Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Hi Folks.... I've been following the alcohol thread with a lot of interest.... SD40 alcohol is a denatured ethanol, and a perfumer's alcohol... If the chemicals added to it for denaturing SD40 are non-natural, i.e. synthetic, is a perfume, otherwise made with natural essences, a Natural Perfume....? I was yakking with another listmember off list, and the question came up... My take on it at first was that the perfume is a synthetic, because of synthetic denaturants in the alcohol... And then I reconsidered.....If the aromatics are natural..... I myself use Everclear 95%, or Ambur 190 (a vodka) when I can find it... I'm unsure of the Guild's take on this....Guild policy mentions natural aromatics, and Guild members' use of synthetics is a no-no.... But the SD40 is not a syn per se....It has syns (a small amount) added to it so our Governments, Federal and State, don't miss their taxes.... I'm wondering what the NP listmembers' take on this is....and also if there is Guild policy that I missed, that applies in this scenario.... Regards, -- W. Bourbonais L'Hermite Aromatique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Denatured alcohol ie ethyl alcohol that poison has been added so that it can't be used for drinking. I'm not so sure a natural perfume customer would want poison in their perfume. The main question about denatured alcohol is what is it denatured with, and is it dangerous to use on the skin? I prefer to buy pure nondenatured alcohol, even though it is heavily taxed. Therefore I am guaranteed that there is nothing dangerous in it, and my fragrances are truly all natural. It takes a long time to use up a gallon of alcohol, and in the end the extra expense is minimal, compared the the expense of natural perfume materials. Fong Artemisia Natural Perfume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 > Hi Folks.... > > I've been following the alcohol thread with a lot of interest.... <snip> > If the chemicals added to it for denaturing SD40 are non-natural, > i.e. synthetic, is a perfume, otherwise made with natural essences, > a Natural Perfume....? <snip> > But the SD40 is not a syn per se....It has syns (a small amount) > added to it so our Governments, Federal and State, don't miss their > taxes.... <snip> > I'm wondering what the NP listmembers' take on this is....and also > if there is Guild policy that I missed, that applies in this > scenario.... > > Regards, > W. Bourbonais > L'Hermite Aromatique > Hi , My take on this would be that if there was any synth in it at all, I'd not consider the perfume made with it to be natural. I mean, what would be the point? We're going for blends that are made only with natural ingredients. Why would we put those natural ingredients into a base that contains synths? Otherwise, we'd not be here at NP, but on some other group that deals with synths as well as naturals... (I've not looked but I'm sure there is a group that does that.) I guess we could get into splitting hairs and ask how many PPB of synth in the alcohol would it take to make it not natural. But, in order to " denature " it, there would have to be a goodly amount of the denaturing ingredient(s). So we wouldn't be discussing PPB, because there'd be a darn sight more than that in the alcohol. My two-(s)cents' worth... Andrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Bourbonais wrote: > Hi Folks.... > > I'm unsure of the Guild's take on this....Guild policy mentions natural > aromatics, and Guild members' use of synthetics is a no-no.... > Hi Gar: Mandy and I have discussed this at length. We require that Guild members use undenatured alcohol EXCEPT if they live in a country where it is not legal for them to use it. So far, we have not had that problem. If anyone joins, and If they do have to use it, they must disclose it on all materials, from brochures to labels. 100% transparency. It's not their fault their government is archaic in its laws, and they have a passion to make natural perfume, and the customer will be informed and can make the decision. and perhaps join in a petition to change the laws! (wishing here) More often, the problem is just obtaining the stuff. the UK laws allow for herbalists to obtain alcohol, and we're working on getting them to recognize and issue licenses to perfumers. > But the SD40 is not a syn per se....It has syns (a small amount) added > to it so our Governments, Federal and State, don't miss their taxes.... > AT one point Tony Burfield was behind SD 40 because it was an organic ester, whatever that is, but I believe he has changed his mind, and would not allow that in a natural perfume. -- Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes, consultation Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates 1500+ member Natural Perfumery group - / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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