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Oh man, you just keep on going.

Produce the email Shan. The reason why you never will be able to produce the

email is because it doesn't exist.

Making a mockery of dementia and alzheimers isn't nice Shan. You're really not a

nice person, are you.

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> > You very obviously have no idea what you are talking about - or should I

say that Barrett does not know what he is talking about??? ........oh

did you know that he recently lost ANOTHER court case? In Texas this time; but

there was never any doubt that Barrett would lose...

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> > Dr. Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases

> > At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded that

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of course you won't find. pubmed is all about " medications " .

i'm sure it's backed by bigPharma gangsters.

there are plenty of testimonials, there is no need for testing, trials...

On 2 ביונ 2012, at 18:40, Longevity wrote:

> Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:09 pm (PDT)

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> I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed. But

> a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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That's quite possibly the most negligent thing anyone can say when it comes to

supplements, especially ones we have not consumed during the evolutionary

process.

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of course you won't find. pubmed is all about " medications " .

i'm sure it's backed by bigPharma gangsters.

there are plenty of testimonials, there is no need for testing, trials...

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> Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:09 pm (PDT)

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> I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed. But

> a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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you forgot to clarify " in your opinion "

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> > I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed. But

> > a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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No, I didn't.

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you forgot to clarify " in your opinion "

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> > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:09 pm (PDT)

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> >

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> > I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed. But

> > a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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Pubmed has a database of studies on non-medications that is larger than any

other resource on the net.

So your statement is complete nonsense.

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

of course you won't find. pubmed is all about " medications " .

i'm sure it's backed by bigPharma gangsters.

there are plenty of testimonials, there is no need for testing, trials...

On 2 ביונ 2012, at 18:40, Longevity wrote:

> Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:09 pm (PDT)

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>

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> I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed. But

> a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618 hits.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

Here's the first one:

Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

PMID:22648092

I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in general.

There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed medical

journals.

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> of course you won't find. pubmed is all about " medications " .

> i'm sure it's backed by bigPharma gangsters.

> there are plenty of testimonials, there is no need for testing, trials...

>

> On 2 ביונ 2012, at 18:40, Longevity wrote:

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> > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:09 pm (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> > I can't find anything about serapeptase and arterial plaque on Pubmed.

> But

> > a lot is mentioned about it having anti-inflammatory properties.

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surprising indeed. then I apologize for ignorance…

but also surprising why no word about serrapeptase???

or maybe few..?

On 4 ביונ 2012, at 18:15, Longevity wrote:

> Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618 hits.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

>

> Here's the first one:

>

> Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

> Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

>

> Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

>

> Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> PMID:22648092

>

> I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in general.

> There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed medical

> journals.

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Serrpeptase is evidently a good anti-inflammatory agent. But I can't find

any evidence that anyone has ever shown that it can dissolve arterial

plaque. There was a German guy (Hans Naper??) who made the claim years ago

but there has been no evidence other than his claim. Too bad.

While looking though I did find one study showing that a combination of

EDTA and something else (can't remember what) was able to reduce plaque.

And of course there was that study comparing niacin to a statin drug.

Niacin evidently got rid of some of the plaque while the statin drug

failed. Niacin and fish oil are good at raising HDL.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Z.Latz <zzlatz@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> surprising indeed. then I apologize for ignorance…

> but also surprising why no word about serrapeptase???

> or maybe few..?

>

> On 4 ביונ 2012, at 18:15, Longevity wrote:

>

> > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> hits.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> >

> > Here's the first one:

> >

> > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

>

> > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

>

> >

> > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> >

> > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > PMID:22648092

> >

> > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> general.

> > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> medical

> > journals.

>

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Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic enzymes

eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that is all - or do

one function better then the others. For example one of the systemic enzymes is

supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain them the other systemic

enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can find to see which S.E. is

slightly better at one function then another S.E. - I am satisfied personally

from what I have seen and read over the last 5 years that serrapeptase if better

at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then the other systemic enzymes, however, I

am not convinced of this 200% partly because I am satisfied plus do not believe

that any difference in performance between serrapeptase and other systemic

enzymes when it comes to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth

my while to spend a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else

wishes to - well that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that

all the systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot find

one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life does not

begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls nor looking

them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who chooses

Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a person wishes

to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and responsible -- well

then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only reason I would waste my

time trying to enlighten them is because of others in the group whom have not

formed an opinion one way or another due to lack of knowledge. I have very good

reasons for my contempt and scorn plus dislike of Barrett and all that

he represents.

