Re: warrior diet update and questions

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In a message dated 9/14/03 5:19:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> One of the science magazines did an article on cocaine and basically

> said there are no bad health effects from chewing the leaves. The

> point being with the " drug wars " they are trying to ban all coca.

> I think we are basically in agreement ... stimulants have been around

> forever. Though I think in general your average Aborigine would

> not stay up all night then depend on coca to stay up all day

> so he wouldn't get fired.

Well it takes an entire field of coca to make a tiny amount of cocaine, say a

kilogram. So I very much doubt snorting cocaine is any less healthful than

snorting isolated caffeine. And I very much doubt chewing on coca or making

coca tea is any more harmful than drinking black tea or coffee.

The problem with the drug war is the whole thing from start to finish, and

the fact that the American government has no business telling someone else in

some other country what to grow, especially since American subsidization of its

own agribusiness and promotion of pseudo-free trade are the reasons coca is

the only stable cash crop they can grow in the first place, and the fact that

when America flies over these helpless people with its military jets dumping

herbicides on these folks they are killing all the other farmers as well, and

coca production is only increasing, the only difference that they have to cut

deeper into and destroy more of the Columbian rainforest in order escape the

American military.

Chris

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In a message dated 9/14/03 5:20:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

>

> OK, well, then I don't know. My copy of the WD is out! Anyway, I'm eating

> fresh fruit during the day. Probably low sugar fruits are better, or

> vegies. Bananas seem to work for me though, and starches such as cookies

> or crackers do NOT work. So I'll go for the empirical method on

> that one.

Bananas are high in enzymes, and if they're well-ripened, they're mostly

monosacharides. That doesn't mean they won't raise insulin, but it does mean

they'll be enormously easier to digest than cookies and crackers.

> His explanation of *why* all this works is more philosophical than based

> on studies etc, and he relies on instinct a lot (he says " light protein "

> above,

> but he eats half a chicken on occasion).

>

Plus how do you define " light " ? Eggs are mostly fat, so they certainly

aren't " lean " protein. I guess they're light-*colored*. Maybe that's what he

means :-)

Chris

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>We are trying to increase carbs. I suspect his

>problem is stress. While he doesn't feel stressed at

>all, I suspect he is just used to living with it, as

>he certainly has a number of symptoms as laid down by

>Schwarzbein in TSP2. He is just eating a few carby

>things each meal time. He can't be doing with

>counting every gram that passes his liips - it seems

>he would rahter be fat than become obsessed with

>dieting. And i can appreciate that, as i have become

>obsessed and there are times I am miserable becasuse

>of it.

>

>Jo

I think high cortisol levels are probably the root

of a lot of problems. Cortisol keeps a person from

using the fat stores AND from building muscle.

And it tends to make a person anxious (and maybe

obsessive). Fat around the neck, upper back,

and middle are signs of excess cortisol (Is that in

TSP2? How does she recommend fighting it?).

The things I know of that are antagonistic to

cortisol are insulin and adrenalin. Which is why

eating something sugary makes people feel better

when they are stressed. Exercise can cause adrenalin,

which does the same. Lack of sleep and allergies

cause high cortisol levels.

Anyway, the WD seems to help on the cortisol

front, at least it is for me, tho Ori doesn't go

into how it works that much.

-- Heidi

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>Recent to whom? Maybe recent to Arabians, but Ethiopians were drinking

>coffee a loooooong time ago. According to Diamond, the date is up for

grabs,

>and no one's really sure whether they were domesticating plants before or

>after the arrival of Southwest Asian plants. But in any case it was thousands

of

>years ago.

OK, I was thinking of Europeans (Eurocentric little me!). The first major

coffee importation was in the 1600's or something like that, if you could

afford it.

>Like you said, stimulants seem universal. Ethiopia's got the coffee, West

>Africa's got kola nuts, Asia has green and black tea, Americas have coca,

>tobacco, etc, all of which were used by traditional cultures.

>

>One of the groups Price studied, and I think it was the Aborigines but don't

>remember for sure, chewed on coca all day long to suppress appetite and

>maintain energy while fasting and hiking etc. Whoever it was I believe it was

the

>same folks who ate clay to prevent queasy stomachs. If it was the Austrailian

>Aborigines, iirc they were paragons of health.

>

>Chris

One of the science magazines did an article on cocaine and basically

said there are no bad health effects from chewing the leaves. The

point being with the " drug wars " they are trying to ban all coca.

I think we are basically in agreement ... stimulants have been around

forever. Though I think in general your average Aborigine would

not stay up all night then depend on coca to stay up all day

so he wouldn't get fired.

