Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 it's definately sugary. you might want to culture it, as in add some kefir starter or grains, or lacto ferment it. that would decrease the sugar and add healthy bugs. -------------- Original message -------------- I just tasted VitaCoco coconut water for the first time...zowie! It's totally delish. I know WFN has a coconut water too, but they always seem to be out of it. This stuff is from Brazil and comes in 11 oz tetra paks for $2. So, how healthy is this stuff? It's pretty sweet...but no added sugar. The website is www.vitacoco.com. I have a question into the company about processing. I'm thinking about making a lf drink with coconut water and mint. -- If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 :Message: 54761 From: Received: Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:51 PM :Subject: Coconut Water : :I just tasted VitaCoco coconut water for the first time...zowie! It's :totally delish. I know WFN has a coconut water too, but they always :seem to be out of it. This stuff is from Brazil and comes in 11 oz :tetra paks for $2. : :So, how healthy is this stuff? It was healthy enough that doctors in wartime have used fresh young coconut water as a blood plasma substitute in IV's. CN water supposedly has a pH and electrolytes approaching that of human blood. Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 --- In , " brassypep " <bmcdonne@t...> wrote: > I'm going to now try an elimination diet to see if I can identify > what I shouldn't be eating. However I'm not sure of my overall > oopmh for the project, as I'm breastfeeding and find that the whole > fasting/diminishing diet thing makes me want to eat my chesterfield > by 8pm. I'm fine until about 8pm, then I want to eat eat eat eat > eat. Any suggestions as to easiers ways to identify a sensitivity > would be appreciated also. Did you see the news lately about how lack of 8 hours of sleep can produce hunger and eating binges? And it was just the sleep that did it? So, you are breasfeeding. This means that you have at least one small child which means that you are under stress and more likely than not, NOT getting enough sleep. So go to bed at 8 pm!! Connie H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 [brassypep] Any suggestions as to easiers ways to identify a sensitivity > would be appreciated also. [Catz] Brassypep, I found Dorris Rapp's book (Is This Your Child?) helpful in this regard. I believe newer editions have come out since I read it, but what I found useful in identifying was this. Make a list of your top 5 favorite foods/drinks, then look for a common denominator. When we did this with my dd, her's were 1)ham, 2)corn, 3)bacon, 4)hot dogs, 5)root beer... This was the start of learning to read labels, and actual good nutrtion! Do you see the common ingredient? It took us a while, and then add in #6)suckers, just for good measure. It turned out to be corn...especially corn syrup, but any corn will cause reactions. For me it was easy, especially in the winter it was bread, crackers, cookies, muffins, cake, doughnuts... wheat. While breastfeeding it is extremely important to eat properly and get enough food for your little one and yourself. Since you mentioned swelling, I am inclined to think wheat (which is known for swelling, depression, arthritic symptoms, sinus problems, and bed wetting), or grains in general. It takes three to five days for a food to move through our body completely (although I think that is only true of food that we have problems with!) So eliminate your common ingredient of your top 5 foods/drinks for about 5 days, and then eat it and see what happens. (Or if your are feeling better, problem has gone away, you may want to just continue avoiding that food!) I don't see a whole lot of fat on your list...make sure you are getting enough fat, as much of it raw as possible...butter, whole milk, cream, coconut, avacados, eggs, meat. Fat will provide you with more energy, and less thirst. Protein is the building blocks, but fat is the fuel. I hope that gives you some ideas! Catz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Joana, I was at the store picking up more drinks earlier and stumbled across the coconut water you mentioned to me. I was stunned to realize the high electrolytes level in it (potassium and magnesium). Now I know this is not the same thing as " coconut milk " that I have had in the islands (horrible!), and am going to try some of this coconut water next time out of curiousity. Thanks for telling me about it. I found an older piece on it, I will pass along. www.fao.org/WAICENT/FAOINFO/AGRICULT/magazine/9810 ~ Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 GRETCHEN, HELLO THERE. I AM AT THE CLUB AT THE MOMENT...BUT THOUGHT OF SAYING HELLO TO YOU.. NOW, THE COCONUT I AM TALKING ABOUT IT IS THE REAL COCONUT ITSELF, GREEN ONE AND SOMEONE HAS TO OPEN THE VERY HARD SKIN FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO DRINK THE AMAZING WATER...WE ARE NOT HERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE HORRIBLE DRINKS THAT THEY PUT IT IN A CAN OR BOTLLED ONES...THOSE ARE VERY BAD...THEY HAVE AWFUL TASTE AMD ALSO CHEMICALS IN IT... OK, I WILL TALK TO YOU LATER BECAUSE I MUST TO GO HOME VERY FAST. TODAY I HAVE FOOD DELIVERY AGAIN ...AT 8 PM AND IS 7.20PM NOW... TALK TO YOU LATER OK. HUGS JOANA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 http://store./saltoflife/coconutwater.html ~Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 On 7/27/05, Robin Ann <grainwreck@...