And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous notion

came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea. Personally I

consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be reliable as

extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous, and well just

plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about something or someone is

not important in my opinion when it comes to a person evaluating what they wish

to spend their money & time on - at least in my perception. What is important

are results, in the final analysis, and the truth - at least in my perception.

blessings

Shan

> >

> > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > hits.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > >

> > > Here's the first one:

> > >

> > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

> >

> > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> >

> > >

> > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > >

> > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > PMID:22648092

> > >

> > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > general.

> > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > medical

> > > journals.

> >

> >

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Another pointless meandering rant, revealing nothing new or that has not been

said before.

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic enzymes

eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that is all - or do

one function better then the others. For example one of the systemic enzymes is

supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain them the other systemic

enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can find to see which S.E. is

slightly better at one function then another S.E. - I am satisfied personally

from what I have seen and read over the last 5 years that serrapeptase if better

at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then the other systemic enzymes, however, I

am not convinced of this 200% partly because I am satisfied plus do not believe

that any difference in performance between serrapeptase and other systemic

enzymes when it comes to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth

my while to spend a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else

wishes to - well that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that

all the systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot find

one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life does not

begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls nor looking

them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who chooses

Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a person wishes

to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and responsible -- well

then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only reason I would waste my

time trying to enlighten them is because of others in the group whom have not

formed an opinion one way or another due to lack of knowledge. I have very good

reasons for my contempt and scorn plus dislike of Barrett and all that

he represents.

And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous notion

came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea. Personally I

consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be reliable as

extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous, and well just

plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about something or someone is

not important in my opinion when it comes to a person evaluating what they wish

to spend their money & time on - at least in my perception. What is important

are results, in the final analysis, and the truth - at least in my perception.

blessings

Shan

> >

> > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > hits.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > >

> > > Here's the first one:

> > >

> > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

> >

> > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> >

> > >

> > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > >

> > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > PMID:22648092

> > >

> > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > general.

> > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > medical

> > > journals.

> >

> >

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they were advising me to consider pacemaker and CABG.

Don't need any of that crap now.

I dont think you should ignore my experience because I wasnt part of a double

blind study.

 

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Serrpeptase is evidently a good anti-inflammatory agent. But I can't find

any evidence that anyone has ever shown that it can dissolve arterial

plaque. There was a German guy (Hans Naper??) who made the claim years ago

but there has been no evidence other than his claim. Too bad.

While looking though I did find one study showing that a combination of

EDTA and something else (can't remember what) was able to reduce plaque.

And of course there was that study comparing niacin to a statin drug.

Niacin evidently got rid of some of the plaque while the statin drug

failed. Niacin and fish oil are good at raising HDL.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Z.Latz <zzlatz@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> surprising indeed. then I apologize for ignorance…

> but also surprising why no word about serrapeptase???

> or maybe few..?

>

> On 4 ביונ 2012, at 18:15, Longevity wrote:

>

> > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> hits.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> >

> > Here's the first one:

> >

> > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

>

> > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

>

> >

> > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> >

> > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > PMID:22648092

> >

> > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> general.

> > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> medical

> > journals.

>

>

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I don't think it should be ignored either, but you have to take into account the

following, however unlikely you believe it to be:

1. It may not have been the serrapeptase that cured you;

2. It may have been the placebo effect that cured you (more likely than one

might think, when you look at the power of placebo in double blind placebo

studies); and

3. Serrapeptase may have worked in your case, but it might not work for others,

and in fact it might do more harm than good.

Anecdotal evidence of a substance's efficacy is always of interest to a reader,

but it's of somewhat limited value. You usually find if there is enough

anecdotal evidence (such as with substances that have been used by traditional

healers for generations) this eventually leads to someone deciding to allocate

resources to prove a substance's benefits, as well as proving its safety and

non-toxicity.

The fact that serrapeptase has been used for 30+ years clinically (as some claim

on this forum) and there is no clinical evidence to suggest that serrapeptase

dissolves arterial plaque, or that it dissolves fibrotic tissue in the dermis,

is a little concerning. Anecdotal evidence isn't enough to convince me. If

others on this forum want to be believers, and take it on faith and hearsay,

then do so at your own risk, but do not try and convince me that you do not need

a controlled environment (such as a controlled, double blind placebo study) to

prove a substance's efficacy and safety.

Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Serrpeptase is evidently a good anti-inflammatory agent. But I can't find

any evidence that anyone has ever shown that it can dissolve arterial

plaque. There was a German guy (Hans Naper??) who made the claim years ago

but there has been no evidence other than his claim. Too bad.

While looking though I did find one study showing that a combination of

EDTA and something else (can't remember what) was able to reduce plaque.

And of course there was that study comparing niacin to a statin drug.

Niacin evidently got rid of some of the plaque while the statin drug

failed. Niacin and fish oil are good at raising HDL.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Z.Latz <zzlatz@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> surprising indeed. then I apologize for ignorance…

> but also surprising why no word about serrapeptase???

