Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Morning, ; I was so impressed by your reply to Jantje. You and I are so much alike! I get into the running because I enjoy it but then it becomes this " bigger than life " presence in my life and pretty much just induces guilt because I can't keep up to my aspirations. Like you, I always wind up injured or sick but I usually keep it up right thru the pain, often causing myself further injuries. I panic when I can't run and get upset with myself when I don't run enough. Part of the problem, for myself, is that it is a very lonely activity. I do it alone and no one close to me is very interested. The few races I have run have been on my own, often with no one to cheer me on at the finish line. This is mainly why I have given up on races.I would probably be better off if I had a running group to work out with, but I can't go there because I don't feel I'm fast enough or skinny enough to be seen as a runner! This is why I just keep harping on no competition, just do something. Whatever works for you is good enough. Why can't we accept ourselves as good enough? I send these messages out to the group, but really I think they are for me. It's so great to hear the message being reflected back by you. Thank you so much! And I hope Jantje can forgiver herself and pat herself on the back for all the work she DOES do! Take care, Wynn Re: Exercise > > > Help! I am sooo frustrated with myself. > > Today, I have been at the Masters Swim Practive for the first time in over > a month. I was sick, traveling, or stuck working late. All valid reasons, > but still, I was not there. And today I really noticed how much I have > fallen behind the rest of the group. Embarassing! Luckily, I didn't feel > like I was holding people back. This brings back bad memories from PE > class back in the days, I guess that's why I am so upset. I have this > feeling of hopelessness and my reaction was to just walk away from it, > pretending I didn't care. Tonight, I seriously considered leaving the > practice and just forget about it- I didn't. I guess that's a start. But I > want to work through this somehow. After all, I have signed up for a > sprint triathlon in August. > > If I just dig in my heels I feel like I am just " practicing struggle " not > swimming the way it should be. > I guess I should just be really good about not missing my swim training > sessions, rather sacrifice running or biking if need be, because those are > the disciplines I feel more comfortable with. > > Does anyone have any more advice for me? I will try EFT on this and I have > also tried the mindfulness practice suggests for painful feelings. > As I said, at this point it has become so emotionally charged because as a > kid I did not exercise much, it only came later in my life that I learned > to love exercise. And I hated PE class... > > Thanks for listening! > > jantje > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Oh, Jantje! You do so much. Work, Exercise, the full enchilada. Did you listen to the podcast with Jena Laflamme, #107? Maybe you should give it a listen. It talks about struggling with exercise. If you don't truly enjoy it it gives you no benefit. I'm still mulling this one over and trying to decide if a) I fully believe that and I actually do like to run. I have been telling myself so long that I do but I'm not sure any more. I just know that when I basically took the winter off this year I gained 15 pounds and I am really struggling to get back into the running and also to drop any of this new weight. My eating is good. I rarely eat at night. I rarely " binge " and I am getting better and better at eating very healthy food and dropping the processed crap. But still I seem to be stuck, so I have to wonder what is going on deep down inside. I'm not trying to talk you out of the Master's Swim, don't think that. I think the practice is a wonderful opportunity for you to be out with people other than work and I am one who loves a challenge and a goal. I am just concerned that you have backed yourself into a corner here and you are putting way too much pressure on yourself. Can you do the swim and the triathlon just for the fun of it? Is it still fun? I'm hoping so. Let me know. Take care, Wynn [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > never > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > home, > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > not > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > sleep. > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > run--planning > > > > on > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > my > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > that > > > > got > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > thought of > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Oh, Jantje! You do so much. Work, Exercise, the full enchilada. Did you listen to the podcast with Jena Laflamme, #107? Maybe you should give it a listen. It talks about struggling with exercise. If you don't truly enjoy it it gives you no benefit. I'm still mulling this one over and trying to decide if a) I fully believe that and I actually do like to run. I have been telling myself so long that I do but I'm not sure any more. I just know