Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I am new to this group and I am curious about mixing Jojoba oil with Vanilla Essential Oil. I want to try using the Vanilla for it's sent and as a fixative for perfumes. Everything I have tried has failed. Thank you in advance. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > > > Hello Janita, I do not believe the Vanilla oil is in any additional oil. I bought it at New Directions and the bottle reads " Vanilla 10 Fold Vanilla Planifolia Essential Oil. Everytime I use it there is a major seperation. I have used EO's for 5 years and have never seen anything seperate before. I have heard of Vanilla absolute maybe that is what I need and maybe what I bought should be for cooking??? Thanks for your help. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 judymease <judymease@...> wrote: > > > Hello Janita, I do not believe the Vanilla oil is in any additional oil I have heard of Vanilla absolute Judy Judy Buy the absolute you can then dilute down appropriately in carrier of your choice. The only other way is to macerate some vanilla in jojoba for a period..... Tenfold refers to the concentration of the essential oil. Good luck HTH Every good wish, Janita Janita Haan Natural Perfume Flowers of Myddfai project http://www.tiny.cc/flowers817 Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com --------------------------------- Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > > > Thank You Janita. I will try the absolute. Judy > > --------------------------------- > Sent from & #45; a smarter inbox. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 judymease wrote: > I do not believe the Vanilla oil is in any additional oil. I bought it > at New Directions and the bottle reads " Vanilla 10 Fold Vanilla > Planifolia Essential Oil. Everytime I use it there is a major > seperation. I have used EO's for 5 years and have never seen anything > seperate before. I have heard of Vanilla absolute maybe that is what I > need and maybe what I bought should be for cooking??? Judy, what you purchased is a vanilla oleoresin product. Read more about vanilla oleoresins here: *http://tinyurl.com/2kaml8 *Oleoresins are mainly used in the flavoring industry, and with few exceptions, not used in the fragrance industry - insolubility and lack of good scent being the main reasons. You can search our archives for some reporting they use the chunk oleoresin and dilute it in alcohol, shaking occasionally to disperse it, and that their alcohol does take on the scent. Better to use the absolute. Don't try tincturing the beans in alcohol. I know many have recommended this, but the scent is quite weak compared to the absolute. If you just want a " sheer " light vanilla in the background, I guess you could tincture them, but for a real vanilla scent, get absolute. I just checked the vanilla FAQ in our Files, and the link doesn't work anymore. I wrote the author to see if I can get the article, it is very thorough. -- Sincerely, Anya Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes, consultation Natural Perfumers Guild http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.com 1400 member Natural Perfumery group - / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > Hello Janita, > > I do not believe the Vanilla oil is in any additional oil. I bought it > at New Directions and the bottle reads " Vanilla 10 Fold Vanilla > Planifolia Essential Oil. Everytime I use it there is a major > seperation. I have used EO's for 5 years and have never seen anything > seperate before. I have heard of Vanilla absolute maybe that is what I > need and maybe what I bought should be for cooking??? > > Thanks for your help. > Judy > > > > Judy, the stuff New Directions sells as Vanilla ess. oil is actually just a more oncentrated version of the vanilla essence you buy in the shops. It is alcohol based which is why it won't blend with oil. I bought some a while ago and was rather annoyed.... Ambrosia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 --- Ambrosia <ambrosia6@...> wrote: > > Judy, the stuff New Directions sells as Vanilla ess. > oil is actually > just a more oncentrated version of the vanilla > essence you buy in the > shops. It is alcohol based which is why it won't > blend with oil. > I bought some a while ago and was rather annoyed.... > > Ambrosia Hello, I also bought this same vanilla 10 fold oil from New Directions and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. All of my blends were separating with dark blobs of oil. I finally stopped using this vanilla oil--but it was quite the " confidence crusher " for a first time perfume blender. Thank you for sharing your experience with this product. It's good to know I'm not the only one who had this issue. What would be a good use for this vanilla essence? Any recommendations? Charna ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 > I also bought this same vanilla 10 fold oil from New > Directions and couldn't figure out what I was doing > wrong. All of my blends were separating with dark > blobs of oil. I finally stopped using this vanilla > oil--but it was quite the " confidence crusher " for a > first time perfume blender. Thank you for sharing > your experience with this product. It's good to know > I'm not the only one who had this issue. > > What would be a good use for this vanilla essence? > Any recommendations? > > Charna Hi Charna, Yeah I got some of this 10 fold garbage from a seller on Ebay a few months ago and had the same problems with it gooing up in my beakers. I should have known better given the price as compared to Vanilla Abs. So as not to be a complete waste I thought I would try extracting it with about 2 to 3 times it's weight in 190 alcohol and then filtering it and evaporating the alcohol. That should give something usable and I have the vacuum equipment to do it correctly. However, I noticed also that it has an off smell to it almost as if it has been burnt some