> or maybe few..?

>

> On 4 ביונ 2012, at 18:15, Longevity wrote:

>

> > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> hits.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> >

> > Here's the first one:

> >

> > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave Velocity and

>

> > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

>

> >

> > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> >

> > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > PMID:22648092

> >

> > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken about

> > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> general.

> > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> medical

> > journals.

>

>

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It is desirable to know side effects, only likely to very few.

Special Precautions: Severe hepatic or renal disorder.

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> I don't think it should be igfew.nored either, but you have to take into

account the following, however unlikely you believe it to be:

>

>

>

> 1. It may not have been the serrapeptase that cured you;

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Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

for serrapeptase:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

agent:

A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

conducted?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of the

> systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain

> them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another S.E.

> - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last 5

> years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then

> the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200% partly

> because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to spend

> a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to - well

> that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

>

> And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only

> reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of others

> in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to lack

> of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

>

> And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at least

> in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis, and

> the truth - at least in my perception.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

>

> > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > > hits.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > >

> > > > Here's the first one:

> > > >

> > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> Velocity and

> > >

> > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > >

> > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > PMID:22648092

> > > >

> > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> about

> > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > general.

> > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > medical

> > > > journals.

> > >

> > >

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since there is no money in it who will fund it?

I suspect no double blind study has been conducted for atherosclerosis.

My personal experience convinces me it works.

There was nothing new in my life except the serrapeptase.

Kirk

 

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________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:23 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

for serrapeptase:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

agent:

A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

conducted?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of the

> systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain

> them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another S.E.

> - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last 5

> years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then

> the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200% partly

> because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to spend

> a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to - well

> that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

>

> And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only

> reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of others

> in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to lack

> of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

>

> And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at least

> in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis, and

> the truth - at least in my perception.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

>

> > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > > hits.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > >

> > > > Here's the first one:

> > > >

> > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> Velocity and

> > >

> > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > >

> > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > PMID:22648092

> > > >

> > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> about

> > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > general.

> > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > medical

> > > > journals.

> > >

> > >

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If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it would

be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug companies as

well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is even more

effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase (for example

something that could be swallowed with food and/or better absorbed than

serrapeptase).

Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

for serrapeptase:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

agent:

A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

conducted?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of the

> systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain

> them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another S.E.

> - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last 5

> years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then

> the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200% partly

> because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to spend

> a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to - well

> that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

>

> And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only

> reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of others

> in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to lack

> of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

>

> And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at least

> in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis, and

> the truth - at least in my perception.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

>

> > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > > hits.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > >

> > > > Here's the first one:

> > > >

> > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> Velocity and

> > >

> > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > >

> > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > PMID:22648092

> > > >

> > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> about

> > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > general.

> > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > medical

> > > > journals.

> > >

> > >

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Did you look at all of the studies that have been done with serrapeptase?

Who funded those? Amd who funded all of the studies with vitamin c? I get

49,972 hits for vitamin C. Who funded those studies?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=vitamin%20c

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> since there is no money in it who will fund it?

> I suspect no double blind study has been conducted for atherosclerosis.

> My personal experience convinces me it works.

> There was nothing new in my life except the serrapeptase.

>

> Kirk

>

>

> ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:23 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

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Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why I set

my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little success

with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or both.

It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies prefer

patented chemicals for profits.

Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are mouse

studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing everyone in

hospice

after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and cesium

chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a fleet of

German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

 

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________________________________

From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it would

be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug companies as

well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is even more

effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase (for example

something that could be swallowed with food and/or better absorbed than

serrapeptase).

Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

for serrapeptase:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

agent:

A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

conducted?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of the

> systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of pain

> them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another S.E.

> - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last 5

> years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed, then

> the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200% partly

> because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to spend

> a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to - well

> that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

>

> And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The only

> reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of others

> in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to lack

> of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

>

> And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at least

> in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis, and

> the truth - at least in my perception.

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

>

> > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up 618

> > > hits.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > >

> > > > Here's the first one:

> > > >

> > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> Velocity and

> > >

> > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > >

> > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > PMID:22648092

> > > >

> > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> about

> > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > general.

> > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > medical

> > > > journals.

> > >

> > >

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You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why

> I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or

> both.

> It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> everyone in hospice

> after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a

> fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

>

>

> ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it

> would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is

> even more effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase

> (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> absorbed than serrapeptase).

>

> Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

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cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

 

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________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why

> I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or

> both.

> It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> everyone in hospice

> after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a

> fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it

> would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is

> even more effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase

> (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> absorbed than serrapeptase).