that when I basically took the winter off this year I gained 15 pounds and I am really struggling to get back into the running and also to drop any of this new weight. My eating is good. I rarely eat at night. I rarely " binge " and I am getting better and better at eating very healthy food and dropping the processed crap. But still I seem to be stuck, so I have to wonder what is going on deep down inside. I'm not trying to talk you out of the Master's Swim, don't think that. I think the practice is a wonderful opportunity for you to be out with people other than work and I am one who loves a challenge and a goal. I am just concerned that you have backed yourself into a corner here and you are putting way too much pressure on yourself. Can you do the swim and the triathlon just for the fun of it? Is it still fun? I'm hoping so. Let me know. Take care, Wynn [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > never > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > home, > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > not > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > sleep. > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > run--planning > > > > on > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > my > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > that > > > > got > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > thought of > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010  Good morning , Wynn and Jantje, Jantje, reading your email was like reading something that I could have written only about tennis. I have played tennis for 20 years and was a very good 4.5-5 level player. I too was a chubby teenager who did anything and everything to get out of gym but from the age of 20 onwards have been involved in something. I had worked HARD (extremely hard) to reach a high level and stay there and was always proud of myself on and off the court. Just as you said you feel you are a runner and panicked when you could not run Wynn, I felt like this about tennis. If I couldn't play for a day or (God forbid) a couple of days it felt terrible. I won tropheys in singles, doubles, got the compliments and exclamations about my stamina, endurance and hard work. Then two years ago I came down with the flu, followed by another bad cold followed by a pulled back muscle. My husband had health problems, etc and for two years I have been starting and stopping. This year was supposed to be my comeback year. :-) Had lined up partners for doubles matches in tournaments in May, June but! again the flu, followed by a bad cold, etc.  Do I really want this? I don't know.It's sooooo difficult to go and play below the level I was playing. Humiliating..... So Jantje I can understand how frustrated you feel. Life gets in the way or we let it get in the way and we are too tired to fight back.  About the exercise Wynn. I think is right. It doesn't have to be perfect. I don't know in the end to what extent we use exercise to " make up for " the food we take in every day. Is it a way to purge some of the " bad " foods we have eaten? Is it a way to punish ourselves for haven overeaten? (Even if it is healthy food?) Or do we just have to run/jog/exercise because it gives us a very nice high and leaves us feeling a lot better the rest of the day????? And how much exercise is enough? Surely if we don't exercise for one day it's not going to make a big difference. I think we will actually give our bodies a much needed rest and be raring to go the next. Anyway just a few ideas that have been running around in my head. I'd love to hear your ideas on all of this...  Thanks SO much to all the group for the ideas, encouragement and comments! I think that we will be able to figure some things out as we continue on our weight loss journey, make it easier and accomplish some of our goals.   From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreeze@...> Subject: Re: Re: Exercise weightloss Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:00 PM  Morning, ; I was so impressed by your reply to Jantje. You and I are so much alike! I get into the running because I enjoy it but then it becomes this " bigger than life " presence in my life and pretty much just induces guilt because I can't keep up to my aspirations. Like you, I always wind up injured or sick but I usually keep it up right thru the pain, often causing myself further injuries. I panic when I can't run and get upset with myself when I don't run enough. Part of the problem, for myself, is that it is a very lonely activity. I do it alone and no one close to me is very interested. The few races I have run have been on my own, often with no one to cheer me on at the finish line. This is mainly why I have given up on races.I would probably be better off if I had a running group to work out with, but I can't go there because I don't feel I'm fast enough or skinny enough to be seen as a runner! This is why I just keep harping on no competition, just do something. Whatever works for you is good enough. Why can't we accept ourselves as good enough? I send these messages out to the group, but really I think they are for me. It's so great to hear the message being reflected back by you. Thank you so much! And I hope Jantje can forgiver herself and pat