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> Has anyone had any luck with the www.lauricidin.com website lately -

it seems to be down - does anyone know if they are still in business?

> Cheers H

Hi ,

I just ordered from the sight on Fri. night and it seemed to work

fine. Hope I get my order, I'm loving the lauricidin for Tom :-).

Peace and grace,

Sally, mom to

Tom, 8yo dx AS but on the road to recovery

Ben, 5yo NT by the grace of God

Gracie, 2yo NT and unvaccinated

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> Hi there, anyone using GSE could you please give me the web address

of where you buy it - we are using a liquid one but think a tablet or

capsule may be better - thanks

Check the bottom of this page

http://www.nutribiotic.com/GSELiquid.htm

Dana

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H

I will set you to No Mail - Read at web only. That way you can read

as you have time. When you get back, just switch yourself to mail

again, or let me know and I will do it.

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,

Chill out. I admit I should not have jumped down your throat the way I did but this implant subject can be a hot topic. I could have phased my comments to you better than I did. You seemed to come off as a know it all, if that isn't true, say so.I don't know what all went down with you and my friends from breast implant facts but they didn't tell me they hated you, what I did know from them is they felt rejected and like oddballs and not liked by you and a couple of other ones here. Your name did come up but it wasn't hateful. What you are saying that they don't like you they told me the same thing about you that you didn't like them and that's why they left and started a new group. That is all I know.I know was a moderator here too.I have to say this too. has a right to send out invitations to all groups she likes. People join if the want to. No gun was put to my head. I like the group. It is friendly and nothing is wrong with that. told me she put

allot of work into saline support she helped to build it when she left she had a right to invite her friends to her new group. I don't think it is my business or yours to tell her who she can or can't invite to her group.Do you see what I mean?

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

ASk her to stay? After she talked to me several times they way she did? Calling me mean, and ignorant and full of myself, and telling me I better not give out thyroid advise or I could get into trouble? When I merely helped to locate a doc for someone? Also that she was going to make a complaint on me? For what? Have you read my posts ? She is from the other two girls that starting up a lot of trouble here for years. Both both Marie and did not like me, So this makes perfect sense I Am being attacked. Why? I don’t know. Because I get into natural medicine and have gotten better and went to Dr Kolb and have advise? And didn’t want Feng for my situation ? If Patty was home, I don’t think that mean message from Stacey would have gotten on board. It was very upsetting. Im still upset She shouldn’t be here. it is not for the good of any group what she is doing and up to .

Re: Re: Sisters...Experiencing health problems> > ,> > I've lived in the "implant world" for over 27 years . . . Some of the other ladies here have lived been here longer. . . From what I've observed, it's not if an implanted woman will get sick, but when. . . > > Please come back in 27 years and tell us what you observe. You never know, by then, they really may have a safe breast implant . . . so far they are all disasters!> > After 40 years, they still haven't conducted a decent study. We've been begging them to study us, the women who've lived in this world for years. But they won't! . . . Some studies included women who had their implants for as little as two months! . . . Seldom over five years!> > I would NEVER suggest to a woman that she may survive breast

implants. Thinking that one is knowledgable and that implants are safe is self-delusional.> > At my first support meeting, I met several young mothers that realized, for the first time, that the strange illnesses their children suffered were shared by the children of other implanted women. In your wildest dreams, you can't imagine the shock, horror and guilt those young mothers expressed! > > We have women in this group whose children are paying the price for the breast implants their mothers had . . Ask any of them if they think breast implants are worth the risk. Still, there hasn't been a decent study on the effects of breast implants on children! In fact, the medical community continues to make statements to the contrary (but with growing uncertainty!)> > If you think this group is being unrealistic or unfair to other groups who condone these toxic bags, that's your right. > >

BTW, one of the most insidious effects of breast implants is what it does to a woman's mind! In some cases, that is crueler than what it does to the body.> > Rogene>

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Stacey, first of all, take the messages you sent me, and see how chilled out you would be. Easier to say. I don’t have to tell you how I am - I don’t have to prove anything. I don’t have to tell "so" You are coming in a lot later, not knowing what things went down. Or maybe you do. Sorry if I am coming off as the most full of myself person, you can ask the girls, they know me. Your posts make me skeptical, and I cant let me guard down, can you understand that, after what has been said by you?

and Marie didn’t leave because of me, PLEASE it was because of and Patty's personal issues. That is between them. I never acted like I didn’t like them, never -but I didn’t- as well as most girls here, like the argumentative stance that was often taken. It confused the girls, stopped healing ,set us off track and got fights going, where they shouldn’t be.

But plain and simple-It was pure strife at times. I understand and Marie would eventually need to start their own site, as their views are very different ,and the way they come off is different too. That’s fine I think will be great as a up lifter and on her own site! She has great tips. A strong gal. I am sure she will do good.

didn’t start this site, Patty did. Patty was the only leader here, and still is. That fact needs to be set straight. was one of the girls on here in the beginning and like me, has stuck it out helping and sharing with new girls. I don’t agree that every time, someone new comes here, they should be taken and lured to another site. Its sneaky, say what you will. Old friends are one thing, scoping out new girls, and sending a message to them immediately is another. We don’t do that here .We don’t have to .They come to this site. They will learn about the others. Why do that?

