RE: Re: Patty &Rogene/, massage

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Paty, your posts speaks volumes. My hubby had had chronic back issues, that need a chiropractor upkeep twice per week. Lucky, our ins covers it. I am going to do a kidney flush on him, and work down as you said. So you mind sharing what kidney flush you did? He also def needs to cut back on meat, he is a heavy user, if I am not around! Crappy fast food, italian sandwhich wrappers I find in his truck! Little sneaker, then he feels like crap all day. I never thought about flushes and cleanses helping his back, I knew a change in diet, which he is better about 70% of the time with me, cooking, but wow, I am so excited about this. Thank you....

>From: "glory2glory1401" <glory2glory1401@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Patty & Rogene/, massage >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:33:56 -0000 > > > >I don't understand why insurance companies are so willing to dish >out thousands of dollars for pain pills (that don't actually >contribute toward healing of any sort), yet are not willing to pay >for therapeutic massage, which could help bring about not only pain >relief, but long lasting "root cause" relief as well. It makes no >sense. I remember Daryl telling me that her Duragesic patches cost >$1500 a month. WOW. That would pay for alot of massages! And I >think the massages would do so much more than the pain pills. > >I hope nobody misunderstands me...I know that some of our women are >in so much pain that they need those pain pills just to be able to >get through a day--but without making an effort to get beyond the >pain pills, it is just spinning wheels to me. > >We went through the same thing with my husband and his back issues. >He suffered from debilitating back pain for some time, going to >chiropractors and DO's for adjustments, and it got to the point that >the insurance company finally even paid for physical therapy. It >was never long lasting--only temporary relief. I have no doubt that >eventually they would have suggested back surgery of some sort. This >went on for several years. Spinning wheels, never getting anywhere. > >When he complained that the pain was in his kidney area, and >radiated down his leg, I decided to put him on a kidney cleanse, and >from there we moved on to colon cleanses and other detoxification >therapies. This was after I started learning all I needed to learn >about my own healing. Voila! Imagine our delight and surprise when >his pain went away! It has stayed away because he made lifelong >changes to his eating habits. We have, on our own, discovered that >a diet heavy in meats and/or processed foods, without making sure >that his colon is kept clear, brings back that back pain. So, it >turned out to be entirely a problem associated with his diet and his >colon. Perhaps it is a situation where an impacted colon presses on >a nerve or something of the sort. But the point was that all the >money the insurance companies were willing to throw at it through >traditional medicine WOULD NOT HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM. They were >looking everywhere but the right place. Simply paying for some >colon cleansing, and then teaching him how to keep his colon clear >would have fixed him. As it is, we found that out for free, using >our own brains. > >We have a bloated, ineffective health care system that throws away >dollars, and leaves people hurting. Sometimes in worse shape than >they started. It is sad. > >Patty > > > > > > Patty, I agree with you on insurance covering therapeutic >massages! > > They help as much or more than anything, but are so expensive. You > > got a deal in the DR! Rogene, I'm so glad you're doing so well. >How > > come you were smart enough to get explanted 11 years ago and I > > wasn't???? Love, Annie > > > > > > >

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We did the Hulda flush....I think you can find it on the net, but just in case, here is the recipe. It is more involved than I'd like it to be, and we haven't done it since then. I am wondering if you could use kidney supporting herbs pills instead?

Kidney Cleanse from Dr. Hulda 's book "The Cure for All Diseases">> 1/2 cup dried Hydrangea root> 1/2 cup Gravel root> 1/2 cup Marshmallow root> 4 bunches of fresh parley (organic)> Goldenrod tincture (leave this out if you are allergic to it)> Ginger capsules> Uva Ursi capsules> Vegetable glycerin> Black cherry concentrate, 8 ounces> Vitamin B 6, 250 mg> Magnesium oxide tablets, 300 mg>> Measure 1/4 cup of each root and set them to soak, together in 10 cups of> cold water, using a non-metal container and a non-metal lid (a dinnerplate> will do.) After 4 hours, or overnight, add 8 oz. black cherryconcentrate,> heat to boiling and simmer for 20 minutes. Drink 1/4 cup as soon as it is> cool enough. Pour the rest through a bamboo strainer into a sterile pint> jar (glass) and several freezable

