Co-Cure: : Proposed relationship between Lapp-Cheney B12 treatment and methylation treatment

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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:47:35 -0400From: Rich Van Konynenburg

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B12 treatment and methylation treatment

I think I now understand better why Drs. Lapp and Cheneyfound in the 1990s that

a high dosage of injected vitamin B12 (they initiallyused cyanocobalamin) gave

their ME/CFSpatients an increase in energy, stamina, or well-being within 12 to

24 hours,which lasted for two to three days, and why the dosage had to be so

highcompared to the RDA for B12 (2,000 to 2,500micrograms per injection,

compared to 2.4 micrograms per day) (as reported in the CFIDS Chronicle in 1993

and 1999). I also think I now understand better how thisfits in with the

methylation-type treatments, which can bring greaterimprovement on a more

permanent basis.

Here’s my suggested explanation:

It is known that normally after vitamin B12 is absorbed by the gut, it is

transported in the blood to the body’s cells, bound to the carrier

transcobalamin. After entering the cells, the B12 normally passes through an

intracellular processing pathway,which produces the appropriate amounts of the

two active coenzyme forms of B12needed by the cells, i.e. adenosylcobalamin and

methylcobalamin.

Adenosylcobalamin acts as a coenzyme in the mitochondrial methylmalonate

pathway, which feeds certain substances into the Krebs cycle tobe used as fuel

for making ATP. These substances are isoleucine, valine, threonine, methionine,

the side-chain of cholesterol, and odd-chain fatty acids.

Methylcobalamin acts in the cytosol as a coenzyme for the methionine synthase

reaction, which links the methylation cycle with the folate metabolism and also

helps to govern the flow into the transsulfuration pathway,which feeds the

synthesis of glutathione, among other reactions.

One of the key parts of the intracellular processing pathway for vitamin B12 is

called the CblC complementation group. This group normally binds cobalamin in

order to carry on its processing. The strength of this binding, called the

affinity, depends strongly on the presence of glutathione. A recent study by

Jeong and Kim (2011, PMID: 21821010) using bovine CblC and cyanocobalamin, found

that glutathione, which is normally present in the cells, raised this affinity

by a factor of over one hundred.

In ME/CFS, we have found that glutathione becomes depleted. That being the

case, we can expect the affinity of CblC for cobalamin to drop considerably.

The effect of this would be to lower the rate of production of both

adenosylcobalamin and methylcobalamin. The effect of lowering

adenosylcobalaminis to decrease the fuel supply to the Krebs cycle and hence to

lower the rateof production of ATP. The effect of lowering methylcobalamin is

to partially block the methionine synthase reaction, lowering the methylation

capacity, and draining the methylation cycleand disrupting the sulfur metabolism

in general. The methyl trap mechanism then continues to convert other forms of

folate into methylfolate, and this is partly catabolized by reaction with

peroxynitrite which forms as a result of the glutathione depletion. The folates

thus become depleted, and a chronic vicious circle mechanism is set up.

Now, consider what happens when a high dosage of B12 is injected, as in the

treatment discovered by Lapp and Cheney. When the dosage is high enough, the

low affinity of the CblC complementation group for cobalamin is overcome, so

that the rates of production of adenosylcobalamin and methylcobalamin are able

to come up, perhaps even to normal levels. I suggest that this affinity problem

is the reason for the need for such a high dosage of B12 to obtain a therapeutic

effect.

The added adenosylcobalamin would support the methylmalonate pathway, and more

fuel would be supplied to the Krebs cycle, which would raise the rate of

production of ATP. I suggest that this is what causes ME/CFS patients to

experience a boost in energy, stamina or well-being on the high-dose injectedB12

treatment. This is particularly significant in ME/CFS, because carbohydrate and

fat metabolism is hindered due to the effect of glutathione depletion on the

aconitase reaction, early in the Krebs cycle. Note also that deficiencies in

some of the B-complex vitamins can interfere with obtaining this benefit,

because they are also needed by the methylmalonate pathway.

However, I suggest that even though methylcobalamin production would also rise,

the partial block of the methionine synthase reaction would remain if B12 alone

is given, and this is the reason for the limited benefit of that treatment.

The reason why B12 treatment alone will not correct the partial block in

methionine synthase is that there is insufficient methylfolate available to

feed this reaction. The reason for that, as Prof. Pall has pointed out,

is that the level of methylfolate has been lowered by reaction with

peroxynitrite. Peroxynitrite has risen because of the state of oxidative stress

that ensues when glutathione is depleted.

If methylfolate is added in addition to adding high-dosageB12, the partial block

of methionine synthase can be lifted, which can then break the vicious circle

mechanism that holds glutathione down. Over time, as glutathione rises, the

affinity of CblC for cobalamin will also rise, and supplementation of

high-dosage B12will no longer be necessary. Likewise,peroxynitrite will drop as

glutathione is restored, so that supplementation of methylfolate will no longer

be necessary, either.

 Rich Van Konynenburg, Ph.D.

