Guest guest Posted November 11, 2000 Report Share Posted November 11, 2000 In a message dated 11/10/00 7:49:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, egroups writes: > I've had a few really bad days lately as Brook had 9 seizures Wednesday > morning. Marisa: Prayers and hugs being sent your way for Brook......I know how you feel when they are doing so well on a new med and then " crash " ......although doesn't have seizures, my neighbor's daughter does....I know how frightening they can be. Take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Hi Lori, I wish I has something helpful to report but the truth is hasn't been " seizure free " for more than a couple of months since he was diagnosed. Was Tommy on medication during the three years he didn't have seizures? My only thought is that if he was, maybe he has outgrown the dose? Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Hi Lori, Brook had myoclonic and petit mal seizures starting when he was a baby and we finally took him off of Depakote when he was almost 7 yrs old. Last year in May after being seizure free for 3 years, when Brook was 10 yrs old, he suddenly started having seizures again. His neurologist thinks they were generalized petit mal seizures. We started him on Depakote and they went away and then his neurologist wanted to switch him to Lamictal because it has less side effects. So we switched, a process that took 3 months, and then last November he started having myoclonic seizures again. We raised his dose of Lamictal and the seizures went away again. His doctor doesn't know why he started having seizures again but the good news is that most of the time children do grow out of their seizures. I think it may have something to do with hormones and adolescence coming on in Brook's case, but who knows. It is really a very frightening experience for me when Brook is having seizures and it brings back a lot of really bad memories from when he was a baby. So I know how hard it can be dealing with epilepsy. His doctor didn't think doing another EEG would be necessary. I am really grateful though that his medication works so well for him. I hope you get Tommy's seizures under control. Marisa Mom to Miles 14, Brook 11 and Gennie 3yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 lori, nice to hear from you!!! thanks for the prayers and concerns of cameron...dr.capone's email is capone@... and the website is www.kennedykrieger.org....sorry i don't have the phone numbers but i always just email him...is easier and cheaper for me and i have it in writing if i forgetsomething...lolol which is happening alotlately.... take care and good luck with the eeg and seizure stuff....very very scary...prayers coming your way too,,,,keep your head above the water..lmao mine is being an anchor these days......leah >From: " Lori Ali " <lali@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: seizures >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:53:53 -0500 > >Hi, > >I haven't posted in awhile, but am always trying to keep up with reading >the posts, prayers coming your way Leah for Cameron, I hope all goes well. > , Tommy had to be weaned of his depakene for about a week and ahalf >a few years ago, because of blood and liver problems. > >Now my big questions, has anyones child who has had a history of past >seizures (Tommy had infanitle spasms, had any grand mal seizures years >later) Tommy has been seizure free for 3 years and he has had 2 grand mal >seizures in the last 6 months, we are schelded for an eeg in 3 weeks. let >me know if this has happened to anyone??? > >Also I would like to take Tommy to see Dr Capone, could anyone who has seen >him give me some info on how to get an appt, what he will do and how to try >to get insurance to pay for it. > >Thanks for all your help, hope everyone has a peaceful weekend!!! >Lori mom to 11, Shayne 9 and Tommy 6 1/2 ds, autism, Crohns disease > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 : The medication that made 's seizures worse is called Zonegran or Zonisimide. Currently is on Phenobarb, Mysoline, Neurontin, Lamictal, Prednisone, and Zonegran. has Lennox Gastaut Syndrome, a rare progressive seizure disorder. has 7 different types of seizures. She can have 100 -200 seizures a day on a bad day, on a good day as few as 20. We are currently looking into a device called the Vagus Nerve Stimulator. Have you investigated it for yourself? She was on Depakote as a baby, and she became liver toxic. Are your seizures under control now? Does the Lamictal seem to be working for you? I am not sure if the lamictal is working on at all. Its hard to tell with so many meds involved. I KNOW the mysolone and the neurontin and phenobarb work. Were you recently diagnosed with seizures or have you had them a while if you don't mind me asking? Take care Tina Mike, 16 CVID, JRA, Asthma, Pan Sinusitis, GERD, GI Bleed, Depression and very sick right now with a stomach virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 : The medication that made 's seizures worse is called Zonegran or Zonisimide. Currently is on Phenobarb, Mysoline, Neurontin, Lamictal, Prednisone, and Zonegran. has Lennox Gastaut Syndrome, a rare progressive seizure disorder. has 7 different types of seizures. She can have 