>

> Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

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What cured you of what? Are you saying that cesium chloride cured you of

cancer?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

> cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

> seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

>

>

> ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

> therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

>

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats

> why

> > I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> > With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> > success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time

> or

> > both.

> > It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> > prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> > Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> > mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> > everyone in hospice

> > after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> > cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress

> is a

> > fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

> >

> >

> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> > Longevity

> > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men,

> it

> > would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> > companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which

> is

> > even more effective but based on a similar method of action to

> serrapeptase

> > (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> > absorbed than serrapeptase).

> >

> > Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> > That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> > peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> > for serrapeptase:

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

> >

> > Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> > agent:

> >

> > A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> > post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

> >

> > Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and

> trismus

> > after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

> >

> > But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> > treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever

> been

> > conducted?

> >

> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others,

> that

> > > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> > the

> > > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> > pain

> > > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I

> can

> > > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> > S.E.

> > > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the

> last

> > 5

> > > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> > then

> > > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> > partly

> > > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it

> comes

> > > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> > spend

> > > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> > well

> > > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> > >

> > > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you

> cannot

> > > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however -

> life

> > > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting

> urls

> > > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody

> who

> > > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if

> a

> > > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> > only

> > > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> > others

> > > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> > lack

> > > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> > >

> > > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids &

> scar

> > > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no

> idea.

> > > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to

> be

> > > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant,

> pompous,

> > > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> > least

> > > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> > and

> > > the truth - at least in my perception.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > > Shan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > >

> > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > 618

> > > > > hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > Velocity and

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > about

> > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > general.

> > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

> reviewed

> > > > > medical

> > > > > > journals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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All I know about Serrapeptase is that it works for me for leg pain from a slew

of health problems; I take it with Hydrocodone and it works as long as I don't

eat within two hours before or after taking the Serrapeptase. Mike

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yes, advanced renal cancer.. It also cured my friends prostate cancer that had

migrated into his hips and spine.

 read http://www.cancer-coverup.com/brewer/printbrewerreport.htm

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________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

What cured you of what? Are you saying that cesium chloride cured you of

cancer?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

> cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

> seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

> therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

>

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats

> why

> > I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> > With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> > success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time

> or

> > both.

> > It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> > prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> > Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> > mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> > everyone in hospice

> > after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> > cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress

> is a

> > fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

> >

> >

> > ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> > Longevity

> > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men,

> it

> > would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> > companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which

> is

> > even more effective but based on a similar method of action to

> serrapeptase

> > (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> > absorbed than serrapeptase).

> >

> > Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> > That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> > peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> > for serrapeptase:

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

> >

> > Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> > agent:

> >

> > A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> > post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

> >

> > Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and

> trismus

> > after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

> >

> > But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> > treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever

> been

> > conducted?

> >

> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others,

> that

> > > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> > the

> > > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> > pain

> > > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I

> can

> > > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> > S.E.

> > > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the

> last

> > 5

> > > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> > then

> > > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> > partly

> > > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it

> comes

> > > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> > spend

> > > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> > well

> > > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> > >

> > > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you

> cannot

> > > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however -

> life

> > > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting

> urls

> > > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody

> who

> > > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if

> a

> > > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> > only

> > > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> > others

> > > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> > lack

> > > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> > >

> > > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids &

> scar

> > > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no

> idea.

> > > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to

> be

> > > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant,

> pompous,

> > > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> > least

> > > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> > and

> > > the truth - at least in my perception.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > > Shan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > >

> > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > 618

> > > > > hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > Velocity and

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > about

> > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > general.

> > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

> reviewed

> > > > > medical

> > > > > > journals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Our

body has incredible ability to clear up and heal itself, if we create right

condition.

Taking

the enzymes requires several hours fasting prior and after,

so

you eat less, and you drink water and you skip unnecessary snaking -

 that itself i think is a main reason the body

starts clearing up.

But

it's possible enzymes also play some role. The one i bought seams like all

dead.

I

did an experiment with it, i put some cheese in two cups with some water and

added

Serrapeptase into one of the cups.

Several

hours later no changes, both cups are identical, the enzymes are either dead,

or fake.

Unfortunately

(or fortunately) i don't have any scars or any pain to conclude if it works,

and i can't see my arteries inside if it's getting cleaner.

I

only ordered one bottle to try and see if it can help to bring my blood pressure

from 130/90 to normal 110 /70. So far no changes with my blood pressure.

I

am taking 3 capsules early morning, 2-3 hours before i eat anything.

________________________________

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

" Longevity " <Longevity >

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

 

cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

 

....  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

    

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why

> I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or

> both.

> It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> everyone in hospice

> after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a

> fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it

> would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is

> even more effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase

> (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> absorbed than serrapeptase).

>

> Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

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