Guest guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 ORDCs,It's deja vu, all over again. We have some DCs in our midst who may make PIP a thing of the past. " PIP mills " routinely treat patients to the max, multiple modalities, 1 hour massages, adjusting spine and extremities at each visit from day 1 to day 60. With computerized chart notes that " document " medical necessity. It's creepy. The profession is just a sting and a press release with a perp walk away from kissing the ability to treat injured auto accident victims goodbye. C SimpsonSent from my iPadOn Jan 30, 2012, at 10:17 AM, " " < > wrote: Chiropractic Physicians of Oregon Messages In This Digest (5 Messages) 1. " Horrific Auto PIP BIll Indroducted in Florida! " From: vsaboe 2a. HB 119 From: AboWoman@... 2b. Re: HB 119 From: Sunny Kierstyn 2c. Re: HB 119 From: vsaboe 2d. Re: HB 119 From: Schneider View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. " Horrific Auto PIP BIll Indroducted in Florida! " Posted by: " vsaboe " vsaboe@... Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:15 pm (PST) [Attachment(s) from vsaboe included below] Dear colleagues, Attached is an outline of the horrible changes to the current auto PIP law in Florida that this horrific bill would institute. The reality is for all practical purposes we need only read the first bullet, last sentence which reads, " No treatment by DC or LMT allowed. (ll. 533-563! " Is Oregon next? Keep in mind that Florida only has a minimum $10,000 PIP whereas Oregon has increased theirs to $15,000. Will we continue business as usual? Will we sit back and wait and be reactionary as in 1989 and SB-1197 which trashed Workers Compensation for us? Or will we as a profession be proactive and preemptive? So what say you??? Vern Saboe DC, FACO ACA Delegate for Oregon 541-231-4528 Cell Attachment(s) from vsaboe 1 of 1 File(s) OCA Auto PIP Alert Horrific Florida Bill Introduced 2012.pdf Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2a. HB 119 Posted by: " AboWoman@... " AboWoman@... Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:29 pm (PST) Dear Senator, I am a chiropractic physican of 27 years experience in Portland, OR. I have served for the Governor's office for over 17 yrs in state regulation. 6 of those years as a licensing board member and 4 1/2 as president of the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. I served as the Oregon delegate to the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners (the US credentialing/ testing agency) and 6 years as the Oregon delegate to the Federation of Chiropractic Licensing Boards (International regulation agency). I was recently made aware of HB 119, a newly proposed, PIP insurance law that would limit consumers ability to access non-emergency and non-drug treatment for musculo-skeletal injurie following an auto accident. I've listed below, the reasons I believe this is an extremely flawed idea. Although I'm not a direct constituent, I would respectfully ask that you consider the points below and vote AGAINST this bill. thank you for considering my point of view. Minga Guerrero DC Hood View Chiropractic 270 NE 181st Ave Portland, OR 97230 HB 119 Does nothing to directly attack fraud In these days of high unemployment, will cause the loss of tens of thousands of jobs (in offices of non-hospital providers) Will lower the quality of health care provided to those injured in auto accidents Will result in less care for those with injuries, as all benefits will be absorbed in just one ER visit with high-dollar diagnostic costs Shifts care to the most expensive, most chaotic venue Will flood emergency rooms, meaning longer wait time for care for those who are critical and not critical Removes the number one choice of consumers for drugless, conservative care: chiropractic. Removes the least expensive drugless, non-surgical intervention: chiropractic. By removing the number one drugless intervention, will result in even more injured Floridians with dependencies on pain medication, feeding the pill mill problem. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2b. Re: HB 119 Posted by: " Sunny Kierstyn " skrndc1@... Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:55 pm (PST) Beautifully reasoned and written, Minga. Thanks for the template! Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C Eugene, Oregon, 97401 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834 www.drsunnykierstyn.com joseph.abruzzo@...; From: AboWoman@... Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:28:42 -0500 Subject: HB 119 Dear Senator, I am a chiropractic physican of 27 years experience in Portland, OR. I have served for the Governor's office for over 17 yrs in state regulation. 6 of those years as a licensing board member and 4 1/2 as president of the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. I served as the Oregon delegate to the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners (the US credentialing/ testing agency) and 6 years as the Oregon delegate to the Federation of Chiropractic Licensing Boards (International regulation agency). I was recently made aware of HB 119, a newly proposed, PIP insurance law that would limit consumers ability to access non-emergency and non-drug treatment for musculo-skeletal injurie following an auto accident. I've listed below, the reasons I believe this is an extremely flawed idea. Although I'm not a direct constituent, I would respectfully ask that you consider the points below and vote AGAINST this bill. thank you for considering my point of view. Minga Guerrero DC Hood View Chiropractic 270 NE 181st Ave Portland, OR 97230 HB 119 Does nothing to directly attack fraud In these days of high unemployment, will cause the loss of tens of thousands of jobs (in offices of non-hospital providers) Will lower the quality of health care provided to those injured in auto accidents Will result in less care for those with injuries, as all benefits will be absorbed in just one ER visit with high-dollar diagnostic costs Shifts care to the most expensive, most chaotic venue Will flood emergency rooms, meaning longer wait time for care for those who are critical and not critical Removes the number one choice of consumers for drugless, conservative care: chiropractic. Removes the least expensive drugless, non-surgical intervention: chiropractic. By removing the number one drugless intervention, will result in even more injured Floridians with dependencies on pain medication, feeding the pill mill problem. