Acupuncture statement to OHA 1-10-12

[Guest guest]

Check out the last full paragraph – page 4 – It leaves

DCs out of the ‘clinics’ :

http://www.oregon.gov/OHA/OHPB/meetings/2012/2012-0110-acupuncture.pdf

s. fuchs dc

[Guest guest]

Dear colleagues, First to be clear these were the two women who testified with me at my asking and these documents from the acupuncturists and from the naturopaths are simply stating what they want of course this is not the Oregon Health Authority or the Oregon Health Policy Board making these comments. We had the same united consistent them of adding non-discrimination language into the Transformation bill applied to the Coordinated Care Organizations. I’m the one that coordinated (no pun intended) our coming together to testify and we did well the Board was very attentive. The only bump in the road was the naturopathic representative (lay lobbyist don’t ya know) who is not a doctor saying how they didn’t consider themselves to be “CAM” providers but primary care physicians which was a glitch but more for them than for us and the acupuncturist who had to somewhat counter….we are going to amend our testimony and are not going to use the term CAM but refer to all our coalition members and “integrative services.” Point being these documents are simply coming from these to stateholders as per their notions of how they would like things to go down but are key message of non-discrimination was unified. In fact the hand out on the “Summary of Public Comments” which you all did had various categories as per issues with our “CAM providers “ being the only bolded summary because as the summary states they received over 250 emails all wanting non-discrimination language in the transformation bill…the next closest category had 38 emails…you colleagues rocked it!! As per the comment on page 4 of E. Ocker acupuncturist who is a “peach” and did an excellent job….wherein she states….”…(with referrals out for chiropractic) she is simply doing what a great majority of the public equates us with “pounding down the high spots in people’s spines” or spinal adjustments/manipulation only I made it clear we can and do, do much more for those who wish to practice at the top of their licensure. The fact is she nor the public view us as primary care physicians…..and I remind you all we did this to ourselves…..not saying good bad whatever. With the non-discrimination language we can force the issue…..when the time comes. Alternatively I’m not sure we really do what to be in the “clinics” but rather in our own clinics we can do so and still be a part of the local CCOs “patient-centered primary care home,” ….as primary care physicians or as “Primary Care Providers of the Spine!!” In conclusion we have a solid and very beneficial coalition that the Oregon Chiropractic Association has initiated, who has built it, it didn’t come from anywhere else…..we currently have the acupuncturists, naturopaths, massage therapists, nurse practitioners, nurse anesthetists, and optometrists official on our coalition of Non-MD providers….the psychologists and audiologists are expected to come on board shortly…… Hope this helps….this is a good thing don’t read too much into these two group’s written testimony…… Cheers, Vern Saboe From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Acupuncture statement to OHA 1-10-12 Check out the last full paragraph – page 4 – It leaves DCs out of the ‘clinics’ : http://www.oregon.gov/OHA/OHPB/meetings/2012/2012-0110-acupuncture.pdf s. fuchs dc

[Guest guest]

VS, Thank you for that clarification.

I did enjoy the Acupuncture statement

which stated the very, very, very limited evidence based nature of their

practice. You see advertising right and left about all the conditions they can

treat BUT the evidence just doesn’t bear it out.

s.fuchs dc

From: vsaboe

[mailto:vsaboe@...]

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012

5:09 PM

Sharron Fuchs;

Cc: 'Dr Steve Deshaw'; '

'; 'Dr Dan Beeson'; 'Dr Mike '; 'Dr Ann Durrant'; 'Dr

Pitcarin'; 'sunny kiersten'; 'Dr Matt Freedman'; ' Grice'; ' M.

s, D.C.'; 'Charlie Caughlin'; ' Hacmac'; 'huma pierce'

Subject: RE:

Acupuncture statement to OHA 1-10-12

Dear colleagues,

First to be clear

these were the two women who testified with me at my asking and these documents

from the acupuncturists and from the naturopaths are simply stating what they

want of course this is not

the Oregon Health Authority or the Oregon Health Policy Board making these

comments. We had the same united consistent them of adding non-discrimination language

into the Transformation bill applied to the Coordinated Care Organizations.

I’m the one that coordinated (no pun intended) our coming together to

testify and we did well the Board was very attentive. The only bump in

the road was the naturopathic representative (lay lobbyist don’t ya know)

who is not a doctor saying how they didn’t consider themselves to be

“CAM” providers but primary care physicians which was a glitch but

more for them than for us and the acupuncturist who had to somewhat

counter….we are going to amend our testimony and are not going to use the

term CAM but refer to all our coalition members and “integrative services.”

Point being these

documents are simply coming from these to stateholders as per their notions of

how they would like things to go down but are key message of non-discrimination

was unified. In fact the hand out on the “Summary of Public

Comments” which you all did had various categories as per issues with our

“CAM providers “ being the only bolded

summary because as the summary states they received over 250 emails

all wanting non-discrimination language in the transformation bill…the

next closest category had 38 emails…you colleagues rocked it!!

As per the comment

on page 4 of E. Ocker acupuncturist who is a “peach” and did

an excellent job….wherein she states….”…(with referrals

out for chiropractic) she is simply doing what a great majority of the public

equates us with “pounding down the high spots in people’s

spines” or spinal adjustments/manipulation only I made it clear we

can and do, do much more for those who wish to practice at the top of their

licensure. The fact is she nor the public view us as primary care

physicians…..and I remind you all we did this to ourselves…..not

saying good bad whatever. With the non-discrimination

language we can force the issue…..when the time comes.

Alternatively I’m not sure we really do what to be in the

“clinics” but rather in our own clinics we can do so and still be a

part of the local CCOs “patient-centered primary care home,”

….as primary care physicians or as “Primary Care Providers of the

Spine!!”

In conclusion we

have a solid and very beneficial coalition that the Oregon Chiropractic Association has

initiated, who has built it, it didn’t come from anywhere else…..we

currently have the acupuncturists, naturopaths, massage therapists, nurse

practitioners, nurse anesthetists, and optometrists official on our coalition

of Non-MD providers….the psychologists and audiologists are expected to

come on board shortly……

Hope this

helps….this is a good thing don’t read too much into these two

group’s written testimony……

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012

4:04 PM

Subject:

Acupuncture statement to OHA 1-10-12

Check out

the last full paragraph – page 4 – It leaves DCs out of the

‘clinics’ :

http://www.oregon.gov/OHA/OHPB/meetings/2012/2012-0110-acupuncture.pdf

s. fuchs dc