I am not going to keep going back and forth you. I am hurt by your previous messages and don’t trust your intentions by your actions. You feel pretty strong about and me for not knowing us. Someone either filled you in with foolishness (because that is what it is) or you are not what you say you are. Sorry. I will stand by that " know it all, matter of fact" mean, horrible belief of mine. If I'm wrong about that, I am sorry. On to the real issues at hand here now. ---- Original Message ----

From: DelGato

Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: from

,

Chill out. I admit I should not have jumped down your throat the way I did but this implant subject can be a hot topic. I could have phased my comments to you better than I did. You seemed to come off as a know it all, if that isn't true, say so.I don't know what all went down with you and my friends from breast implant facts but they didn't tell me they hated you, what I did know from them is they felt rejected and like oddballs and not liked by you and a couple of other ones here. Your name did come up but it wasn't hateful. What you are saying that they don't like you they told me the same thing about you that you didn't like them and that's why they left and started a new group. That is all I know.I know was a moderator here too.I have to say this too. has a right to send out invitations to all groups she likes. People join if the want to. No gun was put to my head. I like the group. It is friendly and nothing is wrong with that. told me she put allot of work into saline support she helped to build it when she left she had a right to invite her friends to her new group. I don't think it is my business or yours to tell her who she can or can't invite to her group.Do you see what I mean?

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

ASk her to stay? After she talked to me several times they way she did? Calling me mean, and ignorant and full of myself, and telling me I better not give out thyroid advise or I could get into trouble? When I merely helped to locate a doc for someone? Also that she was going to make a complaint on me? For what? Have you read my posts ? She is from the other two girls that starting up a lot of trouble here for years. Both both Marie and did not like me, So this makes perfect sense I Am being attacked. Why? I don’t know. Because I get into natural medicine and have gotten better and went to Dr Kolb and have advise? And didn’t want Feng for my situation ? If Patty was home, I don’t think that mean message from Stacey would have gotten on board. It was very upsetting. Im still upset She shouldn’t be here. it is not for the good of any group what she is doing and up to .

Re: Re: Sisters...Experiencing health problems> > ,> > I've lived in the "implant world" for over 27 years . . . Some of the other ladies here have lived been here longer. . . From what I've observed, it's not if an implanted woman will get sick, but when. . . > > Please come back in 27 years and tell us what you observe. You never know, by then, they really may have a safe breast implant . . . so far they are all disasters!> > After 40 years, they still haven't conducted a decent study. We've been begging them to study us, the women who've lived in this world for years. But they won't! . . Some studies included women who had their implants for as little as two months! . . . Seldom over five years!> > I would NEVER suggest to a woman that she may survive breast implants. Thinking that one is knowledgable and that implants are safe is self-delusional.> > At my first support meeting, I met several young mothers that realized, for the first time, that the strange illnesses their children suffered were shared by the children of other implanted women. In your wildest dreams, you can't imagine the shock, horror and guilt those young mothers expressed! > > We have women in this group whose children are paying the price for the breast implants their mothers had . . Ask any of them if they think breast implants are worth the risk. Still, there hasn't been a decent study on the effects of breast implants on children! In fact, the medical community continues to make statements to the contrary (but with growing uncertainty!)> > If you think this group is being unrealistic or unfair to other groups who condone these toxic bags, that's your right. > > BTW, one of the most insidious effects of breast implants is what it does to a woman's mind! In some cases, that is crueler than what it does to the body.> > Rogene>

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, if you are not sick with implants, get the hell of this web site and stop causing trouble with the ones on here. What other reason are you here? Neenie

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Stacey, first of all, take the messages you sent me, and see how chilled out you would be. Easier to say. I don’t have to tell you how I am - I don’t have to prove anything. I don’t have to tell "so" You are coming in a lot later, not knowing what things went down. Or maybe you do. Sorry if I am coming off as the most full of myself person, you can ask the girls, they know me. Your posts make me skeptical, and I cant let me guard down, can you understand that, after what has been said by you?

and Marie didn’t leave because of me, PLEASE it was because of and Patty's personal issues. That is between them. I never acted like I didn’t like them, never -but I didn’t- as well as most girls here, like the argumentative stance that was often taken. It confused the girls, stopped healing ,set us off track and got fights going, where they shouldn’t be.

But plain and simple-It was pure strife at times. I understand and Marie would eventually need to start their own site, as their views are very different ,and the way they come off is different too. That’s fine I think will be great as a up lifter and on her own site! She has great tips. A strong gal. I am sure she will do good.

didn’t start this site, Patty did. Patty was the only leader here, and still is. That fact needs to be set straight. was one of the girls on here in the beginning and like me, has stuck it out helping and sharing with new girls. I don’t agree that every time, someone new comes here, they should be taken and lured to another site. Its sneaky, say what you will. Old friends are one thing, scoping out new girls, and sending a message to them immediately is another. We don’t do that here .We don’t have to .They come to this site. They will learn about the others. Why do that?