> wrote: > http://store./saltoflife/coconutwater.html > ~Robin Thanks Robin. I found this one yesterday, but it doesn't say whether or not it is pasteurized. I emailed them to find out but they haven't gotten back. The price is similar to www.cocowater.com, but cocowater.com has free shipping, so I was thinking unless there was a quality difference I'd get it from there. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 - >My secret concern is that the processed water has been commercially >manipulated--standardized--to a human-determined sugar profile. >There, I've said it. There's nothing irrational about that concern. It's likely quite well-founded, because all processed plant foods are treated that way. There's a standard for the sugar content of canned beans, for example, and if a given lot of beans doesn't measure up, sugar is added, and it doesn't have to be listed. The same for tomato puree, juices, you name it. There's no reason to think coconut water isn't exactly the same. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 - >However, you might consider juicing >the meat if you have a good juicer. Would the result be akin to coconut milk, or something else? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 > However, you might consider juicing > the meat if you have a good juicer. You might also consider turning > the meat into milk. It is a better way to get the oil in my opinion. Another option is to turn the meat into a kind of pudding. After I drain my coconuts and get the ferment started I take the remaining husks and whack them in half with a cleaver. (Dangerous but effective. Hard on cutting boards.) I scoop out the small amount of young meat with a regular table spoon and put it into the large bowl on my Magic Bullet. I add some water and turn the thing on until everything is smooth and pudding like. I then usually proceed to chow down uncontrollably on the stuff until I'm full, but if I don't manage to eat it all or I'm being particularly disciplined I put the remainder in the fridge and eat a few spoonfuls at a time when I want a snack. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Ron- >Another option is to turn the meat into a kind of pudding. > >After I drain my coconuts and get the ferment started I take the remaining >husks and whack them in half with a cleaver. (Dangerous but effective. Hard >on cutting boards.) I scoop out the small amount of young meat with a >regular table spoon and put it into the large bowl on my Magic Bullet. I've never eaten a young coconut, but I imagine that would be awfully sugary, right? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 TB said: > > There is also the not-insignificant fact that the young cocos have > > been treated with potent fungicides and are weeks-old. > Yup, another problem with imported foods, even organic ones. The > question is, given the shell, how significant is this? , My *guess* is that it doesn't so much affect the stuff inside. (Heck, I'd eat it.) But I think it's something to be aware of. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 >-----Original Message----- >From: >[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Idol >I've never eaten a young coconut, but I imagine that would be awfully >sugary, right? Not the ones I get. Maybe they are low brix though. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 > I've never eaten a young coconut, but I imagine that would be awfully > sugary, right? Good question. I never thought about it until now. My decidedly unscientific answer is that it's probably slightly more sugary than mature coconut but not by much. My measure is taste and satiation. It doesn't really taste that much sweeter and it tends to fill me up fairly quickly. If I'm chowing down with a regular sized dinner spoon I usually eat somewhere between a half and whole cup. A whole cup feels like a _lot_. I stay satisfied for a long time afterwards, too. Makes me think that it's mostly fat then. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 On 7/27/05, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > This is the reply I got from TGASS: > > " Our coconut water is flash pasteurized in order that it may be sold > in the US. This pasteurization process does not effect in anyway the > nutritional benefits of this product. " > > Any thoughts? > > I think that young coconuts are, from what I have seen, somewhat > unavailable and very expensive in my area. It sounds like a complete > PITA to deal with them too. > > Any thoughts on the relative difference in health value between the > two forms? If the flash-pasteurized coconut water is *harmful* I > certainly don't want it, but if it is something like 70% decreased in > value it would be worth it to me to go with the convenience. > > Chris I would actually like to know what flash pasteurization is. It sounds like a sop to the health food industry as a way to keep people in the fold who want raw but they can't deliver raw because of regulation problems, costs (but I repeat myself), etc. The most popular producer of raw got milk in my state started to pasteurize their milk because they got tired of being hassled by the state (more specifically they didn't want to bale their milk as potentially harmful for eldery and children, among other things). Now they have it labeled " low temp. pasteurized " but I would bet a million dollars that " low " is a regulatory standard which most of us would consider " high " . At any rate, until further enlightened, it strikes me offhand as a marketing tool more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 On 7/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > There's nothing irrational about that concern. It's likely quite > well-founded, because all processed plant foods are treated that > way. There's a standard for the sugar content of canned beans, for > example, and if a given lot of beans doesn't measure up, sugar is added, > and it doesn't have to be listed. The same for tomato puree, juices, you > name it. There's no reason to think coconut water isn't exactly the same. I had a sample of organic baked beans yesterday from Trader Joe's. Tasted pretty good actually but no way beans are naturally that sweet. It didn't say it on the label but no doubt there was sugar added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 On 7/27/05, Idol <Idol@...> wrote: > - > > >However, you might consider juicing > >the meat if you have a good juicer. > > Would the result be akin to coconut milk, or something else? The PD'ers call it coco cream. AV seems to think that coco cream vs. coco oil vs. coco milk has differing effects on the body. I don't know from personal experience. I would guess it would be similar to the milk except you are getting less volume obviously because there is no added water, and it is simpler to make. But you do need a good juicer and the meat needs to be fairly warm for good results. It is quite tasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 On 7/27/05, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote: > > However, you might consider juicing > > the meat if you have a good juicer. You might also consider turning > > the meat into milk. It is a better way to get the oil in my opinion. > > Another option is to turn the meat into a kind of pudding. Sounds fabulous but I was specifically thinking of being able to drink his coco meat while fasting. > After I drain my coconuts and get the ferment started I take the remaining > husks and whack them in half with a cleaver. (Dangerous but effective. Hard > on cutting boards.) I scoop out the small amount of young meat with a > regular table spoon and put it into the large bowl on my Magic Bullet. I add > some water and turn the thing on until everything is smooth and pudding > like. I then usually proceed to chow down uncontrollably on the stuff until > I'm full, but if I don't manage to eat it all or I'm being particularly > disciplined LOL! That good. > I put the remainder in the fridge and eat a few spoonfuls at a > time when I want a snack. I leave it in the coco bowl until I am ready to eat it. Then I scoop the meat out with an ice cream scoop and eat it right up. It is quite filling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 > I'm mainly just curious. I can't imagine going to the effort > of breaking > open mature coconuts, at least, and maybe young ones too > (though I've never > actually gotten one) on a regular basis. My primary intent > is to juice > ginger, which is just too ridiculously hard with my craptastic Krups > juicer. Nut butters might be nice too from time to time. > Juiceman II. Not the nasty Junior version. Lightning fast and really quick cleanup. I've been using mine for almost 10 years now although the shredder basket is pretty dull at this point. It does a beautiful job on ginger. A V wouldn't approve because it's too fast and theoretically heats up the material being juiced. I've seen some interesting studies that show that the enzyme content of the Juiceman juice is actually better and more long lived than the twin gear juicers. Of course the one has is the best (can't recall the name at the moment) but who has $2k for a juicer? Not useful for nut butters, though. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Ron, <Of course the one has is the best (can't recall the name at the moment) but who has $2k for a juicer?> Wow, Ron, you have a good memory! Well, good except for forgetting the name <g>: Norwalk. Yes, it's wonderful, and horrendously expensive, and when it comes to handling coconuts, it probably can't be matched -- as I think AV has acknowledged, in spite of his general preference for the GreenPower ... um . . . GreenStar? My own memory fails. http://www.taichi4seniors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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