Sweet Grass and smoke

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Uva Ursi is another component that is in traditional smoke blend, it

is also a lovely mellow incense plant.

Why do you think there be not sweet grass oil? I have had what I

believed to SG. EO in the past.

Katlyn

Katlyn Breene

Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984)

katmermade@...

http://www.mermadearts.com/

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Yeah I did too and a bunch of pro's told me to include some native americans

there is no authentic sweet grass eo, its an fo , more of a vanilla with a hay

blend.

I just got ripped off on some braids, generally one good braid will scent up my

living room, I got three and its just tall grass.......not a happy camper here.

I would imagine its a delicate scent to begin with. To get that with any 'oomph'

to it would take a lot of sweet grass or at least years of concentration and

expensive.....sure is picky to grow. I did have some but had to baby those. I

might try to do the plugs again, its the most enchanting thing to wave your hand

over sweet grass growing and green and then that wafting of the scent is just

all around you. I bet heliotrope might work, not sure, it has a vanillin content

but I've never smelled the eo.

e

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Hi Anya,

There is no Sweetgrass EO straight from the distiller's mouth, but there is

a lovely hydrosol. I will be carrying this in the next few weeks if anyone

is interested in further information.

Stype

Arlys Naturals

_www.arlysnaturals.com_ (http://www.arlysnaturals.com)

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Breene Katlyn wrote:

> Uva Ursi is another component that is in traditional smoke blend, it

> is also a lovely mellow incense plant.

> Why do you think there be not sweet grass oil? I have had what I

> believed to SG. EO in the past.

> Katlyn

>

Hi Katlyn

This has been discussed before, it's in the archives. Many of us who

have been in the business for decades have never found it. We've

searched. Someone wrote that the sweetgrass just doesn't give up its oil

#1, and #2, if it did, the processor would probably be a native

American, and since nobody ever found such a source, we just don't

belief it exists. We've found lots of FO's, but no EO's.

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Selkie wrote:

> Yeah I did too and a bunch of pro's told me to include some native americans

there is no authentic sweet grass eo, its an fo , more of a vanilla with a hay

blend.

>

> I just got ripped off on some braids, generally one good braid will scent up

my living room, I got three and its just tall grass.......not a happy camper

here. I would imagine its a delicate scent to begin with. To get that with any

'oomph' to it would take a lot of sweet grass or at least years of concentration

and expensive.....sure is picky to grow. I did have some but had to baby those.

I might try to do the plugs again, its the most enchanting thing to wave your

hand over sweet grass growing and green and then that wafting of the scent is

just all around you. I bet heliotrope might work, not sure, it has a vanillin

content but I've never smelled the eo.

>

> e

Evie, not sure where you live, but sweet woodruff is a great sweet grass

doppelganger (wave to Angi who now knows what that means ;-)

It's also great for flavoring white wine and other culinary uses. Wonder

why nobody makes an EO or abs of it.

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if it has scent I'm in. Love it immensely.

e

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> Evie, not sure where you live, but sweet woodruff is a great sweet

> grass doppelganger (wave to Angi who now knows what that means ;-)

> It's also great for flavoring white wine and other culinary uses.

> Wonder why nobody makes an EO or abs of it.

I've been wondering if this would do the trick too... I had a TON of

Sweet Woodruff; this year it was finally growing rampant and it was

just about ready for harvest. Then DH decided to " weed " the flower

bed. He ripped all the Sweet Woodruff out by the roots. He thought

it was cleavers. Anyway, I tried to replant as much of the roots as I

could, but to no success. So now I have a bunch of it in tincture,

just so I can get some good out of the carnage. Hopefully, it will be

as lovely as sweet grass and I can get that effect in some blends...

And if I ever get a nice full bed of it again, I can see what it does

in the still... Thanks again for the tip, Anya!

Cheers!

Andrine

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" Native Scents " used to make SG EO, they only work with native sacred

botanicals. For a few years they were making good EOs and Hydrosols

of white sage, desert sage, and sweet grass, but last year I ordered

some SG and it was an FO. I was really disappointed.