containers. Refrigerate the glass jar.>> Boil the fresh parsley, after rinsing, in 1 quart of water for 3 minutes.> Drink 1/4 cup when cool enough. Refrigerate a pint and freeze 1 pint.> Throw away the parsley.>> Dose: each morning, pour together 3/4 cup of the root mixture and 1/2 cup> parsley water, filling a large mug. Add 20 drops of goldenrod tinctureand> 1 tablespoon of vegetable glycerin. Drink this mixture in divided doses> throught the day. Keep cold. Do not drink it all at once, or you willget> a stomach ache and feel pressure in your bladder. If you stomach is very> sensitive, start on half this dose.>> Save the roots after the first boiling, storing them in the freezer.After> 13 days when your supply runs low, boil the same roots a second time, but> add only 6 cups water and simmer only 10 minutes. This

will last another8> days, for a total of three weeks. You may cook the roots a third time if> you wish, but the recipe gets less potent. If you problem is severe, only> cook them twice.>> After three weeks, repeat with fresh herbs. You need to do the Kidney> Cleanse for six weeks to get good results, longer for severe problems.>> Also take:> Ginger capsules, one with each meal (3/day)> Uva Ursi capsules: one with breakfast and two with supper> Vitamin B6 (250 mg): one a day> Magnesium oxide (300 mg): one a day.>> Take these supplements just before your meal to avoid burping.>> Some notes on this recipe:>> this herbal tea as well as the parsley, can easily spoil. Heat it to> boiling every fourth day if it is being stored in the refrigerator, this> resterilizes it. If you sterilize it in the morning you may take

it towork> without refrigerating it. (use a glass container).>> When you order herbs, be careful! Herb companies are not the same!These> roots should have a strong fragrance. If the ones you buy are barely> fragrant, they have lost their active ingredients; switch to a different> supplier. Fresh roots can be used. Do not use powder.>> Remember that Vitamin B6 and Magnesium, taken daily, can prevent oxalate> stones from forming in your kidneys. But only if you stop drinking tea.> Tea has 15.6 mg oxalic acid per cup. A tall glass of iced tea could give> you over 20 mg oxalic acid. Switch to herb teas. Cocoa and chocolatealso> have too much oxalic acid to be used as beverages. Remember, too, that> phosphate crystals are made when you eat too much phosphate. Phosphate> levels are high in meats, breads,

cereals, pastas, and carbonated drinks.> Eat less of these, and increase your milk, (2%), fruits and vegetables.> Drink at least 2 pints of water daily.>> Cleanse your kidneys at least twice a year.>> You can dissolve all your kidney stones in 3 weeks, but make new ones in 3> days if you are drinking tea and cocoa and phosphated beverages.>Hugs,

PattyJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Paty, your posts speaks volumes. My hubby had had chronic back issues, that need a chiropractor upkeep twice per week. Lucky, our ins covers it. I am going to do a kidney flush on him, and work down as you said. So you mind sharing what kidney flush you did? He also def needs to cut back on meat, he is a heavy user, if I am not around! Crappy fast food, italian sandwhich wrappers I find in his truck! Little sneaker, then he feels like crap all day. I never thought about flushes and cleanses helping his back, I knew a change in diet, which he is better about 70% of the time with me, cooking, but wow, I am so excited about this. Thank you....

>From: "glory2glory1401" <glory2glory1401@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Patty & Rogene/, massage >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:33:56 -0000 > > > >I don't understand why insurance companies are so willing to dish >out thousands of dollars for pain pills (that don't actually >contribute toward healing of any sort), yet are not willing to pay >for therapeutic massage, which could help bring about not only pain >relief, but long lasting "root cause" relief as well. It makes no >sense. I remember Daryl telling me that her Duragesic patches cost >$1500 a month. WOW. That would pay for alot of massages! And I >think the massages would do so much more than the pain pills. > >I hope nobody misunderstands me...I know that some of our women are

>in so much pain that they need those pain pills just to be able to >get through a day--but without making an effort to get beyond the >pain pills, it is just spinning wheels to me. > >We went through the same thing with my husband and his back issues. >He suffered from debilitating back pain for some time, going to >chiropractors and DO's for adjustments, and it got to the point that >the insurance company finally even paid for physical therapy. It >was never long lasting--only temporary relief. I have no doubt that >eventually they would have suggested back surgery of some sort. This >went on for several years. Spinning wheels, never getting anywhere. > >When he complained that the pain was in his kidney area, and >radiated down his leg, I decided to put him on a kidney cleanse, and >from there we moved on to colon cleanses and other detoxification >therapies. This was after I started learning all I needed to learn >about my own

healing. Voila! Imagine our delight and surprise when >his pain went away! It has stayed away because he made lifelong >changes to his eating habits. We have, on our own, discovered that >a diet heavy in meats and/or processed foods, without making sure >that his colon is kept clear, brings back that back pain. So, it >turned out to be entirely a problem associated with his diet and his >colon. Perhaps it is a situation where an impacted colon presses on >a nerve or something of the sort. But the point was that all the >money the insurance companies were willing to throw at it through >traditional medicine WOULD NOT HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM. They were >looking everywhere but the right place. Simply paying for some >colon cleansing, and then teaching him how to keep his colon clear >would have fixed him. As it is, we found that out for free, using >our own brains. > >We have a bloated, ineffective health care system that throws away