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> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:47:35 -0400From: Rich Van Konynenburg

richvank@...Subject: RES: Proposed relationship between Lapp-Cheney B12

treatment and methylation treatment

> I think I now understand better why Drs. Lapp and Cheneyfound in the 1990s

that a high dosage of injected vitamin B12 (they initiallyused cyanocobalamin)

gave their ME/CFSpatients an increase in energy, stamina, or well-being within

12 to 24 hours,which lasted for two to three days, and why the dosage had to be

so highcompared to the RDA for B12 (2,000 to 2,500micrograms per injection,

compared to 2.4 micrograms per day) (as reported in the CFIDS Chronicle in 1993

and 1999). I also think I now understand better how thisfits in with the

methylation-type treatments, which can bring greaterimprovement on a more

permanent basis.

> Here’s my suggested explanation:

> It is known that normally after vitamin B12 is absorbed by the gut, it is

transported in the blood to the body’s cells, bound to the carrier

transcobalamin. After entering the cells, the B12 normally passes through an

> intracellular processing pathway,which produces the appropriate amounts of the

> two active coenzyme forms of B12needed by the cells, i.e. adenosylcobalamin

and

> methylcobalamin.

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> Adenosylcobalamin acts as a coenzyme in the mitochondrial methylmalonate

pathway, which feeds certain substances into the Krebs cycle tobe used as fuel

for making ATP. These substances are isoleucine, valine, threonine, methionine,

the side-chain of cholesterol, and odd-chain fatty acids.

> Methylcobalamin acts in the cytosol as a coenzyme for the methionine synthase

reaction, which links the methylation cycle with the folate metabolism and also

helps to govern the flow into the transsulfuration pathway,which feeds the

synthesis of glutathione, among other reactions.

> One of the key parts of the intracellular processing pathway for vitamin B12

is called the CblC complementation group. This group normally binds cobalamin

in order to carry on its processing. The strength of this binding, called the

affinity, depends strongly on the presence of glutathione. A recent study by

Jeong and Kim (2011, PMID: 21821010) using bovine CblC and cyanocobalamin, found

that glutathione, which is normally present in the cells, raised this affinity

by a factor of over one hundred.

> In ME/CFS, we have found that glutathione becomes depleted. That being the

case, we can expect the affinity of CblC for cobalamin to drop considerably.

The effect of this would be to lower the rate of production of both

adenosylcobalamin and methylcobalamin. The effect of lowering

adenosylcobalaminis to decrease the fuel supply to the Krebs cycle and hence to

lower the rateof production of ATP. The effect of lowering methylcobalamin is

to partially block the methionine synthase reaction, lowering the methylation

capacity, and draining the methylation cycleand disrupting the sulfur metabolism

in general. The methyl trap mechanism then continues to convert other forms of

folate into methylfolate, and this is partly catabolized by reaction with

peroxynitrite which forms as a result of the glutathione depletion. The folates

thus become depleted, and a chronic vicious circle mechanism is set up.

> Now, consider what happens when a high dosage of B12 is injected, as in the

treatment discovered by Lapp and Cheney. When the dosage is high enough, the

low affinity of the CblC complementation group for cobalamin is overcome, so

that the rates of production of adenosylcobalamin and methylcobalamin are able

to come up, perhaps even to normal levels. I suggest that this affinity problem

is the reason for the need for such a high dosage of B12 to obtain a therapeutic

effect.

> The added adenosylcobalamin would support the methylmalonate pathway, and more

fuel would be supplied to the Krebs cycle, which would raise the rate of

production of ATP. I suggest that this is what causes ME/CFS patients to

experience a boost in energy, stamina or well-being on the high-dose injectedB12

treatment. This is particularly significant in ME/CFS, because carbohydrate and

fat metabolism is hindered due to the effect of glutathione depletion on the

aconitase reaction, early in the Krebs cycle. Note also that deficiencies in

some of the B-complex vitamins can interfere with obtaining this benefit,

because they are also needed by the methylmalonate pathway.

> However, I suggest that even though methylcobalamin production would also

rise, the partial block of the methionine synthase reaction would remain if B12

alone is given, and this is the reason for the limited benefit of that

treatment. The reason why B12 treatment alone will not correct the partial

block in methionine synthase is that there is insufficient methylfolate

available to feed this reaction. The reason for that, as Prof. Pall has

pointed out, is that the level of methylfolate has been lowered by reaction with

peroxynitrite. Peroxynitrite has risen because of the state of oxidative stress

that ensues when glutathione is depleted.

> If methylfolate is added in addition to adding high-dosageB12, the partial

block of methionine synthase can be lifted, which can then break the vicious

circle mechanism that holds glutathione down. Over time, as glutathione rises,

the affinity of CblC for cobalamin will also rise, and supplementation of

high-dosage B12will no longer be necessary. Likewise,peroxynitrite will drop as

glutathione is restored, so that supplementation of methylfolate will no longer

be necessary, either.

>

>

>  Rich Van Konynenburg, Ph.D.

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any specific scientific orpolitical opinion expressed in Co-Cure posts, and we

urge readers toresearch the various opinions available before assuming any

oneinterpretation is definitive. The Co-Cure website & lt;www.co-cure.org & gt; has

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to the issues of our community.

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