AD: Quality EO ** Was: Is the Public's Smell Sense Being Dumbed Down?

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Howdy Woody, Kathy .. other good folks ..

This reply is also an advertisement .. and today is Thursday. ;-)

Accordingly, I'll mention that neither the List Mom nor any of her

helpers gain anything should someone decide to try my products as a

result of this post. I guarantee quality and satisfaction and have

close to 14 years of credibility at stake when I make this statement.

wrote:

>> The world of natural essences is really a body of esoteric

>> knowledge....

I'll agree with the above but of the many terms available, I prefer to

use a different meaning for the term " esoteric " when it comes to EO.

I prefer to interpret it as not being a positive .. but rather an

incorrect perception of reality and acceptance of unscientific data

based on following the norms of the group one is involved with.

To rephrase, its something like belief in the Emperor's New Clothes.

>> I was in a grocery store once that was selling aromarings for light

>> bulbs....

>>

>> Their rose, lavender, sandalwood, and cinnamon " oil " was all the

>> same price.....very inexpensive....

>>

>> From the looks of the stock left in the display, they were doing

>> very well....

>>

>> I'm not being nasty here, but a general axiom to apply to all

>> things in life is:

>>

>> If it's too good to be true, it probably ain't.....

>> W. Bourbonais

>> L'Hermite Aromatique

>> A.J.P. (GIA)

And I agree with on the above .. except I will change " probably

ain't " to rarely is. If one does not know what the normal pricing

range is and they have been dealing with extremely high priced sellers

(like Young Living) then they might think they are getting a bargain

but that's like saying getting kicked in the shin is a better deal

than getting a poke in the eye.

In any industry there will be those who have a guaranteed to not rust,

bust or collect dust offer and at times they will even double that

offer if you call now. I have been monitoring dozens of News Groups

for years now .. rarely post on them .. just read. From time to time

I see someone come up with such a fantastic offer for EO and the

unknowing jump on it like a duck on a June Bug. What is even worse is

that many of them are satisfied with their purchase. I see some of

the offers as being out and out larceny because in some cases the cost

of the product is LESS than cost of production .. and there are no

Mama Theresa's selling EO.

> Hi All,

>

> I did contact this seller and had a reply this morning, and here is

> the reply,

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> HI

> I do not do testing myself, but the rose was obtained from probably

> my most reliable supplier.

Obviously this sellers explanation is lame .. at best. His/her most

reliable supplier?

> Its aroma is comparable with other rose absolutes we have tried from

> different sources so I am not sure how you believe it is being cut

> way down unless that is what everyone is doing.

Woody .. we just completed sending out Turkish Rose Absolute orders to

over 120 folks .. it was a quick sale of a 12 kilo batch I obtained a

month or so ago. Some buyers are members of this News Group. I am

not seeking kudos now .. but I do invite any negative comments if

there are any out there.

The point of the above statement is that I have confidence in the

product and I am inviting pretty knowledgeable folks to post contrary

if they are not satisfied.

I have customers in 50 states and 87 other countries and I would guess

that roughly half of them are pretty savvy folks when it comes to EO

... and when one deals with such folks they must have their ducks in

line because one " aw crap " can wipe out 10 " attaboys " . I am

confident that the majority of professional dealers operate as I do ..

so why would someone want to go on E-bay or some other nonprofessional

site and order a costly EO? Some folks who sell products are not

necessarily con artists .. they just are not knowledgeable of what

they sell .. but be it intent to deceive or deception through

ignorance the result is the same.

> The entire list of oils you purchased came from 7 different

> suppliers.

Sounds great .. but I doubt it. I don't believe there is a major

source of EO in the USA or abroad that I am not unaware of and I can

guarantee that NONE of them can offer products for prices that would

allow resale at such low prices.

> You can return them for a full refund.

I'll give the seller some credit for this statement.

> Sincerely

>

Anya mentioned requesting samples. Dang good suggestion this is.

It has always been my policy to offer 5 free samples with each order

... and if I think the customer deserves more I provide more .. my call

this is and its based on a number of things .. to include how I am

feeling at the time. ;-)

If someone makes a ridiculously small order and wants more samples I

will follow our policy of charging 60 cents for samples #6 and onward.

I will also provide 5 free samples without an order .. buyer pays the

actual cost of shipping.

Offering free samples is a part of my devious marketing plan .. and it

does work. Any Oil I sell I will provide as a sample .. in the short

term its a loss for me but not in the long term.

You asked if the public could be so misinformed about price vs quality

of EO. I think you have already answered the question. Not a week

passes that I don't get an e-mail from some buyer saying that one of

my oils is extremely low priced so is it adulterated .. or .. one of

my oils is extremely high priced and why am I asking such a price.

The answer to both questions is that my oils are not over or under

priced - they are priced fairly and in accordance with international

standards.

I must look at international standards because half of my business is

international sales.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>

> To have a look at his store,

> http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZwholesale_essential_oil

Couple of comments there ...

The prices posted are less than one can offer such oils even if they

purchase a minimum of 10 kilos per oil .. the 1 oz purchase price in

such a circumstance will exceed the posted sale price .. and in many

cases the sale prices posted are FAR LESS than production costs.

The 4 oz price of Kazanlik Rose Absolute offered is totally

ridiculous. There is no producer who can offer such a price direct

from his production facility. My one oz cost for a 12 kilogram buy

was 600% more than his 4 oz selling price and I got a major discount

from my source because I have been dealing with him since 1995 and

have bought more than a million bucks worth of products from him in

that time.

> As you will see the prices are good, but I think his suppliers may be

> leading him up the garden path.

This person is not a professional dealer of natural products .. they

don't mention the Botanical name of the product .. not the Origin.

Origin is as important when dealing with EO as is brand name when

purchasing a major appliance .. or an automobile.

If one wants to get their money's worth they must spend time looking

at the pricing norms of the market. High prices rarely mean higher

quality but extremely low prices always mean low quality. Prices

that are higher than market norm usually indicate that the seller has

not done sufficient marketing research .. or .. they depend on a small

group of followers to purchase their products. In the last case one

will normally find a person operating out of their kitchen .. they

have no overhead and even if they sell but $300 worth of product a

week they can realize a $150 profit.

So .. shop around and learn the prices .. and request samples from me

and 3 or 4 other sellers like me. Don't look for bargains .. there

are no bargains on commodities - essential oils are just another

commodity that are priced based on an international norm.

Folks who have been using EO for years are not being dumbed down but

those who are beginning to use them have just not wised up yet .. they

will wise up in time and hopefully their lessons learned will be as

painless as possible.

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

http://www.AV-AT.com .. Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EO & Rose Products,

Tested Hydrosols and other goodies shipped from our store/warehouse in

Downtown Friendsville, MD. Pop: 597

PS: Purchases from my Wholesale link are restricted to sellers of

products .. it is not necessary that they have a Tax ID or Business

License .. that's between them and their state .. unless the order is

to be delivered to an address in MD .. in that case I need to file

business info or charge the MD 6% sales tax. For Wholesale Entry just

send an e-mail off line .. but tell me your full name and status so we

can avoid E-mail Ping Pong.