>dollars, and leaves people hurting. Sometimes in worse shape than >they started. It is sad. > >Patty > > > > > > Patty, I agree with you on insurance covering therapeutic >massages! > > They help as much or more than anything, but are so expensive. You > > got a deal in the DR! Rogene, I'm so glad you're doing so well. >How > > come you were smart enough to get explanted 11 years ago and I > > wasn't???? Love, Annie > > > > > > >

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Patty, thank you so much for your time on this one. I have it printed! I will do it! Love

Re: Patty & Rogene/, massage >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:33:56 -0000 > > > >I don't understand why insurance companies are so willing to dish >out thousands of dollars for pain pills (that don't actually >contribute toward healing of any sort), yet are not willing to pay >for therapeutic massage, which could help bring about not only pain >relief, but long lasting "root cause" relief as well. It makes no >sense. I remember Daryl telling me that her Duragesic patches cost >$1500 a month. WOW. That would pay for alot of massages! And I >think the massages would do so much more than the pain pills. > >I hope nobody misunderstands me...I know that some of our women are >in so much pain that they need those pain pills just to be able to >get through a day--but without making an effort to get beyond the >pain pills, it is just spinning wheels to me. > >We went through the same thing with my husband and his back issues. >He suffered from debilitating back pain for some time, going to >chiropractors and DO's for adjustments, and it got to the point that >the insurance company finally even paid for physical therapy. It >was never long lasting--only temporary relief. I have no doubt that >eventually they would have suggested back surgery of some sort. This >went on for several years. Spinning wheels, never getting anywhere. > >When he complained that the pain was in his kidney area, and >radiated down his leg, I decided to put him on a kidney cleanse, and >from there we moved on to colon cleanses and other detoxification >therapies. This was after I started learning all I needed to learn >about my own healing. Voila! Imagine our delight and surprise when >his pain went away! It has stayed away because he made lifelong >changes to his eating habits. We have, on our own, discovered that >a diet heavy in meats and/or processed foods, without making sure >that his colon is kept clear, brings back that back pain. So, it >turned out to be entirely a problem associated with his diet and his >colon. Perhaps it is a situation where an impacted colon presses on >a nerve or something of the sort. But the point was that all the >money the insurance companies were willing to throw at it through >traditional medicine WOULD NOT HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM. They were >looking everywhere but the right place. Simply paying for some >colon cleansing, and then teaching him how to keep his colon clear >would have fixed him. As it is, we found that out for free, using >our own brains. > >We have a bloated, ineffective health care system that throws away >dollars, and leaves people hurting. Sometimes in worse shape than >they started. It is sad. > >Patty > > > > > > Patty, I agree with you on insurance covering therapeutic >massages! > > They help as much or more than anything, but are so expensive. You > > got a deal in the DR! Rogene, I'm so glad you're doing so well. >How > > come you were smart enough to get explanted 11 years ago and I > > wasn't???? Love, Annie > > > > > > >

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It was a quick copy and paste, thankfully! I learned awhile ago to save this stuff for times like these!

Good luck . I really do hope your husband gets relief from his back pain like mine did. My hubby is hunting for 9 days up by the Nevada-Idaho border....it used to be that he would suffer greatly during his camping out time. But now, he has it licked!

Love,

PattyJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Patty, thank you so much for your time on this one. I have it printed! I will do it! Love __________________________________________________

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Good idea Patty. Thank you again Love julie

Re: Re: Patty & Rogene/, massage

It was a quick copy and paste, thankfully! I learned awhile ago to save this stuff for times like these!

Good luck . I really do hope your husband gets relief from his back pain like mine did. My hubby is hunting for 9 days up by the Nevada-Idaho border....it used to be that he would suffer greatly during his camping out time. But now, he has it licked!

Love,

PattyJOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Patty, thank you so much for your time on this one. I have it printed! I will do it! Love

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