I have great sources for carefully wildcrafted and cultivated SG

for incense and braids if anyone is interested, Most notably " Journey

Scent " (for the best native plant material)

http://www.journeyscent.com/

Mermade also has an incense called " Sweet Offering " which contains the

following powdered :

Sweet grass

Desert sage

Grand fir and eastern Cedar

Rose petals

Copal Oro and Negro

Palo santo (very fresh and oily)

It is very light, mellow and sweet, vanilla amberish.

Speaking of plants of the Americas, we finally have Copal Blanco in,

fresh and direct from the source in Mexico.

Katlyn

Katlyn Breene

Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984)

katmermade@...

http://www.mermadearts.com/

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Actually I would be interested in that link. I am so very disappointed in what I

received . I attempted to contact the people to refund my money and I'd send

their tall grass back . Selling bogus like that is one reason so many native

americans are so offended and protective of their Sacred herbs. Since my child

is mixed, she by birthright should have this on Saturday. I am sure someone will

have it but I had hoped to gift some.

That is another reason some Pow Wows will do 'indian only' vendors and booths

too. If you dont have a CDIB card, forget it. Many native peoples didn't get one

and this was the ONE time signing a document would have helped them.........

e

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>

> Actually I would be interested in that link. I am so very

disappointed in what I received . I attempted to contact the people to

refund my money and I'd send their tall grass back . Selling bogus

like that is one reason so many native americans are so offended and

protective of their Sacred herbs. Since my child is mixed, she by

birthright should have this on Saturday. I am sure someone will have

it but I had hoped to gift some.

>

Hi Evie,

I just read (on doing some more research on sweet grass to make up for

my ignorance) that if sweet grass is harvested at the wrong time, it

can be devoid of scent. So maybe that was the problem with the stuff

you got... And that makes sense, because a lot of fragrant plants are

less fragrant and different times of the year -- like when it's really

cold outside.

Cheers!

Andrine

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From: " Selkie " <earthmotheressentials@...>

>

> That is another reason some Pow Wows will do 'indian only' vendors and

booths too. If you dont have a CDIB card, forget it. Many native peoples

didn't get one and this was the ONE time signing a document would have

helped them.........

>

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Burning Sweet Grass is amongst my favorite scents. We do have sweet grass

here, but it is more than just planting it, it's " where it propagates " on

it's own, there it thrives. Similar to where the cattails thrive, same damp

boggish sites. The thick field is restricted, you must be an enrolled

member and obtain a permit for " x " amount of harvest. While not on tribal

owned land, the harvesting is restricted by agreement. I love the smell of

the dried braids burning.

Often here in the Northwest it's dried cedar even more commonly than sweet

grass. Interesting Bowerman field grows a hefty amount of the cattails

also, the yellow dust more commonly used amongst South West for prayer and

more. I have an Oklahoma friend whose distilling company attempted to

distill some 3,000 braids purchased from Canada- doesn't work out for eo as

has been posted.

Patti

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oh man. maybe its just too delicate of a scent or Creator just doesn't want it

done that way LOL!

e

[Guest guest]

>Evie, not sure where you live, but sweet woodruff is a great sweet

grass

doppelganger (wave to Angi who now knows what that means ;-)

It's also great for flavoring white wine and other culinary uses. Wonder

why nobody makes an EO or abs of it.<

Woodfruff herb is beautiful in May wine served with strawberries,

easy to grow.

here is a more complex recipe....

http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Process\

es-Vol3/May-Bowl-or-May-Wine.html

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I learned from my old native teacher in Michigan how to make

Kinnikenick, an aromatic mixture of

sweetgrass

white Sage

bearberry

aromatic goldenseal

sweet gail

sweet fern

cedar

balsam fir.

It's what we burn as incense with a tuft of tobacco for ceremonies.

Kee also taught how to make sacred Cedar oil. A long process, bu

infusion. No recipe get's handed down, one has to come to the island

where Kee's apprentices still teach and it takes several years of

helping to understand the process. It's a commitment to make the sacred

Cedar oil for the 'family'.

C-M

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C wrote:

> I learned from my old native teacher in Michigan how to make

> Kinnikenick, an aromatic mixture of

> sweetgrass

> white Sage

> bearberry

> aromatic goldenseal

> sweet gail

> sweet fern

> cedar

> balsam fir.