I am not going to keep going back and forth you. I am hurt by your previous messages and don’t trust your intentions by your actions. You feel pretty strong about and me for not knowing us. Someone either filled you in with foolishness (because that is what it is) or you are not what you say you are. Sorry. I will stand by that " know it all, matter of fact" mean, horrible belief of mine. If I'm wrong about that, I am sorry. On to the real issues at hand here now. ---- Original Message ----

From: DelGato

Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: from

,

Chill out. I admit I should not have jumped down your throat the way I did but this implant subject can be a hot topic. I could have phased my comments to you better than I did. You seemed to come off as a know it all, if that isn't true, say so.I don't know what all went down with you and my friends from breast implant facts but they didn't tell me they hated you, what I did know from them is they felt rejected and like oddballs and not liked by you and a couple of other ones here. Your name did come up but it wasn't hateful. What you are saying that they don't like you they told me the same thing about you that you didn't like them and that's why they left and started a new group. That is all I know.I know was a moderator here too.I have to say this too. has a right to send out invitations to all groups she likes. People join if the want to. No gun was put to my head. I like the group. It is friendly and nothing is wrong with that. told me she put

allot of work into saline support she helped to build it when she left she had a right to invite her friends to her new group. I don't think it is my business or yours to tell her who she can or can't invite to her group.Do you see what I mean?

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

ASk her to stay? After she talked to me several times they way she did? Calling me mean, and ignorant and full of myself, and telling me I better not give out thyroid advise or I could get into trouble? When I merely helped to locate a doc for someone? Also that she was going to make a complaint on me? For what? Have you read my posts ? She is from the other two girls that starting up a lot of trouble here for years. Both both Marie and did not like me, So this makes perfect sense I Am being attacked. Why? I don’t know. Because I get into natural medicine and have gotten better and went to Dr Kolb and have advise? And didn’t want Feng for my situation ? If Patty was home, I don’t think that mean message from Stacey would have gotten on board. It was very upsetting. Im still upset She shouldn’t be here. it is not for the good of any group what she is doing and up to .

Re: Re: Sisters...Experiencing health problems> > ,> > I've lived in the "implant world" for over 27 years . . . Some of the other ladies here have lived been here longer. . . From what I've observed, it's not if an implanted woman will get sick, but when. . . > > Please come back in 27 years and tell us what you observe. You never know, by then, they really may have a safe breast implant . . . so far they are all disasters!> > After 40 years, they still haven't conducted a decent study. We've been begging them to study us, the women who've lived in this world for years. But they won't! . . Some studies included women who had their implants for as little as two months! . . . Seldom over five years!> > I would NEVER suggest to a woman that she may survive breast

implants. Thinking that one is knowledgable and that implants are safe is self-delusional.> > At my first support meeting, I met several young mothers that realized, for the first time, that the strange illnesses their children suffered were shared by the children of other implanted women. In your wildest dreams, you can't imagine the shock, horror and guilt those young mothers expressed! > > We have women in this group whose children are paying the price for the breast implants their mothers had . . Ask any of them if they think breast implants are worth the risk. Still, there hasn't been a decent study on the effects of breast implants on children! In fact, the medical community continues to make statements to the contrary (but with growing uncertainty!)> > If you think this group is being unrealistic or unfair to other groups who condone these toxic bags, that's your right. > >

BTW, one of the most insidious effects of breast implants is what it does to a woman's mind! In some cases, that is crueler than what it does to the body.> > Rogene>

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, leave this website! The sick women on here, don't feel up to hearing your garbage. DelGato <stacydel34@...> wrote:

,

Chill out. I admit I should not have jumped down your throat the way I did but this implant subject can be a hot topic. I could have phased my comments to you better than I did. You seemed to come off as a know it all, if that isn't true, say so.I don't know what all went down with you and my friends from breast implant facts but they didn't tell me they hated you, what I did know from them is they felt rejected and like oddballs and not liked by you and a couple of other ones here. Your name did come up but it wasn't hateful. What you are saying that they don't like you they told me the same thing about you that you didn't like them and that's why they left and started a new group. That is all I know.I know was a moderator here too.I have to say this too. has a right to send out invitations to all groups she likes. People join if the want to. No gun was put to my head. I like the group. It is friendly and nothing is wrong with that. told me she put

allot of work into saline support she helped to build it when she left she had a right to invite her friends to her new group. I don't think it is my business or yours to tell her who she can or can't invite to her group.Do you see what I mean?