herself on the back for all the work she DOES do! Take care, Wynn [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise > > > Help! I am sooo frustrated with myself. > > Today, I have been at the Masters Swim Practive for the first time in over > a month. I was sick, traveling, or stuck working late. All valid reasons, > but still, I was not there. And today I really noticed how much I have > fallen behind the rest of the group. Embarassing! Luckily, I didn't feel > like I was holding people back. This brings back bad memories from PE > class back in the days, I guess that's why I am so upset. I have this > feeling of hopelessness and my reaction was to just walk away from it, > pretending I didn't care. Tonight, I seriously considered leaving the > practice and just forget about it- I didn't. I guess that's a start. But I > want to work through this somehow. After all, I have signed up for a > sprint triathlon in August. > > If I just dig in my heels I feel like I am just " practicing struggle " not > swimming the way it should be. > I guess I should just be really good about not missing my swim training > sessions, rather sacrifice running or biking if need be, because those are > the disciplines I feel more comfortable with. > > Does anyone have any more advice for me? I will try EFT on this and I have > also tried the mindfulness practice suggests for painful feelings. > As I said, at this point it has become so emotionally charged because as a > kid I did not exercise much, it only came later in my life that I learned > to love exercise. And I hated PE class... > > Thanks for listening! > > jantje > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 baby steps....Positive baby steps....Already you are teaching the kids you keep to be kind and forgiving....apply the same advice to yourself. Start out looking for ONE positive....and doing something good for yourself and for someone else. Then come on and post it. :-)  So many children that you look after. I'm sure you must do dozens of kind things every day. Give us some examples. What did you do today that showed kindness and love towards yourself? Who was kind to you today?  From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 baby steps....Positive baby steps....Already you are teaching the kids you keep to be kind and forgiving....apply the same advice to yourself. Start out looking for ONE positive....and doing something good for yourself and for someone else. Then come on and post it. :-)  So many children that you look after. I'm sure you must do dozens of kind things every day. Give us some examples. What did you do today that showed kindness and love towards yourself? Who was kind to you today?  From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 BTW....ran 4 k yesterday on the treadmill and did some weight lifting. Jogged outside today 6 k.....very nice jog by the sea :-) PERFECT! and some weight lifting. What did you guys do?? From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM Â Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I get those thoughts constantly when I run ( I can hear my father saying you are so ungraceful it isn't funny or you walk like a football player blah blah blah and many other things) so I imagine my dad in a balloon and I can see him talking but I let go of the balloon and then it gets smaller and smaller and sometimes I just imagine myself with running shoes on stepping on the balloon and pop it is gone. Kinda hokey pokey like but It is helpful for me. As far as the kid who prefers to be cuddled up with a book or sitting focused paining or drawling...... why can't we be both. Hugs from Constance in Mich.  From: Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> Subject: Re: Exercise weightloss Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:42 PM  Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I get those thoughts constantly when I run ( I can hear my father saying you are so ungraceful it isn't funny or you walk like a football player blah blah blah and many other things) so I imagine my dad in a balloon and I can see him talking but I let go of the balloon and then it gets smaller and smaller and sometimes I just imagine myself with running shoes on stepping on the balloon and pop it is gone. Kinda hokey pokey like but It is helpful for me. As far as the kid who prefers to be cuddled up with a book or sitting focused paining or drawling...... why can't we be both. Hugs from Constance in Mich.  From: Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes@...> Subject: Re: Exercise weightloss Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:42 PM  Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Thanks ..... Today..... I sat and just talk to each child. They love when you give them one on one attention and just talk to them. Take very a very little thing called T I M E to show children you care about them.  