> It's what we burn as incense with a tuft of tobacco for ceremonies.

> Kee also taught how to make sacred Cedar oil. A long process, bu

> infusion. No recipe get's handed down, one has to come to the island

> where Kee's apprentices still teach and it takes several years of

> helping to understand the process. It's a commitment to make the sacred

> Cedar oil for the 'family'.

> C-M

It's wonderful to see you posting, C-M. You've been quiet for some time,

but I should have known that Native botanicals chat would draw you out ;-)

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Hi all,

I remember seeing sweet gras eo, as well as many other rare botanicals

(poplar eo, fireweed hydrosol, lots of others) available through ANHAN

(Alberta Natural Health Agricultural Network.) Their site has a large

list of providers of unusual botanical ingredients and their contact

info. The sweet grass eo was pricey, but I am sure its worth every

bit.

Jess Ring

>

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>That is another reason some Pow Wows will do 'indian only' vendors

and booths too. If you dont have a CDIB card, forget it. Many native

peoples didn't get one and this was the ONE time signing a document

would have helped them.........<

and Yagar of Journey Scent are not Native American but they

do sell their smudge wands and botanicals at some Pow Wows. They also

work really hard for conservation and spend alot of time in the

rainforst of the Philippines. We have recently worked together on a

new incense called " Earth church " - they are amazing folks who collect

and grow most of what they sell.

http://www.mermadearts.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_35 & products_id=168

Journey Scent:

You can see harvesting the Sweet grass himself....He is staunch

believer in botanical conservation, and the man who has made me change

and brought awareness in creating new formulas.

http://www.journeyscent.com/

Katlyn

Katlyn Breene

Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984)

katmermade@...

http://www.mermadearts.com/

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As you know, Anya, I am horribly allergic to perfumes, so I just monitor

the list for learning:)

But when it comes to herbs, I still know my stuff, even though I have

aged and have truble traipsing through the woods anymore. But I still

make Kinnickenick for the people.

C-M

[Guest guest]

available through ANHAN

> (Alberta Natural Health Agricultural Network.) Their site has a large

> list of providers of unusual botanical ingredients

> Jess Ring

I went to their site, but didn't see where to get this list, do you

know a link?

Thanks,

Kiler

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Thanks for the link! I'll be sure to mention you.

I hope I didn't come off as this needing to be na only, and yes, there are those

in both ethnicities who will do something like this last guy did me but thats

rare. In fact, with those who are non native, I've seen more respect

and.......there is a variant of sweet grass that grows in Europe and it is

highly possible that it too was used as a sared herb. Cool huh?

Now personally, I believe the plants were given to all. I think it was the

ceremony thats protected and some of the younger ones don't understand that.

If I still have my land, I'd grow it as well. I did white sage and many things.

Good medicine is good medicine =)

I do get 'iffy' about the na only tho I understand, and I know many are angry

because they have to prove a paper. But that paper comes in handy when you get

to set up an a nice pow wow......lots of networking there!

The incense you mention sounds very much like something I'd be interested it.

I realized I came on as a hard nose, it was not intended that way. I have never

gotten ripped off before but I used to get mine at pow wow's and gifts.......I

am a bit of a recluse.

I would LOVE to learn to make incense. I found that site mentioned before very

nice. And this isn't a 'who gets the right to what' because what grows belongs

to all. I think I was supersensitive because I needed it for something special.

Its all good. I found I had some braid of an old one.

So, tell me about this earth incense.......you may have a customer! I will visit

this place and make an order. I respect all who do this. I cannot complain, I'm

irish, but my daughters are mixed . Shoot, we celts have our ways too LOL!

e

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rockinzep@... wrote:

> Hi Anya,

>

> There is no Sweetgrass EO straight from the distiller's mouth, but there is

> a lovely hydrosol. I will be carrying this in the next few weeks if anyone

> is interested in further information.

>

> Stype

> Arlys Naturals

> _www.arlysnaturals.com_ (http://www.arlysnaturals.com)

>

forgot to mention, but she's a Guild Supplier and if you're

ordering from her and you're a member of the Guild, check the Member

Discount section of the Files category on the Guild website. Don't

know if is offering a discount on this rare hydrosol, but

otherwise there's a 20% discount.

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