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

ASk her to stay? After she talked to me several times they way she did? Calling me mean, and ignorant and full of myself, and telling me I better not give out thyroid advise or I could get into trouble? When I merely helped to locate a doc for someone? Also that she was going to make a complaint on me? For what? Have you read my posts ? She is from the other two girls that starting up a lot of trouble here for years. Both both Marie and did not like me, So this makes perfect sense I Am being attacked. Why? I don’t know. Because I get into natural medicine and have gotten better and went to Dr Kolb and have advise? And didn’t want Feng for my situation ? If Patty was home, I don’t think that mean message from Stacey would have gotten on board. It was very upsetting. Im still upset She shouldn’t be here. it is not for the good of any group what she is doing and up to .

Re: Re: Sisters...Experiencing health problems> > ,> > I've lived in the "implant world" for over 27 years . . . Some of the other ladies here have lived been here longer. . . From what I've observed, it's not if an implanted woman will get sick, but when. . . > > Please come back in 27 years and tell us what you observe. You never know, by then, they really may have a safe breast implant . . . so far they are all disasters!> > After 40 years, they still haven't conducted a decent study. We've been begging them to study us, the women who've lived in this world for years. But they won't! . . . Some studies included women who had their implants for as little as two months! . . . Seldom over five years!> > I would NEVER suggest to a woman that she may survive breast

implants. Thinking that one is knowledgable and that implants are safe is self-delusional.> > At my first support meeting, I met several young mothers that realized, for the first time, that the strange illnesses their children suffered were shared by the children of other implanted women. In your wildest dreams, you can't imagine the shock, horror and guilt those young mothers expressed! > > We have women in this group whose children are paying the price for the breast implants their mothers had . . Ask any of them if they think breast implants are worth the risk. Still, there hasn't been a decent study on the effects of breast implants on children! In fact, the medical community continues to make statements to the contrary (but with growing uncertainty!)> > If you think this group is being unrealistic or unfair to other groups who condone these toxic bags, that's your right. > >

BTW, one of the most insidious effects of breast implants is what it does to a woman's mind! In some cases, that is crueler than what it does to the body.> > Rogene>

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That's not very nice.Try to be more civil please there are women here looking for answers.Elainejeanine buchanan <neenie502002@...> wrote:

, leave this website! The sick women on here, don't feel up to hearing your garbage. DelGato <stacydel34@...> wrote:

,

Chill out. I admit I should not have jumped down your throat the way I did but this implant subject can be a hot topic. I could have phased my comments to you better than I did. You seemed to come off as a know it all, if that isn't true, say so.I don't know what all went down with you and my friends from breast implant facts but they didn't tell me they hated you, what I did know from them is they felt rejected and like oddballs and not liked by you and a couple of other ones here. Your name did come up but it wasn't hateful. What you are saying that they don't like you they told me the same thing about you that you didn't like them and that's why they left and started a new group. That is all I know.I know was a moderator here too.I have to say this too. has a right to send out invitations to all groups she likes. People join if the want to. No gun was put to my head. I like the group. It is friendly and nothing is wrong with that. told me she put

allot of work into saline support she helped to build it when she left she had a right to invite her friends to her new group. I don't think it is my business or yours to tell her who she can or can't invite to her group.Do you see what I mean?

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

ASk her to stay? After she talked to me several times they way she did? Calling me mean, and ignorant and full of myself, and telling me I better not give out thyroid advise or I could get into trouble? When I merely helped to locate a doc for someone? Also that she was going to make a complaint on me? For what? Have you read my posts ? She is from the other two girls that starting up a lot of trouble here for years. Both both Marie and did not like me, So this makes perfect sense I Am being attacked. Why? I don’t know. Because I get into natural medicine and have gotten better and went to Dr Kolb and have advise? And didn’t want Feng for my situation ? If Patty was home, I don’t think that mean message from Stacey would have gotten on board. It was very upsetting. Im still upset She shouldn’t be here. it is not for the good of any group what she is doing and up to .

Re: Re: Sisters...Experiencing health problems> > ,> > I've lived in the "implant world" for over 27 years . . . Some of the other ladies here have lived been here longer. . . From what I've observed, it's not if an implanted woman will get sick, but when. . . > > Please come back in 27 years and tell us what you observe. You never know, by then, they really may have a safe breast implant . . . so far they are all disasters!> > After 40 years, they still haven't conducted a decent study. We've been begging them to study us, the women who've lived in this world for years. But they won't! . . . Some studies included women who had their implants for as little as two months! . . . Seldom over five years!> > I would NEVER suggest to a woman that she may survive breast

implants. Thinking that one is knowledgable and that implants are safe is self-delusional.> > At my first support meeting, I met several young mothers that realized, for the first time, that the strange illnesses their children suffered were shared by the children of other implanted women. In your wildest dreams, you can't imagine the shock, horror and guilt those young mothers expressed! > > We have women in this group whose children are paying the price for the breast implants their mothers had . . Ask any of them if they think breast implants are worth the risk. Still, there hasn't been a decent study on the effects of breast implants on children! In fact, the medical community continues to make statements to the contrary (but with growing uncertainty!)> > If you think this group is being unrealistic or unfair to other groups who condone these toxic bags, that's your right. > >