I apologized twice to my husband when I snapped at him when I was really hungry. I took it on myself to call and get my assistant signed up for Softball ( time for her to stop worrying about her verbally, mentally and emotionally abusive husband) Such a long personal and painful tangle mess of a marriage. I sent a positive email to each my daughters I planned a swimming party ( all the talk about swimming made me a little jealous and sad and I decided TOMORROW ..... open swim NO IF's NO BUTT's even if everyone bales I am going....... I am going and I am OK HUGS from Constance in Mich. From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Thanks ..... Today..... I sat and just talk to each child. They love when you give them one on one attention and just talk to them. Take very a very little thing called T I M E to show children you care about them.  I apologized twice to my husband when I snapped at him when I was really hungry. I took it on myself to call and get my assistant signed up for Softball ( time for her to stop worrying about her verbally, mentally and emotionally abusive husband) Such a long personal and painful tangle mess of a marriage. I sent a positive email to each my daughters I planned a swimming party ( all the talk about swimming made me a little jealous and sad and I decided TOMORROW ..... open swim NO IF's NO BUTT's even if everyone bales I am going....... I am going and I am OK HUGS from Constance in Mich. From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Sorry I have done nothing this week ( But I am OK with that) I still lost weight. I have been really really tired and since I usually have issues with not being able to sleep for days on end : I decided to listen to my body and take it easy and sleep. Someone gave me nne Micheal's ( 30 day shred) to try for a couple of days to add to my walking program and my occasional running. She (asked me to join a dance thing ) I turned her down. She has asked me dozen of times to come over and do this work out with her and her sil. I always say no and come up with a lame excuse. I need to figure out why I am doing this. I know have 7, 8, 9, and 10. I now understand the level of hungry ( 0 to 10). Hugs Constance in Mich.  From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Sorry I have done nothing this week ( But I am OK with that) I still lost weight. I have been really really tired and since I usually have issues with not being able to sleep for days on end : I decided to listen to my body and take it easy and sleep. Someone gave me nne Micheal's ( 30 day shred) to try for a couple of days to add to my walking program and my occasional running. She (asked me to join a dance thing ) I turned her down. She has asked me dozen of times to come over and do this work out with her and her sil. I always say no and come up with a lame excuse. I need to figure out why I am doing this. I know have 7, 8, 9, and 10. I now understand the level of hungry ( 0 to 10). Hugs Constance in Mich.  From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010  Incredibly positive! Way to go Constance! And you lost weight too! Great!!!!!  I gave my own self a pep talk last night and got myself back on track yesterday but only after gaining 5 pounds. Frustrating but I am not looking back. A good friend and I had a talk about my weight issues and he was very kind and encouraging about all of the positive steps i've been taking. It was the extra bit of motivation I needed to continue on this weight loss journey. Also, arranged to quick start my tennis " comeback " with 2 months lessons so set that up yesterday. Finally, I have started going over all my notes from 's podcasts.  Have  a great day everyone, From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010  Incredibly positive! Way to go Constance! And you lost weight too! Great!!!!!  I gave my own self a pep talk last night and got myself back on track yesterday but only after gaining 5 pounds. Frustrating but I am not looking back. A good friend and I had a talk about my weight issues and he was very kind and encouraging about all of the positive steps i've been taking. It was the extra bit of motivation I needed to continue on this weight loss journey. Also, arranged to quick start my tennis " comeback " with 2 months lessons so set that up yesterday. Finally, I have started going over all my notes from 's podcasts.  Have  a great day everyone, From: lvrocher <lavrocheraol (DOT) com> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:57 AM  Hello Everyone, I am going to get back on track! I have walked for the last 2 days. Today, for an hour while listening to the podcasts. I go back to work tomorrow to my stressful job. I am trying to keep positive thoughts so that I don't stress eat. Hope you all have a good Monday. V. > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > weightloss @groups. com > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > Oh ! > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what is > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have been > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I even > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am slowly > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical overachiever > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because she > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 hours a > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > towel - > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. Well, > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working on > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of you > > for > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > Wynn > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Wow, I woke up to so many interesting posts... but I don't have time for more than one response now. what kind of work I do. I work in documentation. You know, writing all those manuals that no one ever reads.... Except now I work for a medical device company. If no one else reads it, the FDA does. Which means that word choice is *very* important.... Jantje, what does " athletic " mean to you? Do you really have to be a runner, and a cyclist, AND a swimmer to be athletic? If you can run a marathon but you don't like to swim, does that mean you're not athletic? If you've never run a race in your life, but you love spending a day hiking, lugging food and 3 liters of water, are you not athletic? I'm sensing a limiting belief here.... Next time you're swimming laps, you might want to remind yourself how athletic you are now. :-) And send back a hug to your younger self, with whatever message you want to send her. Maybe it's that it's OK to enjoy reading. Maybe it's to reassure her that eventually she will be athletic. Whatever feels right to you.... OK, better get moving. I'll be drawing on all your support this morning--I've agreed to do something that puts me way outside my comfort zone, but it's down the path towards finding my " soul's gift. " ________________________________ One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Wow, I woke up to so many interesting posts... but I don't have time for more than one response now. what kind of work I do. I work in documentation. You know, writing all those manuals that no one ever reads.... Except now I work for a medical device company. If no one else reads it, the FDA does. Which means that word choice is *very* important.... Jantje, what does " athletic " mean to you? Do you really have to be a runner, and a cyclist, AND a swimmer to be athletic? If you can run a marathon but you don't like to swim, does that mean you're not athletic? If you've never run a race in your life, but you love spending a day hiking, lugging food and 3 liters of water, are you not athletic? I'm sensing a limiting belief here.... Next time you're swimming laps, you might want to remind yourself how athletic you are now. :-) And send back a hug to your younger self, with whatever message you want to send her. Maybe it's that it's OK to enjoy reading. Maybe it's to reassure her that eventually she will be athletic. Whatever feels right to you.... OK, better get moving. I'll be drawing on all your support this morning--I've agreed to do something that puts me way outside my comfort zone, but it's down the path towards finding my " soul's gift. " ________________________________ One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Jantje, I believe that you are very athletic. You know just because you have not managed yet to reach a certain level in a particular sport does not mean you are not athletic. It may mean you are a bit of a perfectionist who does not have 18 hours a day to devote to sports. :-) Give yourself a break! You are doing incredible things that you enjoy and are trying at the swimming. You said yourself that swimming is technique and it takes time to acquire the skills and techniques that a sport demands, esp. swimming. I think your idea to give yourself till end of May is very smart indeed and also some practicing on your own.  Finally, I have been where you were at in the pool. I've been so frustrated on the tennis courts and wanted (desparately) to walk off the courts. To stop trying. Ohhhhhh.... but then there are the good days when it is so worth being out there and all your hard work comes together and you think YES! JOY! :-)  And Constance is right. Why indeed can't we be an athlete who also loves to curl up with a book or watch tv? I loved the idea of putting your negative images in a balloon and letting them go or even better stepping on them! From: Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:42 PM  Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Jantje, I believe that you are very athletic. You know just because you have not managed yet to reach a certain level in a particular sport does not mean you are not athletic. It may mean you are a bit of a perfectionist who does not have 18 hours a day to devote to sports. :-) Give yourself a break! You are doing incredible things that you enjoy and are trying at the swimming. You said yourself that swimming is technique and it takes time to acquire the skills and techniques that a sport demands, esp. swimming. I think your idea to give yourself till end of May is very smart indeed and also some practicing on your own.  