100 -200 seizures a day on a bad day, on a good day as few as 20. We are currently looking into a device called the Vagus Nerve Stimulator. Have you investigated it for yourself? She was on Depakote as a baby, and she became liver toxic. Are your seizures under control now? Does the Lamictal seem to be working for you? I am not sure if the lamictal is working on at all. Its hard to tell with so many meds involved. I KNOW the mysolone and the neurontin and phenobarb work. Were you recently diagnosed with seizures or have you had them a while if you don't mind me asking? Take care Tina Mike, 16 CVID, JRA, Asthma, Pan Sinusitis, GERD, GI Bleed, Depression and very sick right now with a stomach virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 Hi Tina, My name is Sandi. My son has PID--it hasn't been narrowed down yet, but his Ped and I both suspect IgA def. The reason I'm writing to you is because I also have seizures. They are a result of a brain injury I received after having Encephalitis. I just have one question, does also have a PID? I have always had more seizures when I am sick, viral or bacterial, but especially viral. Also, for me, stress is a huge issue--also difficult to keep at low levels. I only take phenobarb, and it only controls the gran mals. I am thankful to have my life back, however, so I put up with it's side effects. Most other seizure meds make me sick, or I can't keep a level. Dilantin always gets toxic, no matter how much I take. Everybody is different, but for me, one large dose of a seizure med is better than smaller doses of two or more different seizure meds. Combinations don't work for me. I have one friend who takes four or five different seizure meds daily, and that works for her. I hope your family had a good Thanksgiving. Sandi, Mom to , age 8, suspected IgA def., chronic sinusitis, ear infections, severe allergies. Nine surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 Hi Tina, My name is Sandi. My son has PID--it hasn't been narrowed down yet, but his Ped and I both suspect IgA def. The reason I'm writing to you is because I also have seizures. They are a result of a brain injury I received after having Encephalitis. I just have one question, does also have a PID? I have always had more seizures when I am sick, viral or bacterial, but especially viral. Also, for me, stress is a huge issue--also difficult to keep at low levels. I only take phenobarb, and it only controls the gran mals. I am thankful to have my life back, however, so I put up with it's side effects. Most other seizure meds make me sick, or I can't keep a level. Dilantin always gets toxic, no matter how much I take. Everybody is different, but for me, one large dose of a seizure med is better than smaller doses of two or more different seizure meds. Combinations don't work for me. I have one friend who takes four or five different seizure meds daily, and that works for her. I hope your family had a good Thanksgiving. Sandi, Mom to , age 8, suspected IgA def., chronic sinusitis, ear infections, severe allergies. Nine surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 , I've heard of the vagus nerve implants. A young man from one of Jamey's classes had one put in and it did control most of the seizures. Your right though, it's going to take some time to get used to it. I'm going to look up your meds after I'm done here--but why do they have you on two? Do they control different kinds of seizures? Sincerely, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 Hello , Yes I am on two meds due to having two kinds of seizures. The unfortunate thing is that I've gained over 10 pounds, which I could use anyway. The other unfortunate thing is that the meds have caused another kind of seizure to start/ develop. I've never had this type until I started the meds. Any info on the vagus implant would be appreciated. Re: seizures > , > > I've heard of the vagus nerve implants. A young man from one of > Jamey's classes had one put in and it did control most of the > seizures. > > Your right though, it's going to take some time to get used to it. > > I'm going to look up your meds after I'm done here--but why do they > have you on two? Do they control different kinds of seizures? > > Sincerely, > > > > > This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed with a Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated here are the sole responsibility of the poster and should not be taken as professional advice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 In a message dated 10/31/2002 9:06:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: > Her eyes are slightly open and seem to roll back in her head? Do some > children just sleep like that and nothing is wrong with them? Hi , Yes, many children sleep like this and there is nothing wrong with them. I highly doubt she is having a seizure because you would see some other evidence of such, ie. muscle twitching, lip smaking or loss of bladder control. In addition, since she does sleep with her eyes partially open (I have two who do this as well) their eyes will roll up in lighter sleep stages to " get away " from the light sources. If she were to be lying in a totally dark room (but then you couldn't check this because it is dark LOL) her