BTW, one of the most insidious effects of breast implants is what it does to a woman's mind! In some cases, that is crueler than what it does to the body.> > Rogene>

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Pa, It is so good to see that you are typing your own posts and doing so good..I can't believe it !!!!! Now I can't wait to get mine over with..It's nice to actually have someone go through it at the same hospital and same Dr. and see all the results.. I am so interested in seeing how your doing and the progress you are making..I have been waiting for all the updates on you..I guess it's because I feel like I'm next in line with Dr.Rand. I had such a bad week with pain that I am ready..And I LOVE the idea that they give you a computer to use..That helps keeping in touch with the world..LOL So are you eating the good food now..Your like me give me food, not the liquids once your feeling a little better.. So in general how are they treating you there? you give me so much hope now, it was great to see after a week how well your doing..Keep up the good work and let me know every detail..LOL Great hearing form you...Vonniecammaltby

<cammaltby@...> wrote: --HELLO!!! I wanted to shoot you all of a quick post while I hadbeen provided with a laptop from NEBH...ain't that great PR....!!The PR lady who delivers my patient email, set up a TECH person tocome on the rehab floor and wire me up a hospital laptop!! I hadexpressed how it was so great to get emails from folks everyday butfelt a bit sad ..boohoo..poor me...that I was unable torespond...not that I could have reponded the first four days..all Icould do is moan...bet Cam is glad I was not her roommate!!! I wassoooo very happy to talk to Cam and ! Everyone who has emailedme..you will never know how much I appreciated it..keep them coming ..Iwon't have the laptop for long..off to second stage...Surgery was as all had decribed..sucked big time...what

evensucks,stinks, more is I have to do it again!! I have not been ableto wrap my head around that one yet!!Pause...Rand was just in here....I showed him the web site....don'tworry did not let him see the posts;....just proved that it isREAL!! He laughed....he said he has never been on it..I said wewould know if he had..he must register!!!I was even lucky enough toget a personal visit from the Pres. of NEBH today, he is from PA,near PennState and heard from the PR lady that someone famous fromPA was here....kidding,,,yes, he is from PA and he did come seeme....wondered how I ended up here.....? TOld him about Cam and thesite and he said they refer to us as "alpha" patinets...folks whoresearch on the internet etc....smart buc=nch we are....told him Icame for Rand not really the hospital but it was a niceextra....doctor first, hospital second.....at least in my smallmind...enough of my babble for

now...

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~ Do you think that because I have been under so much stress these past 3 years in my marriage, that this could have caused my chemical sensitivities not the implants? It gets so confusing! Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: Each time your body is subjected to stress it can become more reactive. This stress can be emotional (such as a death in the family), physical (such as an illness) or tramatic (such as a car accident or surgery). I would assume that

with each surgery you became more and more reactive to the silicone either the gel or the shell form. Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote: Rogene~` Even though I've had them replaced twice, you would think I would not be symptomatic. Maybe going from saline to silicone to saline caused a train reaction. It's confusing for me. Since the symptoms did not begin until I put the silicone in just 3 years ago to replace with saline two years ago. Can you make sense of this? Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: . . .

Saline implants (especially textured implants) begin to deteroriate the moment they're put in ones body . . . These micrscopic bits of silicone float around in our body until they find a resting place . . . Maybe the liver? the brain? the kidney? the lungs? We don't know because they've refused to study the women who have gotten ill. It's lots easier to make the women out to be mental cases, than to take the time to understand the problems. The women who I really, really worry about are those whose children are terribly ill as a result of being born and/or nursed after breast implants. . . One can get very down about being sick . .. But when one sees their own children suffering because of a decision the child has no choice in, it's devastating! One mother contemplated taking her children's lives, then ending her own. She's still with us - but her children's problems continue to grow.

Talk about a living Hell! Hugs and prayers, Rogene . Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

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, We are a complex organism, so pinpointing what stresses are your cause is hard. In your case, which is first the chicken or the egg? Your surgeries could effect your health, then your health could effect your marriage stress, then your stress could cause poor eating habits which cause poor health, or this could be a never ending circle of events. Any stress to your body can increase your chances to develope a variety of health concerns. Look at how the medical community cannot deny thay people with higher stress levels have a greater chance at developing gastric ulcers. Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote: ~ Do you think that because I have been under so much stress these past 3 years in my marriage, that this could have caused my chemical sensitivities not the implants? It gets so confusing! Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: Each time your body is subjected to stress it can become more reactive. This stress can be emotional (such as a death in the family), physical (such as an illness) or tramatic (such as a car accident or surgery). I would assume that with each surgery you became more and more reactive to the silicone either the

gel or the shell form. Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote: Rogene~` Even though I've had them replaced twice, you would think I would not be symptomatic. Maybe going from saline to silicone to saline caused a train reaction. It's confusing for me. Since the symptoms did not begin until I put the silicone in just 3 years ago to replace with saline two years ago. Can you make sense of this? Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: . . . Saline implants (especially textured implants) begin

