Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 I would think this would be possible but would diminish quickly with time. Bob Foulkes Re: Phthalates This might be a very stupid question, but could the phthalates migrate from pvc molds used in making soap, into the soap itself? Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Thanks Bob, and the others who answered this question. Bob, what kind of time frame would this happen in? Thanks so much for your help everyone. Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Bob, Why do you think phthalate leaching would diminish quickly? I think this is one of 'those' things there just isn't enough info on yet. But I wonder if 'they' that do the tests will doing it from the basis of people already having phthalates in their bodies, or, as the article says, from the erroneous position that people are free from them. The more people ask questions and get the word out, hopefully, the more pressure put on the fda [or whomever] and get something done about this. Janine Phariss, Herbalist, CMT Fade scars, Relieve Pain, Heal Eczema! http://www.BlueSageNaturals.com WwWw, R & D, Retail/Wholesale I would think this would be possible but would diminish quickly with time. Bob Foulkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Talking about soapmakers' symptons, can anyone help me with mine? Both my wrists are swollen up as well as my fingers. When I lick the corners of my mouth, I taste pure acid. I have extreme pain (too much exercise sort of pain) in my joints up to my elbows. My son maintains that I have been negligent in not wearing my gloves when working with caustic soda. Could this be? Louise Re: Phthalates <<It is toxicity we should be concerned about, not simply measurable accumulation.>> ------------------------------------------------ And WHO would be most likely to have these symptoms but those of us who handle these materials " more than the average bear " ? As with many toxins....how much it takes per individual person to be classified " toxic " or unsafe, may vary widely. Those of us who handle & breathe these materials on a daily basis may be the first to show defineable toxic levels that change laws, IF we happen to be the types who exhibit symptoms; not everyone does or at the same rate. I DO find it odd, even though I'm not a scientist who can prove anything to you, that the numbers of soapmakers I know has grown to three, who nearly as soon as they divorced themselves from making, storing and having anything to do with fragrances, found that their low-level, flu-like symtoms and general malaise seemed to strangely disappear and they feel " like their old self " once again. However if as you suggest, these phthalate toxins are " stored " , I guess that would supposedly negate their effects as the culprit of these soapmakers' symptoms (???).... ~Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 it is not stupid at all,phthalates are known to exhibit the migration rgds smg Re: Phthalates > This might be a very stupid question, but could the phthalates migrate from pvc molds used in making soap, into the soap itself? > > Leanna in Alberta. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Leanna. There is no such thing as a stupid question. However, I do no know the answer. Re: Phthalates This might be a very stupid question, but could the phthalates migrate from pvc molds used in making soap, into the soap itself? Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 In a message dated 2/21/03 5:59:14 PM Alaskan Standard Time, bobfoulkes@... writes: > Do you know which of the commonly used surfactants will do this? What about water? I was drinking my bottled water last night, feeling virtuous and healthy because I was drinking water instead of diet soda, when I realized I was drinking it out of a soft-ish plastic bottle. Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Phthalates are quite soluble in both oils as well as in the polymers used to make bottles etc out of. When you put an oil or a solvent in contact with the plastic, e.g. as in a plastic bottle situation the oil will dissolve phthalates from the inside surface of the bottle. Over time most of the phthalate close to the surface will have been leached out and the extraction rate will slow down. I remember reading once that cling film should not be put in direct contact with oily foods for that reason. Some surfactants will also attack some plastic bottles. I believe that one of the reasons for this is that the phthalate plasticizers get leached out, leaving the plastic brittle and increasingly subject to stress cracking. Bob Foulkes RE: Phthalates Bob, Why do you think phthalate leaching would diminish quickly? I think this is one of 'those' things there just isn't enough info on yet. But I wonder if 'they' that do the tests will doing it from the basis of people already having phthalates in their bodies, or, as the article says, from the erroneous position that people are free from them. The more people ask questions and get the word out, hopefully, the more pressure put on the fda [or whomever] and get something done about this. Janine Phariss, Herbalist, CMT Fade scars, Relieve Pain, Heal Eczema! http://www.BlueSageNaturals.com WwWw, R & D, Retail/Wholesale I would think this would be possible but would diminish quickly with time. Bob Foulkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Sage, I was just this minute thinking the same thing! And what about the water that I buy for the water cooler? It's in big plastic containers! Leanna in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 No sorry, I don't, but all surfactants function by picking up oil soluble materials like greases etc. Phthalates would look like greases to them. Again don't be unnecessarily alarmed, the point is not just whether phthalates can be picked up but how much is actually picked up and whether this is deleterious to your health over a lifetime. Big difference! Bob Foulkes Re: Phthalates In a message dated 2/21/03 5:59:14 PM Alaskan Standard Time, bobfoulkes@... writes: > Do you know which of the commonly used surfactants will do this? What about water? I was drinking my bottled water last night, feeling virtuous and healthy because I was drinking water instead of diet soda, when I realized I was drinking it out of a soft-ish plastic bottle. Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hi all, Just saw a PBS program about a group of harmful chemicals called phthalates. They are in commercial perfumes as a fixative. Another reason to use naturals. Kathy Coryell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 > Kathy, Greenpeace released a report on phthalates and synthetic musks several years ago. Click on the link for the PDF here: > http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/reports4/perfume-an- investigation-of > > Anya, thank you, wow. I have a few books by people involved in the major perfume industry in defence of synthetics. They say they are safe. Can't believe everything you read. I'm sure I will learn more as time goes on. Thanks, Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 They are not in perfumes as a fixative. They are in perfumes as adjuvent, to make it easier to handle strong materials, and as a solvent / diluent. Most phthalates (if not ALL) in perfumes, have been removed and replaced with DPG, TEC, BB or BA, whenever possible. I say possible, as not all products are " clearly " soluble in all the above mentioned. Phthalates may be found in fine perfumes using SDA39C, as 40B is more bitter and found in cheaper or masculine fragrances, DEP is the mandated denaturant in 39C, which is the least objectionable from an olfactory aspect. 39C is a US issue. Denaturant is a regulatory issue defined by each country. Due diligence is welcome. -= CB =- ----- greengrasse <greengrasse@...> wrote: > Hi all, Just saw a PBS program about a group of harmful chemicals > called phthalates. They are in commercial perfumes as a fixative. > Another reason to use naturals. Kathy Coryell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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