Re: Re: Weights Dangerous for Baseball? Specificity

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Re: Weights Dangerous for Baseball? Specificity

Nyman wrote:

To Casler,

There are a number of items in your last post that I do not agree

with but I only have time energy and desire to address one of

your " rebuttals " . As I do enough arguing with others about pitching

each day.

*** Casler responds: " Argument By Laziness "

The arguer attempts to make the issues raised by the questioner seem trivial

and unimportant by feigning more important issues take all " time energy and

desire " . This is an attempt to devalue the question or argument and elevate

the status of the responder. Usually the matter responded to is carefully

selected as the weakest issue of the questioner and a " shoe in, or slam

dunk " for the responder. (I promise I won't continue this, but I couldn't

resist)

Nyman wrote:

3. Pitching is NOT a unilateral activity. Some of the best and

hardest throwing exhibit almost perfect bilateral symmetry for most

of the delivery.

Casler wrote:

This use of the term " bilateral " is news to me. I am under the

impression that a " bilateral " action requires that both limbs

simultaneously provide equal force, in the same movement pattern,

using the same muscle groups such as a standing dumbbell press where

the bells are both pressed at the same time.

Are you referring to the simultaneous tensioning of the scapulas? as

opposed to the actual action of the pitching arm? You certainly

don't horizontally adduct both arms during the actual throwing motion

(preparation excluded) "

Nyman wrote:

, the bilateral symmetry that I refer to not only has to do with

balance, potentiation and force production issues but also the motor

program and its " overhead " .

Casler writes:

Pitching no doubt involves the whole body. It would seem however that much

of the activity is performed on one leg at a time, AND the ball is certainly

delivered with one hand. (Isn't tennis considered uni-lateral?)

I plead ignorance if this is generally considered " bilateral " . That

certainly would give one a very limited range of activities that could be

termed " uni-lateral " .

Never the less, my point regarding the bench press was that it IS a classic

" bi-lateral " action with equal motor impulse patterns eccentric and

concentric, not opposing/antagonist systems activated in concert.

So it (the bench press) has a tendency to develop a motor activation of both

limbs acting to perform the same task on each side. This is certainly not a

" red flag " since this motor pattern is not generally thought as " reflexive "

for general purposes.

This also does not lessen its value as a Gross Conditioner, but does not

increase its value toward the " perfect pitching exercise " (remember my

original post was not anti-bench press, but questioning the perfect

moniker?)

Casler wrote:

" You certainly don't horizontally adduct both arms during the actual

throwing motion (preparation excluded) "

Nyman wrote:

You most certainly do horizontally flex both scapula during the

throwing motion. The horizontal adduction of both scapula is an

important preparatory move, the same eccentric-concentric action

typical of most ballistic actions.

That's why the bench press is so " intriguing " for pitchers. because

it involves similar eccentric-concentric actions/ROM.

Casler writes:

I can't seem to see where I said anything about not adducting the scapula.

(I assume you are referring to what is usually called depressing and

downward rotation of the scapula?)

I said, " You certainly don't horizontally adduct both ARMS during the actual

throwing motion (preparation excluded) "

Nyman wrote:

And I don't know why " preparation is excluded " . The preparation

eccentric phase is vital to maximizing the power production and

transfer as it is with almost all ballistic activities.

Casler writes:

I excluded the " preparation " because there is some simultaneous horizontal

humerus adduction prior to the pre-stretch that I wanted to eliminate since

it is only the starting position. (When the pitcher holds the ball and glove

out in front of them)

It is after this position, that both arms are ABducted in a somewhat

simultaneous action similar to the eccentric phase of the bench press.

This is the position that is most similar to any action in the bench press.

It should be noted however that the lead arm is accelerated to provide a

pre-stretch by the muscles that are antagonist to the bench press.

This acceleration, combined with the with the accompanying stabilization of

the scapular/shoulder complex produces a coupling to the dynamic torso

activation and provides a platform from which the opposite side of the body

can produce maximal force.

Nyman wrote:

By the way , the name is NYMAN.

Sorry! (I use copy and paste and must have misspelled the first copy)

Regards,

A. Casler

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