to deteroriate the moment they're put in ones body . . . These micrscopic bits of silicone float around in our body until they find a resting place . . . Maybe the liver? the brain? the kidney? the lungs? We don't know because they've refused to study the women who have gotten ill. It's lots easier to make the women out to be mental cases, than to take the time to understand the problems. The women who I really, really worry about are those whose children are terribly ill as a result of being born and/or nursed after breast implants. . . One can get very down about being sick . .. But when one sees their own children suffering because of a decision the child has no choice in, it's devastating! One mother contemplated taking her children's lives, then ending her own. She's still with us - but her children's problems continue to grow. Talk about a living Hell! Hugs and

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Is it possible the stress could have lowered my immune system to become reactive to the implants? Sorry for the questions, but you seem knowledgable. I know I just need to listen to my heart and do the process of elimination. Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: , We are a complex organism, so pinpointing what stresses are your cause is hard. In your case, which is first the chicken or the egg? Your surgeries could effect

your health, then your health could effect your marriage stress, then your stress could cause poor eating habits which cause poor health, or this could be a never ending circle of events. Any stress to your body can increase your chances to develope a variety of health concerns. Look at how the medical community cannot deny thay people with higher stress levels have a greater chance at developing gastric ulcers. Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote: ~ Do you think that because I have been under so much stress these past 3 years in my marriage, that this could have caused my chemical sensitivities not the implants? It gets so confusing! Lamse

<wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: Each time your body is subjected to stress it can become more reactive. This stress can be emotional (such as a death in the family), physical (such as an illness) or tramatic (such as a car accident or surgery). I would assume that with each surgery you became more and more reactive to the silicone either the gel or the shell form. Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote: Rogene~` Even though I've had them replaced twice, you would think I would not be symptomatic. Maybe going from saline to silicone to saline caused a train reaction.

It's confusing for me. Since the symptoms did not begin until I put the silicone in just 3 years ago to replace with saline two years ago. Can you make sense of this? Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: . . . Saline implants (especially textured implants) begin to deteroriate the moment they're put in ones body . . . These micrscopic bits of silicone float around in our body until they find a resting place . . . Maybe the liver? the brain? the kidney? the lungs? We don't know because they've refused to study the women who have gotten ill. It's lots easier to make the women out to be mental cases, than to take the time to understand the problems. The women who I really, really worry about are those

whose children are terribly ill as a result of being born and/or nursed after breast implants. . . One can get very down about being sick . .. But when one sees their own children suffering because of a decision the child has no choice in, it's devastating! One mother contemplated taking her children's lives, then ending her own. She's still with us - but her children's problems continue to grow. Talk about a living Hell! Hugs and prayers, Rogene . Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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,

Yes, stress can lower your immune system. Making it harder for your body to fight off the toxins coming from the implants.

Penni

Re: Re: from

Is it possible the stress could have lowered my immune system to become reactive to the implants? Sorry for the questions, but you seem knowledgable. I know I just need to listen to my heart and do the process of elimination.

Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote:

,

We are a complex organism, so pinpointing what stresses are your cause is hard. In your case, which is first the chicken or the egg? Your surgeries could effect your health, then your health could effect your marriage stress, then your stress could cause poor eating habits which cause poor health, or this could be a never ending circle of events. Any stress to your body can increase your chances to develope a variety of health concerns. Look at how the medical community cannot deny thay people with higher stress levels have a greater chance at developing gastric ulcers.

Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote:

~

Do you think that because I have been under so much stress these past 3 years in my marriage, that this could have caused my chemical sensitivities not the implants? It gets so confusing! Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote:

Each time your body is subjected to stress it can become more reactive. This stress can be emotional (such as a death in the family), physical (such as an illness) or tramatic (such as a car accident or surgery). I would assume that with each surgery you became more and more reactive to the silicone either the gel or the shell form.

Platte <deniseplatte@...> wrote:

Rogene~`

Even though I've had them replaced twice, you would think I would not be symptomatic. Maybe going from saline to silicone to saline caused a train reaction. It's confusing for me. Since the symptoms did not begin until I put the silicone in just 3 years ago to replace with saline two years ago. Can you make sense of this?

Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

. . .

Saline implants (especially textured implants) begin to deteroriate the moment they're put in ones body . . . These micrscopic bits of silicone float around in our body until they find a resting place . . . Maybe the liver? the brain? the kidney? the lungs? We don't know because they've refused to study the women who have gotten ill. It's lots easier to make the women out to be mental cases, than to take the time to understand the problems.

The women who I really, really worry about are those whose children are terribly ill as a result of being born and/or nursed after breast implants. . . One can get very down about being sick . .. But when one sees their own children suffering because of a decision the child has no choice in, it's devastating!

One mother contemplated taking her children's lives, then ending her own. She's still with us - but her children's problems continue to grow. Talk about a living Hell!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

..