Finally, I have been where you were at in the pool. I've been so frustrated on the tennis courts and wanted (desparately) to walk off the courts. To stop trying. Ohhhhhh.... but then there are the good days when it is so worth being out there and all your hard work comes together and you think YES! JOY! :-)  And Constance is right. Why indeed can't we be an athlete who also loves to curl up with a book or watch tv? I loved the idea of putting your negative images in a balloon and letting them go or even better stepping on them! From: Nixe708 <jantje.gerdes> Subject: [insideoutweightlos s] Re: Exercise weightloss @groups. com Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:42 PM  Thank you, and Wynn! You do have a couple of valid points. Especially the inner conflict one. While I like to run and cycle, I am not so sure about swimming. I would really love to love it. But so far I don't. On the other hand, it is very technical, so maybe once I know how to swim properly I can enjoy it. Last night, I used the mindfulness breathing exercise from the podcast, just being in the pain. That did not really solve the problem, but I gained some perspective. I decided the following: The Master's Swim goes into summer break by the end of May. I will give myself until then. Make a real commitment to practice once a week by myself and once at the swim practice. Give this a real shot. If I don't like it by the end of next month I will critically evaluate my commitment to the triathlon. One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Thanks again for listening and your great advice.And for reminding me of the things I do do... Jantje BTW, I did 20 min of Pilates today. No running because of an important meeting/ presentation at work. Hopefully tomorrow. Again, thank you for this challenge, it really has helped me get back into swing! > > > > > > > > From: Wayne and Wynn Schneider <mrfreezeagt (DOT) net> > > > > Subject: Re: [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > weightloss @groups. com > > > > Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:23 PM > > > > > > > > Oh ! > > > > I was so delighted to read your post this morning. This is what > > > > is > > > > talking about when she discusses " healing in community " . I, too, have > > > > been > > > > exercising these past few weeks when I don't want to or don't think I > > > > even > > > > can, because I have made promises to all of you out there. And I am > > > > slowly > > > > coming out of the " all or nothing " mindset. I am the typical > > > > overachiever > > > > mentioned in one of 's podcasts who simply does nothing because > > > > she > > > > doesn't have the time to do a 2 hour workout. I used to work out 2 > > > > hours a > > > > day at least 5 days a week. When I can't do that I just throw in the > > > > towel - > > > > what good is a 1/2 hour run or a few sets of weights, I ask myself. > > > > Well, > > > > it's a heck of a lot better than no run at all and I'm really working > > > > on > > > > that one. It's difficult for me as I am sure it is for many of us, but > > > > knowing someone out there has my best interests in their heart and is > > > > silently encouraging me to get up and get going makes an incredible > > > > difference. Amazing but true, and I would like to thank everyone of > > > > you > > > > for > > > > your caring and kindness and encouragement. > > > > Wynn > > > > [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > > > never > > > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > > > home, > > > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and > > > > > not > > > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my > > > > > sleep. > > > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a > > > > > run--planning > > > > > on > > > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored > > > > > my > > > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days > > > > > that > > > > > got > > > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but > > > > > thought of > > > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for > > > > > variety.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Good luck !! Have a great day! From: <lsageev@...> Subject: Re: Re: Exercise weightloss Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 12:01 PM Â Wow, I woke up to so many interesting posts... but I don't have time for more than one response now. what kind of work I do. I work in documentation. You know, writing all those manuals that no one ever reads.... Except now I work for a medical device company. If no one else reads it, the FDA does. Which means that word choice is *very* important... . Jantje, what does " athletic " mean to you? Do you really have to be a runner, and a cyclist, AND a swimmer to be athletic? If you can run a marathon but you don't like to swim, does that mean you're not athletic? If you've never run a race in your life, but you love spending a day hiking, lugging food and 3 liters of water, are you not athletic? I'm sensing a limiting belief here.... Next time you're swimming laps, you might want to remind yourself how athletic you are now. :-) And send back a hug to your younger self, with whatever message you want to send her. Maybe it's that it's OK to enjoy reading. Maybe it's to reassure her that eventually she will be athletic. Whatever feels right to you.... OK, better get moving. I'll be drawing on all your support this morning--I've agreed to do something that puts me way outside my comfort zone, but it's down the path towards finding my " soul's gift. " ____________ _________ _________ __ One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Good luck !! Have a great day! From: <lsageev@...