eyes " probably " wouldn't be doing that. But since there was obviously some light source seeing as you are able to clearly see her eyes, then her brain was telling them to roll up a bit to avoid that light. Does any of that make sense! LOL In otherwords, I wouldn't worry about it. :-) Hope this helps. Oh, just wanted to also say, that Nettie's eyes sometimes even " roll around " in her head when she is in REM sleep, very FREAKY! Mommy to Annette 12 (Selective Antibody Deficiency-IGG 2 and 4, CP, Developmental Delay, g-tube, HIV+, IVIG x 3 years), 7 (CVID, brain tumor survivor, severe hearing loss, chronic sinus and ear infections, asthma, seizure disorder, GERD, IVIG x 1 year) and Trayvon 3 (Ivemark Syndrome, severe congenital heart defects, asplenia, situs inversus) All wonderful!!!!! <A HREF= " http://www.caringbridge.com/ny/my2angels/ " >Click here: CaringBridge - my2angels</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 HI Donna, My 19 year old son had his first seizure when he was in 8th grade. It was the only seizure we could actually see him have. He had the EEG and it came back positive for seizure activity so he's been on Depakote since that time. The type of seizures he's been diagnosed with is subclinical seizure disorder. I think that's a new name for petit mal seizures. I agree with you it is a very scary experience. It is common with autism and puberty though. Donna <DOCHS@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son is a nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old and just had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scary experience. Donna __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hi Donna, I'm sorry to hear that your son is having seizures.My son (9yrs) has epilepsy as well.(diagnosed at 4yrs old)We tried many meds till we got it right which ended up being a combination of 2(Klonopin and depakote) the first one we started out on was Tegretol and that worked really well for a while till he built up a tolerance to it.We probably tried about 6 different meds till we found what we've been with for years. Has your son had a 24hr EEG? How was it determined that he had a seizure? Oh yeah,my son is limited verbally as well and yes very scary to watch them go through a seizure.My son's seizures have been pretty much under control the past year so hopefully this is a sign that they're going away.My son used to go right to sleep after one.Well ...if you have any questions feel free to ask. Stacey From: Donna <DOCHS@...> Date: Sun Jun 25 10:09:49 CDT 2006 autism Subject: seizures Hello everyone,  I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son is a nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old and just had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scary experience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Thank you for the response, and Stacey. My son has only had the one seizure so far. It was a grand mal. The only injury he had was from biting his tongue. His pediatrician is sending us to a neurologist to let a specialist make decisions about testing and medication. He said that they are not so quick to put a person on seizure meds as they used to be. Even drawing blood on my son requires him to be put out. Since the incident, I am constantly checking on him. I think he wondering about what is wrong with mom. Donna " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. " seizures Hello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son is a nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old and just had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scary experience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Donna, That sounds like a good plan to follow up with a neurologist.We did and she ordered the 24hr ambulatory EEG..I strongly feel anything less than 24 hrs cannot be conclusive we did a 30min and it showed nothing,the dr tried to tell us if it didn't show on a short study it won't show on a long study(ridiculous).My son needed to be sedated for the technician to put the electrodes on his head.Once they were on and his head was wrapped up in gauze (so he couldn't get to the connections)he did very well. If you have any questions about the process feel free to ask..we've done it 3times.The interesting thing about seizures is that my son more than likely was having them since infancy but they were so slight we didn't notice.I remember he used to have what we thought were night terrors and he'd wake up crying.Anyways,please keep us posted on things. P.s. the downside to doing meds is that you do need to repeat blood draws to determine the level of meds in his system and to check liver function and other things.We used to have to hold my son down..but it had to be done because theres no other way to tell what the levels are . Stacey From: Donna <DOCHS@...> Date: Sun Jun 25 15:06:38 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: seizures Thank you for the response, and Stacey. My son has only had the one seizure so far. It was a grand mal. The only injury he had was from biting his tongue. His pediatrician is sending us to a neurologist to let a specialist make decisions about testing and medication. He said that they are not so quick to put a person on seizure meds as they used to be. Even drawing blood on my son requires him to be put out. Since the incident, I am constantly checking on him. I think he wondering about what is wrong with mom. Donna " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. " seizures Hello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son is a nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old and just had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scary experience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Stacey, I am interested in your experience with your son's seizures. My son had 3 seizures last summer- I believe they were partial complex but they lasted 5- 10 minutes and he lost consciousness and slept for hours after. He had an EEG- it came back normal. He saw a neurologist and had a sedated EEG and it came back normal. As he has not had another seizure in 10 months, I haven't done anything more. The neurologist doubts he had a seizure but I am positive that's what they were. Is it unusual to have a normal EEG? even a normal sleep-deprived EEG with sedation? Janet Re: seizuresHi Donna,I'm sorry to hear that your son is having seizures.My son (9yrs) hasepilepsy as well.(diagnosed at 4yrs old)We tried many meds till we got itright which ended up being a combination of 2(Klonopin and depakote) thefirst one we started out on was Tegretol and that worked really well for awhile till he built up a tolerance to it.We probably tried about 6 differentmeds till we found what we've been with for years.Has your son had a 24hr EEG? How was it determined that he had a seizure? Ohyeah,my son is limited verbally as well and yes very scary to watch them gothrough a seizure.My son's seizures have been pretty much under control thepast year so hopefully this is a sign that they're going away.My son used togo right to sleep after one.Well ...if you have any questions feel free toask.StaceyFrom: Donna <DOCHS@....com>Date: Sun Jun 25 10:09:49 CDT 2006autism Subject: seizuresHello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son isa nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old andjust had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scaryexperience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My cousin began having seizures when he was a teenager. It took two years of tests before they showed up on a EEG . R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My cousin began having seizures when he was a teenager. It took two years of tests before they showed up on a EEG . R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My cousin began having seizures when he was a teenager. It took two years of tests before they showed up on a EEG . R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My son suffered from febrile convulsions - they were grand mal type fits and went on for in excess of half an hour on 2 occaisions with the full fit the whole time. These were always fever related and he had 8 of them in total. All tests including EEG's came back showing no probs. He was on medication because such long fits are dangerous but has now come of medication and has been seizure free for over 2 years now. Re: seizuresHi Donna,I'm sorry to hear that your son is having seizures.My son (9yrs) hasepilepsy as well.(diagnosed at 4yrs old)We tried many meds till we got itright which ended up being a combination of 2(Klonopin and depakote) thefirst one we started out on was Tegretol and that worked really well for awhile till he built up a tolerance to it.We probably tried about 6 differentmeds till we found what we've been with for years.Has your son had a 24hr EEG? How was it determined that he had a seizure? Ohyeah,my son is limited verbally as well and yes very scary to watch them gothrough a seizure.My son's seizures have been pretty much under control thepast year so hopefully this is a sign that they're going away.My son used togo right to sleep after one.Well ...if you have any questions feel free toask.StaceyFrom: Donna <DOCHS@....com>Date: Sun Jun 25 10:09:49 CDT 2006autism Subject: seizuresHello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son isa nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old andjust had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scaryexperience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My son suffered from febrile convulsions - they were grand mal type fits and went on for in excess of half an hour on 2 occaisions with the full fit the whole time. These were always fever related and he had 8 of them in total. All tests including EEG's came back showing no probs. He was on medication because such long fits are dangerous but has now come of medication and has been seizure free for over 2 years now. Re: seizuresHi Donna,I'm sorry to hear that your son is having seizures.My son (9yrs) hasepilepsy as well.