-- Heidi

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>Heidi,

>

>This is simply not true. Fructose unquestionably raises insulin levels,

>which is why, like you say, diabetics need insulin for fruit!

>

>Fructose produces maybe 30% less insulin, but the idea that you can eat a

>whole banana on an empty stomach and not produce significant insulin in

response

>to it isn't much more than wishful thinking.

>

>Chris

OK, well, then I don't know. My copy of the WD is out! Anyway, I'm eating

fresh fruit during the day. Probably low sugar fruits are better, or

vegies. Bananas seem to work for me though, and starches such as cookies

or crackers do NOT work. So I'll go for the empirical method on

that one.

Here is what Ori says on his website:

Q: What is undereating?

A: Minimize eating during the day to mostly raw fruits and veggies. Coffee, tea,

soups and light protein such as poached eggs or yogurt are ok too.

Q: What is overeating?

A: Eat as much as you want from all food groups. Start with veggies, protein and

fat. If still hungry, finish your meal with carbohydrates.

His explanation of *why* all this works is more philosophical than based

on studies etc, and he relies on instinct a lot (he says " light protein " above,

but he eats half a chicken on occasion).

-- Heidi

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--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote: >

> Fat around the neck, upper back,

> and middle are signs of excess cortisol (Is that in

> TSP2? How does she recommend fighting it?).

>

From memory, those aren't symptoms. However, Ju does

have them. I have fat in the upperback and middle,

not neck.

Jo

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>>>>I think we are basically in agreement ... stimulants have been around

forever.

----->i talked to a guy a few months ago who's a former biochemist and a

reiki master. i talked to him about the issue of caffeine being " bad " for

you. his belief is that it all depends on your ancestry, and that folks who

descended from " surface drinkers " shouldn't have negative effects from

caffeine. the reason being that many plant compounds (saponins and whatnot,

including stimulants, i guess) float on the surface of lakes and such. so

these folks would've regularly consumed stimulants.

ok, it may sound a bit weird, but he's very knowledgeable about some ancient

culture in japan, and may have gotten this idea from them. i don't know, but

it was an interesting thought! LOL

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Re: warrior diet update and questions

>Recent to whom? Maybe recent to Arabians, but Ethiopians were drinking

>coffee a loooooong time ago. According to Diamond, the date is up

for grabs,

>and no one's really sure whether they were domesticating plants before or

>after the arrival of Southwest Asian plants. But in any case it was

thousands of

>years ago.

OK, I was thinking of Europeans (Eurocentric little me!). The first major

coffee importation was in the 1600's or something like that, if you could

afford it.

>Like you said, stimulants seem universal. Ethiopia's got the coffee, West

>Africa's got kola nuts, Asia has green and black tea, Americas have coca,

>tobacco, etc, all of which were used by traditional cultures.

>

>One of the groups Price studied, and I think it was the Aborigines but

don't

>remember for sure, chewed on coca all day long to suppress appetite and

>maintain energy while fasting and hiking etc. Whoever it was I believe it

was the

>same folks who ate clay to prevent queasy stomachs. If it was the

Austrailian

>Aborigines, iirc they were paragons of health.

>

>Chris

One of the science magazines did an article on cocaine and basically

said there are no bad health effects from chewing the leaves. The

point being with the " drug wars " they are trying to ban all coca.

I think we are basically in agreement ... stimulants have been around

forever. Though I think in general your average Aborigine would

not stay up all night then depend on coca to stay up all day

so he wouldn't get fired.

-- Heidi

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:03:40 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>------>coffee releases fat stores? really? is it the *caffeine* or some

>other component of coffee?

>

Heidi,

Now why did you have to go and tell Suze that???????

LOL!

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>--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

>wrote: >

>> Fat around the neck, upper back,

>> and middle are signs of excess cortisol (Is that in

>> TSP2? How does she recommend fighting it?).

>>

>

>>From memory, those aren't symptoms. However, Ju does

>have them. I have fat in the upperback and middle,

>not neck.

>

>Jo

A lot of people get a bit too much cortisol, but some people

have huge amounts of it due to tumors or steroids ...

those people have " Cushing's syndrome " and they always

have the same fat pattern (plus some other interesting

symptoms). But the people with a bit too much tend

to get a similar fat pattern. Cortisol and insulin are

related, so people with high cortisol might have insulin

resistance too. Anyway, here is picture of what I

mean:

http://cushings.homestead.com/Photos.html

-- Heidi

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>Plus how do you define " light " ? Eggs are mostly fat, so they certainly

>aren't " lean " protein. I guess they're light-*colored*. Maybe that's what he

>means :-)

>

>Chris

It's a right brain thing ...

