I should do it

everyday.

> > For awhile I was doing some stomach exercises but it didnt seem

to

> > make any difference. Then again, it didn't for dale either. I

need

> > to do more. I have also noticed that if I lay on my side my

lower

> > abdomen kind of pouches out. If I suck it in real hard it looks

> > better but not gone. Same if I were to get on my hands and

knees.

> > Geez! when did all this crap happen? I used to be so thin you

> could

> > always see my hip bones. Now it is like I have this little

moveable

> > roll of skin there. Are there any exercises that would tighten

that

> > or would plastic surgery be the only help? I feel like my lower

> > abdomen looks like some older women's upper arms--kind of

hangy.

> The

> > stretch marks and nice c-section scar from my navel to my pubic

bone

> > doesn't help. Ok, I am getting real depressed now! Does

anyone

> know

> > if the skin just gets looser in the abdomen as you hit around

50?

> Not

> > that most of you are that age! I would appreciate any recs on

> > exercises that could help. Thanks

> > Kathy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In

<mailto: >, "

naturalbeauty38 "

> > <naturalbeauty38@y<mailto:naturalbeauty38@y>...> wrote:

> > > I do know that as we age we do tend to gain in this area,

this a

> > > fact, I also carry more wieght in my waist than any other body

> > part,

> > > and have the little pouch from my pregnancy, below my navel

way

> > down

> > > low. However this does not sound like what you describe. I am

> > > wondering if you are taking allot of supplements that could

be

> > > causing it. I know everyone thinks supps are the greatest

thing

> on

> > > earth, but personally I like getting my vitamins from food

and

> feel

> > > better when I do. Supps make me bloated and blah, I just

don't

> take

> > > them and don't feel bad at all for it. In fact I feel better

when

> I

> > > don't take them. Crazy huh? Anyhow that is how I feel.

> > > I mean there could be a zillion reasons for this, but I would

be

> > > interested in knowing what your diet is, what your exercise

> routine

> > > is, etc etc.

> > > Remember too, that as we age, we need to do more stregnth

training

> > to

> > > help our body from losing muscle and turing to fat. It is

sad, but

> > a

> > > fact of life that women lose muscle and bone fast after 30

and

> > > beyond, every year if they don't exercise. I know you have

allot

> of

> > > health issues but I highly recomend that you workout and try

to

> > stay

> > > away from the supps for a bit and see if that helps.

> > > I am sure that others will have some ideas too, and maybe

those

> > will

> > > be better than mine, I just know what I experienced with too

much

> > of

> > > the supps and crap. I mean believe it or not we can get too

> carried

> > > away with some treamtents when we think it is the magic

button,

> but

> > > in my own opinion there is no magic button better than

working

> out

> > > for feeling and looking better.

> > > If those things don't work, I would try to find a Dr that

will do

> > > more for you.

> > > blessings

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In

<mailto: >, "

mikat828 " <mikat828@y<mailto:mikat828@y>...>

> wrote:

> > > > Hey I have a problem that is driving me nuts. I am thin,

weigh

> > like

> > > > 124 lbs and am 5'6 " . The only place I ever put weight on

is in

> my

> > > > middle. Everywhere else is pretty skinny. But even with

> putting

> > > > weight on there, my stomach didn't look bad--especially in

the

> > > > mornings. Anyway, about 6 months ago, I did a detox with

> > bentonite

> > > > and the sonne #7 psyllium. I also bought the other sonne

> > products

> > > to

> > > > fast with. I did this for almost 3 days. I know, they

> > recommended

> > > at

> > > > least seven days! Anyway, after that fast I noticed that my

> > stomach

> > > > was getting bigger--especially below the waist. I feel

like I

> am

> > > > bloated all the time. My lower abdomen makes me look like

I am

> 4

> > > > months pregnant. I have had bloating on and off at

different

> > points

> > > > in my life, but this is almost constant. I also have been

> feeling

> > > > like I am full alot. This is when eating a normal amount or

> even a

> > > > small amount. It seems even when I fast it still looks

pouched

> > > out.

> > > > I was concerned about ovarian cancer because I heard that

these

> > > could

> > > > be symptoms. I had my yearly checkup and my gyne thought my

> > ovaries

> > > > felt normal size. He didn't do any special tests. NOw my

> clothes

> > > > aren't very comfortable and my stomach always seems to hang

over

> > my

> > > > waistline a little with my pants on. ANd I look pregnant

(in

> my

> > > view)

> > > > unless I hold my stomach in...which I can't do endlessly!!

> > > > My sister says it is just my age. I am 49. I have heard

> > bloating

> > > can

> > > > be a symptom of menopause. Also putting on weight in lower

> > > abdomen.

> > > > I have thinning pubic hair this past year--almost like a

> balding

> > > spot

> > > > (which is ridiculous). This apparently can be a

perimenopausal

> > > > symptom also. My doctor didn't seem concerned. I however

am.

> I

> > > > tried exercising and it didn't make any difference. I am

sure

> > alot

> > > of

> > > > it is bloating!! I have also had irritable bowel since a

teen,

> > but

> > > > this was never so constant. Any ideas anyone? I have seen

> other

> > > > women around my age with these " pregnant abdomens " but they

are

> > > > usually overweight. This is doing absolutely nothing for

my

> self

> > > > image. IN fact, even when I suck my muscles in hard, if I

lean

> > > > forward there is a little " pouch " where my belly used to be

> flat.

> > I

> > > > am becoming very selfconscious and no longer like at all

how I

> > look

> > > in

> > > > my clothes. If it is bloating how can Imake it stop? Not

> eating

> > > > doesn't appear to affect it much. As soon as I eat

anything it

> > > seems

> > > > to swell right up. I have had this before. But only

> > > intermittently.

> > > > Anyone else have this? I feel like I could starve myself

and

> it

> > > > wouldn't go away. I am doing the colosan now. It is

supposed

> to

> > > > clean out the colon. It doesn't make my abdomen any

flatter

> > > though.

> > > > Help!!

> > > > Hugs, kathy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I wanted to give a little plug for the tanita

> > > > > > weight scale they have at my work. It is pricey but

really

> > > > cool,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > tells you your weight, body fat percent,BMI, your

water

> > > > > percentage,

> > > > > > how many calories you burn a day and how much you

should

> > eat

> > > to

> > > > > > maintain your wegiht. It was interesting I tell ya.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >