Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 hi fian my 3 year old has recently begun chelation, hes due to have an operation just a day thing for hydroseal, on the 28th of june - ive already accosted the docter and told him i want the most hypoallergenic anaesthetic available, and am going to purchase something homeopathic to help counteract any illeffects i was just wondering if and when i should halt the chelation and when i should begin again after the op? also does anyone know of any supplements that may help?? he takes the usual: brainchild, extra calcium, magnesium, zinc, and vitamin c, taurine, eye q and clo plus all 3 enzymes and probiotics and he suffers dreadfully with yeast so GSE with chelation just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at 1 today and said " its an extremely small one you know " - i nearly fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for him i hope. thanks emma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hi Emma, there was a thread on ldn list recently re a child who regressed after an operation (luckily he is now slowly coming back to pre-op state!), I have saved some of it so here it is - it looks like nitrious oxide is the thing to be vary of, especially if raised homocysteine levels or lack of b vitamins is suspected, b12 in particular... if you cannot avoid it in anesthesia it might be a good idea to boost those vitamins beforehand "... I am the mom with the regressed son. there was no opiate used with our son however there was 2 min of nitrous oxide even though we told them not to. after doing LOTS of research I would opt for sevoflorine again but NOT nitrious oxided and or Isoflorine either after all I have read on both. my son has started back up on his LDN 2 days ago and we are seeing great gains again, and the only bad side effect we are having is he is waking 2 hours earlier in the AM. I should have probley stepped up slowingly as well and not jumped back in at full dose the night after LDN. hope some of that helps. the regression got better as soon as we pulled it and again we have been able to put it back in. we are in the study as well so I hope at some point there is VERY clear understanding on WHY my son reacted like this,. we are going through genetic testing for mito issues and I bet that plays into the reaction as well.." one of the replies went: Abstract Neurologic degeneration associated with nitrous oxide anesthesia in patients with vitamin B12 deficiency. from: http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ija/vol8n2/no.xml Nitrous oxide constitutes a major component in most of the anesthesia procedures practiced all over the world. Based on the current information available from the human and animal research studies, we believe that patients with a diagnosis of severe 5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) deficiency should not receive nitrous oxide as anesthesia. Blood homocysteine assays by High Performance Liquid Chromatography (HPLC) should be considered before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia in patients with a personal or family history of cardiovascular disease, but in whom the well-established risk factors for cardiovascular disease such as smoking, high blood cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, physical inactivity and obesity do not exist. If these patients show elevated homocysteine levels, further work up for the etiology of elevated homocysteine levels should be done before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia. In patients with B vitamin complex (B6, B12 and Folate) deficiency as the cause of elevated homocysteine levels, a one-week course of oral B vitamins can prevent the postoperative increase in homocysteine from nitrous oxide, and, by implication, myocardial ischemia as well ( 29 ). Patients with suspected B12 deficiency (megaloblastic anemia and neurological dysfunction) should undergo serum B12 and methylmalonic acid assays before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia to prevent postoperative morbidity and mortality due to myocardial ischemia and neurological deterioration resulting from elevated plasma homocysteine and methylmalonic acid levels respectively. If B12 deficiency is diagnosed, the patient should receive a one-week course of B vitamins before using nitrous oxide to prevent postoperative complications such as myocardial ischemia and neurological dysfunction. Contact Address Pramood C Kalikiri, M.D., PH.D. 3801 W. Napoleon Ave, Apt # B-106, Metairie, La-70122. Home Phone No: 504-909-2081. E-Mail: PKALIK@... hope that helps, Natasa >> hi> > fian my 3 year old has recently begun chelation, hes due to have an > operation just a day thing for hydroseal, on the 28th of june - ive > already accosted the docter and told him i want the most > hypoallergenic anaesthetic available, and am going to purchase > something homeopathic to help counteract any illeffects> > i was just wondering if and when i should halt the chelation and > when i should begin again after the op? also does anyone know of > any supplements that may help??> > he takes the usual: brainchild, extra calcium, magnesium, zinc, and > vitamin c, taurine, eye q and clo plus all 3 enzymes and probiotics > and he suffers dreadfully with yeast so GSE with chelation> > just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped > today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue > here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i > pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at > 1 today and said "its an extremely small one you know" - i nearly > fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements > enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething > drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has > completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for > him i hope.> > thanks > > emma> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hi Emma, there was a thread on ldn list recently re a child who regressed after an operation (luckily he is now slowly coming back to pre-op state!), I have saved some of it so here it is - it looks like nitrious oxide is the thing to be vary of, especially if raised homocysteine levels or lack of b vitamins is suspected, b12 in particular... if you cannot avoid it in anesthesia it might be a good idea to boost those vitamins beforehand "... I am the mom with the regressed son. there was no opiate used with our son however there was 2 min of nitrous oxide even though we told them not to. after doing LOTS of research I would opt for sevoflorine again but NOT nitrious oxided and or Isoflorine either after all I have read on both. my son has started back up on his LDN 2 days ago and we are seeing great gains again, and the only bad side effect we are having is he is waking 2 hours earlier in the AM. I should have probley stepped up slowingly as well and not jumped back in at full dose the night after LDN. hope some of that helps. the regression got better as soon as we pulled it and again we have been able to put it back in. we are in the study as well so I hope at some point there is VERY clear understanding on WHY my son reacted like this,. we are going through genetic testing for mito issues and I bet that plays into the reaction as well.." one of the replies went: Abstract Neurologic degeneration associated with nitrous oxide anesthesia in patients with vitamin B12 deficiency. from: http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ija/vol8n2/no.xml Nitrous oxide constitutes a major component in most of the anesthesia procedures practiced all over the world. Based on the current information available from the human and animal research studies, we believe that patients with a diagnosis of severe 5,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) deficiency should not receive nitrous oxide as anesthesia. Blood homocysteine assays by High Performance Liquid Chromatography (HPLC) should be considered before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia in patients with a personal or family history of cardiovascular disease, but in whom the well-established risk factors for cardiovascular disease such as smoking, high blood cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, physical inactivity and obesity do not exist. If these patients show elevated homocysteine levels, further work up for the etiology of elevated homocysteine levels should be done before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia. In patients with B vitamin complex (B6, B12 and Folate) deficiency as the cause of elevated homocysteine levels, a one-week course of oral B vitamins can prevent the postoperative increase in homocysteine from nitrous oxide, and, by implication, myocardial ischemia as well ( 29 ). Patients with suspected B12 deficiency (megaloblastic anemia and neurological dysfunction) should undergo serum B12 and methylmalonic acid assays before using nitrous oxide as anesthesia to prevent postoperative morbidity and mortality due to myocardial ischemia and neurological deterioration resulting from elevated plasma homocysteine and methylmalonic acid levels respectively. If B12 deficiency is diagnosed, the patient should receive a one-week course of B vitamins before using nitrous oxide to prevent postoperative complications such as myocardial ischemia and neurological dysfunction. Contact Address Pramood C Kalikiri, M.D., PH.D. 3801 W. Napoleon Ave, Apt # B-106, Metairie, La-70122. Home Phone No: 504-909-2081. E-Mail: PKALIK@... hope that helps, Natasa >> hi> > fian my 3 year old has recently begun chelation, hes due to have an > operation just a day thing for hydroseal, on the 28th of june - ive > already accosted the docter and told him i want the most > hypoallergenic anaesthetic available, and am going to purchase > something homeopathic to help counteract any illeffects> > i was just wondering if and when i should halt the chelation and > when i should begin again after the op? also does anyone know of > any supplements that may help??> > he takes the usual: brainchild, extra calcium, magnesium, zinc, and > vitamin c, taurine, eye q and clo plus all 3 enzymes and probiotics > and he suffers dreadfully with yeast so GSE with chelation> > just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped > today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue > here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i > pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at > 1 today and said "its an extremely small one you know" - i nearly > fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements > enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething > drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has > completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for > him i hope.> > thanks > > emma> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 In a message dated 16/05/2006 20:46:37 GMT Daylight Time, eeejay174@... writes: just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at 1 today and said "its an extremely small one you know" - i nearly fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for him i hope. >>>AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soon you'll be saying, I love it when a plan come together! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 In a message dated 16/05/2006 20:46:37 GMT Daylight Time, eeejay174@... writes: just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at 1 today and said "its an extremely small one you know" - i nearly fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for him i hope. >>>AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soon you'll be saying, I love it when a plan come together! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 thank you for all the replies funnily enough ive just re-introduced c complex and b12 back in a powdered form, so thats defiantely somethig ill continue, and up the b complex to twice a day, and at least i now know which ones to insist that he doesnt have ill have a look at that link to thank you so much for responding kindest regards emma > > hi > > fian my 3 year old has recently begun chelation, hes due to have an > operation just a day thing for hydroseal, on the 28th of june - ive > already accosted the docter and told him i want the most > hypoallergenic anaesthetic available, and am going to purchase > something homeopathic to help counteract any illeffects > > i was just wondering if and when i should halt the chelation and > when i should begin again after the op? also does anyone know of > any supplements that may help?? > > he takes the usual: brainchild, extra calcium, magnesium, zinc, and > vitamin c, taurine, eye q and clo plus all 3 enzymes and probiotics > and he suffers dreadfully with yeast so GSE with chelation > > just for blowing his trumpet, i chelated for the 3rd time stopped > today - and bearing in minds hes only 3, hes had me on snail rescue > here - everytime he seen a snail in the last 2 days, he insists i > pick it up and rescue it so he doesnt get trodden on, he pointed at > 1 today and said " its an extremely small one you know " - i nearly > fell over - before biomedical intervention - ie using supplements > enzymes etc 1 year ago the doctor told me unless i did domething > drastic he was going to be on ritalin by the age of 3 - he has > completely transformed, chelation seemed to be the final piece for > him i hope. > > thanks > > emma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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