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, It's highly likely stress played a role in your getting sick . . . And, it will play a role in keeping you sick unless you learn how to manage it. However, trying to prove how dangerous stress is is just as tricky as trying to prove how dangerous breast implants are . . . There are so many factors at work that it's impossible to put the blame on any one thing. The important thing is (always) not stewing about what has happened (spilled milk). The important thing is figuring out where to go from here. How do you get better? How do you turn your experience into a positive. I can't begin to tell you how many of our women have come to the conclusion that, regardless of how sick they were, that the experience has made better people of them and that they plan to embrace their lessons learned for a brighter future. Hugs, Rogene

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Forwarded message:

" Sicko " Is Completed and We're Off to Cannes!

May 17, 2007

Friends,

It's a wrap! My new film, " Sicko, " is all done and will have its world

premiere this Saturday night at the Cannes Film Festival. As with " Bowling

for Columbine " and " Fahrenheit 9/11, " we are honored to have been chosen by

this prestigious festival to screen our work there.

My intention was to keep " Sicko " under wraps and show it to virtually no one

before its premiere in Cannes. That is what I have done and, as you may have

noticed if you are a recipient of my infrequent Internet letters, I have

been very silent about what I've been up to. In part, that's because I was

working very hard to complete the film. But my silence was also because I

knew that the health care industry -- an industry which makes up more than

15 percent of our GDP -- was not going to like much of what they were going

to see in this movie and I thought it best not to upset them any sooner than

need be.

Well, going quietly to Cannes, I guess, was not to be. For some strange

reason, on May 2nd the Bush administration initiated an action against me

over how I obtained some of the content they believe is in my film. As none

of them have actually seen the film (or so I hope!), they decided, unlike

with " Fahrenheit 9/11, " not to wait until the film was out of the gate and

too far down the road to begin their attack.

Bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry son, launched an investigation of a

trip I took to Cuba to film scenes for the movie. These scenes involve a

group of 9/11 rescue workers who are suffering from illnesses obtained from

working down at Ground Zero. They have received little or no help with their

health care from the government. I do not want to give away what actually

happens in the movie because I don't want to spoil it for you (although I'm

sure you'll hear much about it after it unspools Saturday). Plus, our

lawyers have advised me to say little at this point, as the film goes

somewhere far scarier than " Cuba. " Rest assured of one thing: no laws were

broken. All I've done is violate the modern-day rule of journalism that

says, " ask no questions of those in power or your luncheon privileges will

be revoked. "

This preemptive action taken by the Bush administration on the eve of the

" Sicko " premiere in Cannes led our attorneys to fear for the safety of our

film, noting that Secretary son may try to claim that the content of the

movie was obtained through a violation of the trade embargo that our country

has against Cuba and the travel laws that prohibit average citizens of our

free country from traveling to Cuba. (The law does not prohibit anyone from

exercising their first amendment right of a free press and documentaries are

protected works of journalism.)

I was floored when our lawyers told me this. " Are you saying they might

actually confiscate our movie? " " Yes, " was the answer. " These days, anything

is possible. Even if there is just a 20 percent chance the government would

seize our movie before Cannes, does anyone want to take that risk? "

Certainly not. So there we were last week, spiriting a duplicate master

negative out of the country just so no one from the government would take it

from us. (Seriously, I can't believe I just typed those words! Did I mention

that I'm an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever have to say

they had to do such a thing?)

I mean, folks, I have just about had it. Investigating ME because I'm trying

to help some 9/11 rescue workers our government has abandoned? Once again,

up is down and black is white. There are only two people in need of an

investigation and a trial, and the desire for this across America is so

widespread you don't even need to see the one's smirk or hear the other's

sneer to know who I am talking about.

But no, I'm the one who now has to hire lawyers and sneak my documentary out

of the country just so people can see a friggin' movie. I mean, it's just a

movie! What on earth could I have placed on celluloid that would require

such a nonsensical action against me?

Ok. Scratch that.

Well, I'm on my way to Cannes right now, a copy of the movie in my bag.

Don't feel too bad for me, I'll be in the south of France for a week! But

then it's back to the U.S. for a number of premieres and benefits and then,

finally, a chance for all of you to see this film that I have made. Circle

June 29th on your calendar because that's when it opens in theaters

everywhere across the country and Canada (for the rest of the world, it

opens in the fall).

I can't wait for you to see it.

Yours,

P.S. I will write more about what happens from Cannes. Stay tuned on my

website, .com <http://www.michaelmoore.com/> .

[Guest guest]

I would like to see list members' comments on this film, but based on

your own experience or expertise. You can also comment on the film's

bias, or 's credibility. Don't send forwards. Keep it civil.

can really press buttons.

Leo

Moderatorl

---------------------------

>

> Forwarded message:

>

>

> " Sicko " Is Completed and We're Off to Cannes!