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2c. Re: HB 119 Posted by: " vsaboe " vsaboe@... Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:36 pm (PST) You go girl.excellent Minga.excellent..may I post this to the ACA listserve may help as per a template for Florida DCs? Vern Saboe From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of AboWoman@... Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:29 PM joseph.abruzzo@...; Subject: HB 119 Dear Senator, I am a chiropractic physican of 27 years experience in Portland, OR. I have served for the Governor's office for over 17 yrs in state regulation. 6 of those years as a licensing board member and 4 1/2 as president of the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. I served as the Oregon delegate to the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners (the US credentialing/ testing agency) and 6 years as the Oregon delegate to the Federation of Chiropractic Licensing Boards (International regulation agency). I was recently made aware of HB 119, a newly proposed, PIP insurance law that would limit consumers ability to access non-emergency and non-drug treatment for musculo-skeletal injurie following an auto accident. I've listed below, the reasons I believe this is an extremely flawed idea. Although I'm not a direct constituent, I would respectfully ask that you consider the points below and vote AGAINST this bill. thank you for considering my point of view. Minga Guerrero DC Hood View Chiropractic 270 NE 181st Ave Portland, OR 97230 HB 119 * Does nothing to directly attack fraud * In these days of high unemployment, will cause the loss of tens of thousands of jobs (in offices of non-hospital providers) * Will lower the quality of health care provided to those injured in auto accidents * Will result in less care for those with injuries, as all benefits will be absorbed in just one ER visit with high-dollar diagnostic costs * Shifts care to the most expensive, most chaotic venue * Will flood emergency rooms, meaning longer wait time for care for those who are critical and not critical * Removes the number one choice of consumers for drugless, conservative care: chiropractic. * Removes the least expensive drugless, non-surgical intervention: chiropractic. * By removing the number one drugless intervention, will result in even more injured Floridians with dependencies on pain medication, feeding the pill mill problem. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 2d. Re: HB 119 Posted by: " Schneider " portlandchiro1@... wildwill492003 Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:08 pm (PST) I echo Sunny's thoughts. A masterpiece of reasoning and truth!! Thanks for your efforts to support our good profession. Schneider DC PDX On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, <AboWoman@...> wrote: > ** > > > Dear Senator, > I am a chiropractic physican of 27 years experience in Portland, OR. I > have served for the Governor's office for over 17 yrs in state regulation. > 6 of those years as a licensing board member and 4 1/2 as president of the > Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. I served as the Oregon delegate to > the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners (the US credentialing/ testing > agency) and 6 years as the Oregon delegate to the Federation of > Chiropractic Licensing Boards (International regulation agency). I was > recently made aware of HB 119, a newly proposed, PIP insurance law that > would limit consumers ability to access non-emergency and non-drug > treatment for musculo-skeletal injurie following an auto accident. I've > listed below, the reasons I believe this is an extremely flawed > idea. Although I'm not a direct constituent, I would respectfully ask that > you consider the points below and vote AGAINST this bill. > thank you for considering my point of view. > Minga Guerrero DC > Hood View Chiropractic > 270 NE 181st Ave > Portland, OR 97230 > > *HB 119* > > > - Does nothing to directly attack fraud > - In these days of high unemployment, will cause the loss of tens of > thousands of jobs (in offices of non-hospital providers) > - Will lower the quality of health care provided to those injured in > auto accidents > - Will result in less care for those with injuries, as all benefits > will be absorbed in just one ER visit with high-dollar diagnostic costs > - Shifts care to the most expensive, most chaotic venue > - Will flood emergency rooms, meaning longer wait time for care for > those who are critical and not critical > - Removes the number one choice of consumers for drugless, > conservative care: chiropractic. > - Removes the least expensive drugless, non-surgical intervention: > chiropractic. > - By removing the number one drugless intervention, will result in > even more injured Floridians with dependencies on pain medication, feeding > the pill mill problem. > > > > Minga Guerrero DC > abowoman@... > > > -- Schneider DC PDX Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. 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