how. Not pretty stuff at all. I was working today actually with Vanilla Abs and the scent was so strong and beautiful I could smell it 18 inches away from the closed bottle. If I have any success with my salvage experiment I will post the results to the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 > I am new to this group and I am curious about mixing Jojoba oil with > Vanilla Essential Oil. I want to try using the Vanilla for it's sent > and as a fixative for perfumes. Everything I have tried has failed. > > Thank you in advance. > > Judy Hi Judy, What is commonly sold as Vanilla " Oil " is actually vanilla extract in a glycerin base. Glycerin has water in it so it won't combine with oil. Last year, I talked at length to a vanilla producer who was intrigued by my problems blending vanilla. He thought he could produce an actual oil based vanilla and promised to start work on it right away. I never heard from him again and he didn't return my calls. So, that said, the only way you can create a vanilla " oil infusion " if you will, is to dissolve (which actually breaks the vanilla into tiny particles) the vanilla abs in a small amount of perfumer's alchohol, about a 2/1 with the 2 being the alchohol. Then, you pour that into your oil (we use jojoba) the amount of oil depends on the strength you want. Then you heat it to between 180 and 190 degrees depending upon altitude. This boils off the alchohol. This can take anywhere from 5 - 10 minutes, again depending upon how much alchohol you use. When the alchohol is gone, remove and cool your oil mixture. Bottle it up and you're good to go! You can do this with any resin, concrete or absolute. I learned how from a retired Weleda chemist. We primarily do it with Arnica to get a higher concentration into our products than an infused oil will allow. A note of caution: BE CAREFUL!!! If you use a gas stove, the mixture can flare up as alchohol is extremely flammable. You need a cover for the pot and good ventilation. We use a tall graduated beaker with a cover nearby and an electrical coil burner beacause the first time we did it, my sweetie singed his already short hair! The beaker also lets you keep track of the measurements and note when your alchohol has boiled completely off. If you use a pot, you'll have to keep track of when the boiling stops which will mean there is no more alchohol. You can also see the separation. Another note: As this is an imperfect science, there will be sediment at the bottom of your jar or bottle. I use clear glass because of this. I can watch out for the sediment as I draw oil into my pipette. I wouldn't be able to see it in a blue or amber bottle or jar. Hope this helps! Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 " So as not to be a complete waste I thought I would try extracting it > with about 2 to 3 times it's weight in 190 alcohol and then filtering > it and evaporating the alcohol. That should give something usable and > I have the vacuum equipment to do it correctly... " > Hi , I just read your post and I don't believe you will be able to salvage the vanilla that way as there is most likely too much water and/or glycerin in it. I will tell you what though - that stuff (yes, I bought some too, of practically everything on the vanilla market at one time or another) is awesome in brownies and other chocolate confections that don't need a purer " cleaner " vanilla flavor. That's where all my experimental vanilla purchases go - LOL. It's a good thing I bake almost constantly ;-)) Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 > What is commonly sold as Vanilla " Oil " is actually vanilla extract in a > glycerin base. > So, that said, the only way you can create a vanilla " oil infusion " if > you will, is to dissolve (which actually breaks the vanilla into tiny > particles) the vanilla abs in a small amount of perfumer's alchohol, > about a 2/1 with the 2 being the alchohol. Then, you pour that into > your oil (we use jojoba) the amount of oil depends on the strength you > want. Then you heat it to between 180 and 190 degrees depending upon > altitude. This boils off the alchohol. This can take anywhere from 5 - > 10 minutes, again depending upon how much alchohol you use. When the > alchohol is gone, remove and cool your oil mixture. Bottle it up and > you're good to go! > Hi and all, Thanks for your nice description of how to " move " an aromatic material from an alcohol base to a fixed oil base! A little more about Vanilla for those having difficulties with it... There are a whole variety of ways to extract the essence from Vanilla and most of them are not suited to fixed oil based perfumery work. Most of the Vanilla is extracted for the food industry and not for fragrance. The overall best type of Vanilla extracts that we have used for fixed oil base blending are the Vanilla CO2 Total Extracts. They also will vary in solubility depending on the starting material used, who made them, etc., but overall they dissolve quite well in fixed oils. Usually there is a small portion of the Vanilla CO2 Extract that doesn't dissolve and drops to the bottom of the liquid and is easily filtered out. The aroma is also wonderful! Happy Blending! Will Eden Botanicals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 > > > I would like to thank each of you for all the information. This is outstanding. I am beginning to believe the large companies must be using sythetic vanilla. There are so many recipes that use vanilla and my husband loves the scent. We are going to play with some of your idea's, if we come up with anything that works, I will let you know. Last night we tried the straight vanilla eo in a solid perfume. My goodnes it stunk. But this morning it smells very nice though it is brown. It mixed very well. This is not what I was after so I will continue to play. Thanks again you are all wonderful! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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