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On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Janita wrote:

> Incense making is a wonderful art and soul inspiring..... there are

> a few here in the group who have really gone into depth with

> this ..... I hope they will pop their heads up and say hello...

I've got makko recipes that are working well. I like makko because

it adds no scent of its own. Pine and cedar and other woods all have

a scent when burned, a scent which tends to dominate to my nose. I've

heard talk of laha and dar, but I've got makko working for me, so

unless I hear there are more eco-friendly options, I'm sticking with it.

My trouble is I want to make cones (not sticks) and hand rolling

cones is becoming a pain. I tried once to make a cone mold as Carl

Neal explains in his book Incense; it didn't work very well. I will

try again, but I've been racking my brain to see if I might be able

to conceive of a more workable cone mold. My father, an architect,

has been contemplating this matter too (he has a vested interest as

he likes my whole-herb incense); neither one of us has some up with

anything better than Neal's method. With that method, the make-or-

break step is cutting the slit down the side of the finished mold.

It's much easier said than done, to get a clean and steady cut. Any

tips?

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Adam Gottschalk <adam@...> wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:25

PM, Janita wrote:

> Incense making is a wonderful art and soul inspiring.....

I've got makko recipes that are working well. I like makko because

it adds no scent of its own. Pine and cedar and other woods all have

a scent when burned, a scent which tends to dominate to my nose. I've

heard talk of laha and dar, but I've got makko working for me, so

unless I hear there are more eco-friendly options, I'm sticking with it.

>> so Adam is this the Makko Powder that you use? So do you add other incense

materials with this? From what I understand you combine with other powders and

make into a paste then form, then dry for 24 hours?

My trouble is I want to make cones (not sticks) and hand rolling

cones is becoming a pain. I tried once to make a cone mold as Carl

Neal explains in his book Incense; it didn't work very well. I will

try again, but I've been racking my brain to see if I might be able

to conceive of a more workable cone mold.

>>>> From what I understand you combine Makko with other powders and make into

a paste then form. Does it crumble then? I am particularly fascinated by

the incense shaped in a coil... apparently they can burn for an extended

period... from hours to days. They seem to hang down from the ceilings of

temples etc.

My father, an architect,

has been contemplating this matter too (he has a vested interest as

he likes my whole-herb incense); neither one of us has some up with

anything better than Neal's method. With that method, the make-or-

break step is cutting the slit down the side of the finished mold.

It's much easier said than done, to get a clean and steady cut. Any

tips?

>>>> are you making small cones? Would it be any easier to do if you made the

cone slightly larger? Just a thought or paste wetter? You may have already

tried this ... I am interested about your experience in making these cones...

has anyone else tried? That could give Adam some info that they might have

found? Slowly dried seems to pop up.

Some of the wet type Kyphi has smoke issues from ingredients.....

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

Flowers of Myddfai project http://www.tiny.cc/flowers817

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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Adam Gottschalk wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:25 PM,

With that method, the make-or-

break step is cutting the slit down the side of the finished mold.

It's much easier said than done, to get a clean and steady cut. Any

tips?

Adam

>>My only thought is have you tried it when wet before drying? when Dry?

Does that make any difference? what happens? What type of instrument do you

use to cut?

janita

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> My trouble is I want to make cones (not sticks) and hand rolling

> cones is becoming a pain. I tried once to make a cone mold as Carl

> Neal explains in his book Incense; it didn't work very well. I will

> try again, but I've been racking my brain to see if I might be able

> to conceive of a more workable cone mold. My father, an architect,

> has been contemplating this matter too (he has a vested interest as

> he likes my whole-herb incense); neither one of us has some up with

> anything better than Neal's method. With that method, the make-or-

> break step is cutting the slit down the side of the finished mold.

> It's much easier said than done, to get a clean and steady cut. Any

> tips?

>

Adam,

I've started to make incense with makko too. The first time I tried to

make incense, I had the idea to made paper molds by rolling parchment

paper into cones (sort of like a pastry cone) and then cutting them

down small and stuffing the incense dough into the tip. However, when

I blended the incense, the texture was manageable for me to form into

cones with my fingers, so I didn't attempt to use the parchment molds,

so I don't even know if that method would work ...

-Jen

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>>>> are you making small cones? Would it be any easier to do if you

made the cone slightly larger? Just a thought or paste wetter? You

may have already tried this ... I am interested about your experience

in making these cones... has anyone else tried? That could give Adam

some info that they might have found? Slowly dried seems to pop up.

Hi Adam and ita ,

I make incense with Makko and Laha in a slightly different form from

cones or sticks, it is a flattened triangle. Picture a cone sliced

vertically in a thin layer. I use a hand press that flattens the

dough and then I hand cut the pieces. This enables me to produce

large batches uniformly and they burn really well. It is a rather

lengthy process to describe here. Creating incense with these binders

is much like natural perfume in that it is very tricky to get a fine

well balanced blend.....that burns. You will find many recipes but

must try them for yourself as ingredients vary. Too much resin and it

will not burn, too little and its like there is no " base note " , some

herbs burn aromatically well and some not, too much water and it

curls. I use a basic ratio of 2 parts makko (or laha), 4 parts

aromatics (spices , precious woods, herbs) and 1 part resin with EO

to taste. But you still need to get a feel for it, to know when the

consistency of the dough is just right.