(diagnosed at 4yrs old)We tried many meds till we got itright which ended up being a combination of 2(Klonopin and depakote) thefirst one we started out on was Tegretol and that worked really well for awhile till he built up a tolerance to it.We probably tried about 6 differentmeds till we found what we've been with for years.Has your son had a 24hr EEG? How was it determined that he had a seizure? Ohyeah,my son is limited verbally as well and yes very scary to watch them gothrough a seizure.My son's seizures have been pretty much under control thepast year so hopefully this is a sign that they're going away.My son used togo right to sleep after one.Well ...if you have any questions feel free toask.StaceyFrom: Donna <DOCHS@....com>Date: Sun Jun 25 10:09:49 CDT 2006autism Subject: seizuresHello everyone, I wondered if anyone has a child who has seizures? My son isa nonverbal, lower functioning autistic young man who is 17 years old andjust had a seizure for the first time a few days ago. It was a scaryexperience. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 My guy has just started with petite seizures. He had 3 grand mal febrile seizures back in 2001 and nothing till October of last year. In January of this year he was having these seizures at least once a month. He is 9 years old, but is showing signs of puberty. I have heard this may cause seizures, but not how long they will continue to occur. The seizure starts as a faint, or body goes slack, then rigid for only about 10 seconds, then he is pale and clammy, then usually rests for a bit. With the febrile seizures back in 2001, he slept for 6 to 8 hours after. Beth NolanMabel's Labels Inc.1-800-30-MABEL1-905-320-4714http://www.nolan.mabel.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 It sounds to me like you need to get your memories straight and maybe on paper then talk to your family MD who could refer you to a neurologist. I know that when my son was younger, whatever he was doing when the seizure hit, he kept on doing during the seizure. For instance, if he was walking when the seizure started, he would be oblivious to the world around him, but he would keep walking. That was one reason we had to restrict some of his activities. I wish you luck in figuring out what is going on. ; ) Willow --- ferret_kelly <ferret_kelly@...> wrote: > I had seizures till I was 8 or 9 years old and my > family and I thought My Challenges: Scoliosis, Radiation Injury to my Brain, Ministrokes, Memory Problems, Cluster Migraine Headaches, Osteoporosis with Multiple Broken Bones, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Fatigue, Depression, PTSD, Bipolar Type II Rapid Cycling, Anxiety, Chronic Insomnia, Sleep Apnea, Spinal Stenosis, TMJ injury, Thyroid Cancer X3, Skin Cancer, Loss of Salivary Glands due to Thyroid Radiation Tx, Teeth Destruction with Loss of Salivary Glands, Obesity, Restless Leg Syndrome, Alpha Wave Intrusion on Delta Sleep plus many other Sleep Anomalies, vonWillebrand's disease (genetic bleeding disorder), Hypertension, High Cholesterol and Triglycerides, Chronic Allergies, Asthma, Peripheral Neuropathy, Chronic Gastritis, GERD, Adult ADD, Overactive Bladder, Chronic Nosebleeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 It sounds to me like you need to get your memories straight and maybe on paper then talk to your family MD who could refer you to a neurologist. I know that when my son was younger, whatever he was doing when the seizure hit, he kept on doing during the seizure. For instance, if he was walking when the seizure started, he would be oblivious to the world around him, but he would keep walking. That was one reason we had to restrict some of his activities. I wish you luck in figuring out what is going on. ; ) Willow --- ferret_kelly <ferret_kelly@...> wrote: > I had seizures till I was 8 or 9 years old and my > family and I thought My Challenges: Scoliosis, Radiation Injury to my Brain, Ministrokes, Memory Problems, Cluster Migraine Headaches, Osteoporosis with Multiple Broken Bones, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Fatigue, Depression, PTSD, Bipolar Type II Rapid Cycling, Anxiety, Chronic Insomnia, Sleep Apnea, Spinal Stenosis, TMJ injury, Thyroid Cancer X3, Skin Cancer, Loss of Salivary Glands due to Thyroid Radiation Tx, Teeth Destruction with Loss of Salivary Glands, Obesity, Restless Leg Syndrome, Alpha Wave Intrusion on Delta Sleep plus many other Sleep Anomalies, vonWillebrand's disease (genetic bleeding disorder), Hypertension, High Cholesterol and Triglycerides, Chronic Allergies, Asthma, Peripheral Neuropathy, Chronic Gastritis, GERD, Adult ADD, Overactive Bladder, Chronic Nosebleeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I don't know what zen is sorry. the doctors will have asked you if you were giving him any medication. Just make sure that you tell them about the zen and show them the bottle so they can look at the active ingredients I'm very sorry about your son. Seizures are terrifying. I'm sure it is nothing you have done Sally Rob wrote: > >> > Hi > > Have just been through my sons second seizure in 24hrs and feel very > helpless. The only change in his supplements in the last day has been > the introduction of 200mg of zen, i can only wonder if this has had > anything to do with it? > > He is back at the hospital where seizure meds are a likely > recommendation from the drs but hope there is something else that can > be taken than medicating him on drugs. > > Any thoughts appreciated. > > Kate > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.15/2434 - Release Date: 10/13/09 19:11:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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