> May 17, 2007

> Friends,

> It's a wrap! My new film, " Sicko, " is all done and will have its world

> premiere this Saturday night at the Cannes Film Festival. As with

" Bowling

> for Columbine " and " Fahrenheit 9/11, " we are honored to have been

chosen by

> this prestigious festival to screen our work there.

> My intention was to keep " Sicko " under wraps and show it to

virtually no one

> before its premiere in Cannes. That is what I have done and, as you

may have

> noticed if you are a recipient of my infrequent Internet letters, I have

> been very silent about what I've been up to. In part, that's because

I was

> working very hard to complete the film. But my silence was also

because I

> knew that the health care industry -- an industry which makes up

more than

> 15 percent of our GDP -- was not going to like much of what they

were going

> to see in this movie and I thought it best not to upset them any

sooner than

> need be.

> Well, going quietly to Cannes, I guess, was not to be. For some strange

> reason, on May 2nd the Bush administration initiated an action

against me

> over how I obtained some of the content they believe is in my film.

As none

> of them have actually seen the film (or so I hope!), they decided,

unlike

> with " Fahrenheit 9/11, " not to wait until the film was out of the

gate and

> too far down the road to begin their attack.

> Bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry son, launched an investigation of a

> trip I took to Cuba to film scenes for the movie. These scenes involve a

> group of 9/11 rescue workers who are suffering from illnesses

obtained from

> working down at Ground Zero. They have received little or no help

with their

> health care from the government. I do not want to give away what

actually

> happens in the movie because I don't want to spoil it for you

(although I'm

> sure you'll hear much about it after it unspools Saturday). Plus, our

> lawyers have advised me to say little at this point, as the film goes

> somewhere far scarier than " Cuba. " Rest assured of one thing: no

laws were

> broken. All I've done is violate the modern-day rule of journalism that

> says, " ask no questions of those in power or your luncheon

privileges will

> be revoked. "

> This preemptive action taken by the Bush administration on the eve

of the

> " Sicko " premiere in Cannes led our attorneys to fear for the safety

of our

> film, noting that Secretary son may try to claim that the

content of the

> movie was obtained through a violation of the trade embargo that our

country

> has against Cuba and the travel laws that prohibit average citizens

of our

> free country from traveling to Cuba. (The law does not prohibit

anyone from

> exercising their first amendment right of a free press and

documentaries are

> protected works of journalism.)

> I was floored when our lawyers told me this. " Are you saying they might

> actually confiscate our movie? " " Yes, " was the answer. " These days,

anything

> is possible. Even if there is just a 20 percent chance the

government would

> seize our movie before Cannes, does anyone want to take that risk? "

> Certainly not. So there we were last week, spiriting a duplicate master

> negative out of the country just so no one from the government would

take it

> from us. (Seriously, I can't believe I just typed those words! Did I

mention

> that I'm an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever

have to say

> they had to do such a thing?)

>

> I mean, folks, I have just about had it. Investigating ME because

I'm trying

> to help some 9/11 rescue workers our government has abandoned? Once

again,

> up is down and black is white. There are only two people in need of an

> investigation and a trial, and the desire for this across America is so

> widespread you don't even need to see the one's smirk or hear the

other's

> sneer to know who I am talking about.

> But no, I'm the one who now has to hire lawyers and sneak my

documentary out

> of the country just so people can see a friggin' movie. I mean, it's

just a

> movie! What on earth could I have placed on celluloid that would require

> such a nonsensical action against me?

>

> Ok. Scratch that.

> Well, I'm on my way to Cannes right now, a copy of the movie in my bag.

> Don't feel too bad for me, I'll be in the south of France for a

week! But

> then it's back to the U.S. for a number of premieres and benefits

and then,

> finally, a chance for all of you to see this film that I have made.

Circle

> June 29th on your calendar because that's when it opens in theaters

> everywhere across the country and Canada (for the rest of the world, it

> opens in the fall).

> I can't wait for you to see it.

> Yours,

>

> P.S. I will write more about what happens from Cannes. Stay tuned on my

> website, .com <http://www.michaelmoore.com/> .

>

[Guest guest]

As an American, I think has the right to make any film

he wants, barring slander or exposing national secrets. And I, as an

American, have the right to say that I find funny at times, but

I find it hard to take him very seriously. I mean, interviewing an

Alzheimers-addled Chuck Heston for his Columbine movie -- what does

that accomplish?

Someone with real credibility needs to do a film on the

medical-industrial complex, but that person is not . I'm

a conservative politically, but I certainly see that market forces

alone do not lead to better health care. Or perhaps I should say that

the government interference in market forces does not help health and

medical knowledge to progress in the directions it should.

I actually want to see this movie though, as the subject interests me.

It is no surprise to me that people poisoned in 9/11 cleanup have

maladies that are undiagnosed and untreated by allopathic medicine.

Cuba is no paradise. But perhaps because of their poverty, they treat

less aggressively and are therefore closer to the Hippocratic dictum,

First, do no harm.