> Subject: Re: Re: Exercise weightloss Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 12:01 PM Â Wow, I woke up to so many interesting posts... but I don't have time for more than one response now. what kind of work I do. I work in documentation. You know, writing all those manuals that no one ever reads.... Except now I work for a medical device company. If no one else reads it, the FDA does. Which means that word choice is *very* important... . Jantje, what does " athletic " mean to you? Do you really have to be a runner, and a cyclist, AND a swimmer to be athletic? If you can run a marathon but you don't like to swim, does that mean you're not athletic? If you've never run a race in your life, but you love spending a day hiking, lugging food and 3 liters of water, are you not athletic? I'm sensing a limiting belief here.... Next time you're swimming laps, you might want to remind yourself how athletic you are now. :-) And send back a hug to your younger self, with whatever message you want to send her. Maybe it's that it's OK to enjoy reading. Maybe it's to reassure her that eventually she will be athletic. Whatever feels right to you.... OK, better get moving. I'll be drawing on all your support this morning--I've agreed to do something that puts me way outside my comfort zone, but it's down the path towards finding my " soul's gift. " ____________ _________ _________ __ One other source of the conflict is that I have this picture of myself as an active, somewhat athletic person despite my heaviness. But this experience brings up my memories from my childhood belief (which was reinforced by my Mom's beliefs about me), that I am a chubby, non-athletic kid who'd much rather spend her day inside reading than being active and running around outside. I thought I had overcome that belief but it came back last night. Maybe I am not as athletic as I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Morning, Constance; I was away for a few days, so I hope you have had that swimming party and all went well. I congratulate you just for having the courage to put on a bathing suit! Not sure I could go there at this point. And that makes me angry and sad. I think of all the things I miss out on because I am so embarassed about my body. Oh well, just one more thing to work on. We went to the mountains on Thurs. night, intending to spend the weekend golfing after we finished up with banking and accountants and the like, but we drove thru snow to get there and woke up to 6 " of snow Friday morning, so we just drove home last night. Weather is poor here as well. Cold & rainy. I haven't lost anything this week. I think I have been lying to myself about my food intake. I have certainly cut down and stopped the night eating and most of the processed food, but it's obviously not enough. I also need to increase the exercise. The running is difficult because I have problem knees & hips and have been battling a flare-up of plantar fasciitis since I started work the beginning of March. Sometimes I just want to throw int he towel but I know that isn't the answer. Thank you all for helping me in the running department. I really need to add weights and stretching and meditation, so that needs to be a focus this week. Keep letting me know how your weight program is going. It really helps me to get on track and I know how important the strength training is. Hope you are having a wonderful weekend. Take care, Wynn [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought > > > of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, I hear such good encouragement out there , thought i wold jump in...i have 20 pounds to lose for the past ten years and don;t manage to get very far.I started listening to renee in march and find that she makes a lots of sense to me. I lost two pounds though and managed to gain them back which is sort of my normal pattern. So still at square 1 one,. I am resonably active tennis and treadmill and need to get back to the yoga, I know my body misses it. SoI am listening to the podcasts, doing a bit of journalling and have decided tha i might have the limiting belif that I can;t lose weight, but not sure why i think that except that it seems like have been trying for a long time. I knowt the mind is at the center of this problem and not sure why i can;t get unstuck.... [insideoutweightlos s] Exercise > > > > > By the way, after promising to join Wynn in the running challenge, I > > > never > > > reported back as to how much it helped! > > > > > > I first committed to running last Wednesday. A day I usually work at > > > home, > > > so I thought it would be easy. I ended up going to the office, and not > > > getting home until around 8:30pm.... I was tired. I neeeeeed my sleep. > > > That's a promise to myself. But I also promised myself a run--planning > > > on > > > around 40 minutes. Soooooo... I ran for 20min. Felt great, honored my > > > promises, slept well. > > > > > > I've had another two good runs since then, and there were 3 days that > > > got > > > in a 30-min walk. Not bad for chaos week! > > > > > > There were a couple of times that I was sort of wavering, but thought of > > > Wynn, and did it anyway. So thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Next week I'll work in a little strength trainging for variety.... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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