We all are searching for the perfect way to create cones and sticks

without investing in a hydrolic press. I have tried all types of two

piece molds (from hardwood to plexiglas) but the nature of the

material is that is usually sticks.

Let us know if you come up with something!

Katlyn

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Katlyn Breene <mermade@...> wrote:

Hi Adam and ita ,

I make incense with Makko and Laha in a slightly different form from

cones or sticks, it is a flattened triangle. Picture a cone sliced

vertically in a thin layer. I use a hand press that flattens the

dough and then I hand cut the pieces. This enables me to produce

large batches uniformly and they burn really well. It is a rather

lengthy process to describe here. Creating incense with these binders

is much like natural perfume in that it is very tricky to get a fine

well balanced blend.....that burns. You will find many recipes but

must try them for yourself as ingredients vary.

Too much resin and it

will not burn, too little and its like there is no " base note " , some

herbs burn aromatically well and some not, too much water and it

curls. I use a basic ratio of 2 parts makko (or laha), 4 parts

aromatics (spices , precious woods, herbs) and 1 part resin with EO

to taste. But you still need to get a feel for it, to know when the

consistency of the dough is just right.

Let us know if you come up with something!

Katlyn

Katlyn

Fabulous!

This is helpful and wonderful information that you have just imparted. Would

it be possible, please if you could upload it to the files? If you have

diifficulty one of the mods will help you. I'm not very good at stuff like that

and usually have to enlist the help of DH for that process lol altho I am

learning.

Do you have photos of the process. That would be awesome.!...they could go

into the photos section too ... if you have a mind too?

You have obviously found a way that suits and you have also worked through

some of the various aromatic problems that can occur and also not having to use

a machine to create your shapes. This sort of information is so helpful to the

group here if anyone wanted to have a go...

Fascinating reading . Thanks so much for sharing with Adam m'self and the

others..... Katlyn, much appreciated.

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

Flowers of Myddfai project http://www.tiny.cc/flowers817

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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> Katlyn Breene <mermade@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Adam and ita ,

>

> I make incense with Makko and Laha in a slightly different form from

> cones or sticks, it is a flattened triangle. Picture a cone sliced

> vertically in a thin layer. I use a hand press that flattens the

> dough and then I hand cut the pieces. This enables me to produce

> large batches uniformly and they burn really well. It is a rather

> lengthy process to describe here. Creating incense with these binders

> is much like natural perfume in that it is very tricky to get a fine

> well balanced blend.....that burns. You will find many recipes but

> must try them for yourself as ingredients vary.

Hi Katlyn. Please explain your cone process more. If the shape is like

a slice of a cone, how does it stand up?

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>Hi Katlyn. Please explain your cone process more. If the shape is like

a slice of a cone, how does it stand up? "

Hi Adam,

You have sand or ash in the censer and place one point into in. I'll

send you picture off list.

Katlyn

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Hi ita and all,

I have posted pictures of my workshop (incense and NP) and tools to

the list. The incense press is a modified tortilla maker! The

" perfume bar " is my makeshift organ in a converted bar . The fan

booth is real necessity for making alot incense, the grinding of

resins ,woods, herbs and spices can create alot of dust which one

does not want to breath in everyday. This area was created for me by

Stadler (who also makes the great distiller shown) who wanted me

to stay healthy. It pulls the dust (and the fragrance) out of the

booth with a strong suction fan. This allows me to work longer, too

much aromatherapy can be a bad thing.

Also posted pics of the " Triangle " incense I make for Mermade, you

can see the ways it can be burned.

I have never uploaded a word file before, what do you recommend I

post there? I'll see what I can do. A good place to start for

learning about hand-rolled and natural incense is Carl Neal's book

" Incense: Crafting & Use of Magickal Scents " , there is a section on

laha and makko.

This incense form is a very satisfying art and uses the perfumers

skills to a different effect.

Katlyn

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Katlyn Breene <mermade@...> wrote: Hi ita and all,

I have posted pictures of my workshop (incense and NP) and tools to

the list. The incense press is a modified tortilla maker! The

Katlyn

These photos are just magical!!! Everyone do take a moment and click on the

new photos... there are absolutlely faboo photos of Katlyns place... I love the

picture of the distiller in the window with your garden in the background.

The press for your incense is extraordinary and the place for fanning out dust

.... wonderful...

Amazing and wonderful.... Thanks for sharing Katlyn. and alchemical room of

wonder.

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

Flowers of Myddfai project http://www.tiny.cc/flowers817

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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Janita,

(sorry for the mispelling in last post!)

Thanks for the kind comments, happy to be apart this fragrant

company. I will let you know when Mermade re-opens.

Write me off list and I'll send you some samples.

Glad to share what I know about incense.

If anyone would like to be on my new mailing list just drop me a line.

mermade@...

blessings,

Katlyn

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