Re: Kyphi coffret idea ;-)

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Anya <anya@...> wrote: Hi Everyone:

We had a great " live chat " Expert Q & A in my class yesterday. It was a

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One thing for certain: there is no " one " Kyphi. It's a recipe that spans

centuries, dynasties and changes in the trade market re: available

aromatics.

I noticed one thing and had fun proposing a series of kyphi fragrances,

in a coffret as it were (insert proper Egyptian term here) that would

illustrate the differing types of Kyphi: gourmand, herbal, agrestic,

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has kindly offered to return to share his research into Egyptian

oil and solid perfumes. I can't wait!

As noted: The Egyptians were the first natural perfumers.

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Anya

A wonderful idea.... and I can see in my minds eye the coffret.....it would be

nice to see the different recipes all together...and the sniffer (grin) to

assess the subtle nuances in aromatic material ..... I bet the Q & A, fun and

informative l and what a good vibe to have the two classes joined together...

perfect.

Was the different Kyphi due to the different kings requesting different

recipes? I am curious . Or was it a matter of time and people adjusting?

with every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

Attar.. http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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> One thing for certain: there is no " one " Kyphi. It's a recipe that spans

> centuries, dynasties and changes in the trade market re: available

> aromatics.

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> I noticed one thing and had fun proposing a series of kyphi fragrances,

> in a coffret as it were (insert proper Egyptian term here) that would

> illustrate the differing types of Kyphi: gourmand, herbal, agrestic,

> floral, >

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> has kindly offered to return to share his research into Egyptian

> oil and solid perfumes. I can't wait!

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> As noted: The Egyptians were the first natural perfumers.

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It is an interesting thing isn't it! I've got a whole stack of Kyphi

recipes...and we have our own house Kyphi incense that we made after

fiddling around with all the other recipes...then a friend brought me

back some " Kyphi " from Egypt...which doesn't even reemble any of the

recipes we had. It also has some fascinating round red seeds in it that

I can't identify....

I've been working on a Kyphi perfume for a while too...be interesting to

see what everyone else comes up with under that heading.....

Ambrosia

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Ambrosia <ambrosia6@...> wrote:

> One thing for certain: there is no " one " Kyphi. It's a recipe that spans

> centuries, dynasties and changes in the trade market re: available

> aromatics.

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> As noted: The Egyptians were the first natural perfumers.

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It is an interesting thing isn't it! I've got a whole stack of Kyphi

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I've been working on a Kyphi perfume for a while too...be interesting to

see what everyone else comes up with under that heading.....

Ambrosia

It is such a fascinating subject.:-)

The word Kyphi in itself is a transcription by the Greeks from the ancient

Egyptian term Kp.t when they were studying the early egyptian pharmacopeaia.

I was trying to find out what the greek translation meant ie Kyphi ... but all

the references point to the word incense... but I cannot find a literal greek

translation for the word. ...

So did the Greeks decide to use their own word kyphi to the translation of

kp.t....... interesting.

Janita

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Janita wrote:

>The word Kyphi in itself is a transcription by the Greeks from the ancient

>Egyptian term Kp.t when they were studying the early egyptian

>pharmacopeaia.

The actual ancient Egyptian transliteration (putting the hieroglyphs into

our alphabet) is: " kap.t " , pronounced kapet, which is a noun and through

most of ancient Egyptian history simply meant " incense. " It is only much

later, towards the end of ancient Egypt when Cleopatra and her Macedonian

dynasty, the Ptolemies, which ruled Egypt after the death of the

Great that the word " kyphi " was used to mean a specific incense which is the

one whose recipes are carved on the stone walls of the temples of Horus at

Edfu and the temple of Isis at Philae (both sites in Egypt). There is also

the verb, " kap " which means " to fumigate " (with incense).

>I was trying to find out what the greek translation meant ie Kyphi ... but

>all the references point to the word incense... but I cannot find a literal

>greek translation for the word. ...

>So did the Greeks decide to use their own word kyphi to the translation of

>kp.t....... interesting.

You will not find a literal translation of the word " kyphi " in Hellenistic

Greek because it is not an original Greek word, but rather a borrowed

foreign word. It is the way the ancient Greeks heard the pronunciation of

the ancient Egyptian word " kapet " . In Hellenistic Greek, kyphi means

" Egyptian incense. " It would be the equivalent of our English use of the

Swedish word " smorgasbord " to mean " open face sandwiches and such " . The

word is originally Swedish, though we have borrowed the word into English

and pronounce it differently than do the Swedes.

As a sidebar, it is interesting to note that it is we who find ancient

Egyptian kyphi interesting and have made it famous, whereas the ancient

world did not recognize kyphi as being such a famous scent. It was the

ancient Egyptians' fat- and oil-based perfumes - the unguents - which were

so legendary and famous in the ancient world.

Mark

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Mark <potpourri@...> wrote:

As a sidebar, it is interesting to note that it is we who find ancient

Egyptian kyphi interesting and have made it famous, whereas the ancient

world did not recognize kyphi as being such a famous scent. It was the

ancient Egyptians' fat- and oil-based perfumes - the unguents - which were

so legendary and famous in the ancient world.

Mark

Thank you for taking the time and explaining everything so

beautifully......

Janita

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There is an excellent book on Egyptian fragrance called:

" Sacred Luxuries, Fragrance, Aromatherapy and Cosmetics in Ancient

Egypt "

This is an amazing work with very good compendium of ingredients and

formulas, and the photos are amazing!

wish I had time to copy out some of the info for you.

We sell an excellent premium Kyphi in the traditional style but with a

lovely deep floral top note called Sacred Lover.

blessings, Katlyn

Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984)

Katlyn Breene (owner)

http://www.mermadearts.com/

mermade@...

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Katlyn Breene <mermade@...> wrote: There is an excellent book on

Egyptian fragrance called:

" Sacred Luxuries, Fragrance, Aromatherapy and Cosmetics in Ancient

Egypt " opus publishing did the original.

This is an amazing work with very good compendium of ingredients and

formulas, and the photos are amazing!

blessings, Katlyn

Katlyns right.... it's by Manniche and well worth checking out...

ISBN 0-9535546

Had a quick hunt in Amazon but didn't come up with anything... but if you

google title... you may get lucky

Janita

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Kenya uses a lot of cinnamon, cloves, nutmeg, coriander and citrus

fruits in their cooking. (I believe they are producing Citrus oils.)

They are also producers of Tea and coffee.

Sophia

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> Kenya uses a lot of cinnamon, cloves, nutmeg, coriander and citrus

> fruits in their cooking. (I believe they are producing Citrus oils.)

> They are also producers of Tea and coffee.

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> Sophia

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Ooops, wrong topic, you can see where my mind has been lately.

Sophia