-- Heidi

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--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote: >

> >Jo

>

> those people have " Cushing's syndrome " and they

> always

> have the same fat pattern (plus some other

> interesting

> symptoms).

<snip> Anyway, here is picture of what I

> mean:

>

> http://cushings.homestead.com/Photos.html

Oh boy, now I am REALLY worried! I thought n

just had stretch marks due to being so big, but he has

an awful lot of them and they look very similar to

those pictures. I'm not sure what the problem with

the " moon face " photo was - just looked like a fat

bloke with a double chin to me.

Ju has never been on steroids, and to the best of our

knowledge he has no tumours. Hopefully tumours aren't

the cause of his condition. That would scare me

considerably.

I will research this further - thanks for your info,

Jo

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>>

<http://cushings.homestead.com/Photos.html>http://cushings.homestead.com/Photos.\

html

>

>Oh boy, now I am REALLY worried! I thought n

>just had stretch marks due to being so big, but he has

>an awful lot of them and they look very similar to

>those pictures. I'm not sure what the problem with

>the " moon face " photo was - just looked like a fat

>bloke with a double chin to me.

Well, I think a lot of people with really stubborn

obesity problems DO have cortisol problems. The

good news is, certain foods, exercise, herbs, and some

drugs block cortisol. Or some people need

surgery. But his doctor SHOULD be checking

for problems in that area, if s/he hasn't already.

The WD approach seems to help with cortisol

too ... the weight I've lost is mainly in the

upper back and tummy area, and I'm gaining

muscle strength much easier than in the past.

I also got on Atenolol (cortisol blocker) when

I was pregnant and it makes a huge difference

in one's mood, I think.

-- Heidi

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--- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>

wrote: >

>

> Well, I think a lot of people with really stubborn

> obesity problems DO have cortisol problems. The

> good news is, certain foods, exercise, herbs, and

> some

> drugs block cortisol. Or some people need

> surgery. But his doctor SHOULD be checking

> for problems in that area, if s/he hasn't already.

Any advice on what foods and herbs? I'm still trying

to get him walking a few times a week, but it's not

working.

Looking into Cushings Last night on the internet, I

also show some symptoms of it.

He hasn't seen a doctor since he was about 12 years

old. He's never needed to! He's just got over a cold

which is his first cold in probably a decade.

Amazingly, I didn't catch it and I usually get several

per year, plus flu, plus hayfever. He got his cold at

the same time as I started using the neti pot - I

suspect my good health is pretty much down to that!

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>Any advice on what foods and herbs? I'm still trying

>to get him walking a few times a week, but it's not

>working.

You might want to read the book ... it is too complicated

for one email!

>He hasn't seen a doctor since he was about 12 years

>old. He's never needed to! He's just got over a cold

>which is his first cold in probably a decade.

>Amazingly, I didn't catch it and I usually get several

>per year, plus flu, plus hayfever. He got his cold at

>the same time as I started using the neti pot - I

>suspect my good health is pretty much down to that!

Congrats for both of you that your immune

system is doing well! I think being 200 lbs overweight

is a reason to see a doctor though ... or a naturopath ..

but at any rate get some tests for things like thyroid

and cortisol. A lot of people do need supplements

and things you can't get over the counter to get

back to a reasonable weight. One person on this

list was saying she needed adrenal supplements

to feel healthy again, and I know someone who lost

a lot of weight under the guidance of a Chinese

herbalist.

I've always felt there is an " ideal diet " where if we

all ate it, we'd all be fine and not have to deal with

weight issues OR restrict food too much (other

than restrict the KINDS of food) but once your

system is messed up it is harder to get back on

an even keel. Finding a good doctor is another

challenge!

-- Heidi

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:29:49 EDT

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

>In a message dated 9/14/03 5:19:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>heidis@... writes:

>

>> One of the science magazines did an article on cocaine and basically

>> said there are no bad health effects from chewing the leaves. The

>> point being with the " drug wars " they are trying to ban all coca.

>> I think we are basically in agreement ... stimulants have been around

>> forever. Though I think in general your average Aborigine would

>> not stay up all night then depend on coca to stay up all day

>> so he wouldn't get fired.

<snip>

>The problem with the drug war is the whole thing from start to finish, and

>the fact that the American government has no business telling someone else in

>some other country what to grow,

Even worse, the idea that something we have or put in our bloodsteam is

criminal, rather than some harm we did against another person or

property, is ludicrous.

Of course this is the same gov't that wants to protect us from raw milk.

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