Re: Vertical Jumping Feats

[Guest guest]

Dale Harder in his book " Strength " reports a 42 " vertical for Spud

Webb at 5'7 " and 135 lbs. The highest vertical jump found in the

Guiness Book of Records according to Harder was 48 " by basketball

player Darrell Griffith of the University of Louisville.

Additionally, Harder mentions that strongman had a

vertical of 32 " at a body weight of 375 pounds, olympic lifter Vasily

eev had vertical of 31 " at 360 pounds of body weight and olympic

lifter Ken Patera had a vertical jump of 42 " at a body weight over

270 pounds. And finally, Harder mentions football player Gibson

from the University of Wisconsin who at 6'7 " and 435 pounds had a 31 "

vertical jump.

[The Russian weightlifter Zhabotinski who weighed more than

had a vertical jump of 93cm. Mel Siff]

Which of the above is the most powerful based on their vertical jump

and body weight? My quick calculations (modified Formula) have

Gibson first, followed by , eev, Patera and Webb.

[One unknown in all cases is the issue of how strictly the tests were carried

out. In many cases, the tests administered on basketball players often involved

a step or a run. Thus, one needs to be very cautious in accepting at face value

any vertical jumps reported to exceed about 100cm (about 39 inches). Mel Siff]

Mike Berry

Milwaukee, WI

http://www.strengthcats.com

http://www.target-weight-coach.com

[Guest guest]

Back a few years I can remember a few guys that were in the Toronto

Argonauts training camp with me said when they were with the NY Jets,

that Rob at 6'3'' had a jump of over 40 " . What an athlete he

is! An all-American lacrosse player as well as professional football

player. And I heard he was a pretty good basketball player and track

athlete too.

I, too, wonder how they measure the vertical jump. I remember one try-out

I was at they allowed me a step -- I couldn't believe it! Other

combines laugh at that. Also, when someone steps to the wall to put

their arm up, there are so many ways to cheat that test that it is

hard to tell. At any rate those numbers posted by the large men sound

great!

Dan Fichter

Rochester NY

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" mwardberry " <mberry@m...> wrote:

> Dale Harder in his book " Strength " reports a 42 " vertical for Spud

> Webb at 5'7 " and 135 lbs. The highest vertical jump found in the

> Guiness Book of Records according to Harder was 48 " by basketball

> player Darrell Griffith of the University of Louisville.

>

> Additionally, Harder mentions that strongman had a

> vertical of 32 " at a body weight of 375 pounds, olympic lifter Vasily

> eev had vertical of 31 " at 360 pounds of body weight and olympic

> lifter Ken Patera had a vertical jump of 42 " at a body weight over

> 270 pounds. And finally, Harder mentions football player Gibson

> from the University of Wisconsin who at 6'7 " and 435 pounds had a 31 "

> vertical jump.

>

> [The Russian weightlifter Zhabotinski who weighed more than

> had a vertical jump of 93cm. Mel Siff]

>

> Which of the above is the most powerful based on their vertical jump

> and body weight? My quick calculations (modified Formula) have

> Gibson first, followed by , eev, Patera and Webb.

Mel Siff:

> One unknown in all cases is the issue of how strictly the tests were carried

> out. In many cases, the tests administered on basketball players often

involved

> a step or a run. Thus, one needs to be very cautious in accepting at face

value

> any vertical jumps reported to exceed about 100cm (about 39 inches).

[Guest guest]

- Harlem Globetrotters. I've heard 50 " +. This guy

currently plays so next time the Globetrotters play, go see him.

Note: I know 51 " is probably from an approach but this guy is still

invincible. 6'5 " tall and he has the world record for dunking by jamming on

a 12'2 " hoop.

No contest

..

[Another note - a running approach can add at least 25 cm (10 inches) to

one's vertical jump. Compare for instance a standing jump over a high jump bar

or hurdle vs a running jump over the same obstacles - no contest here, either.

Mel Siff]

Mort

Huntingdon, PA

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Mike Berry:

Dale Harder in his book " Strength " reports a 42 " vertical for Spud

Webb at 5'7 " and 135 lbs. The highest vertical jump found in the

Guiness Book of Records according to Harder was 48 " by basketball

player Darrell Griffith of the University of Louisville.

Additionally, Harder mentions that strongman had a

vertical of 32 " at a body weight of 375 pounds, olympic lifter Vasily

eev had vertical of 31 " at 360 pounds of body weight and olympic

lifter Ken Patera had a vertical jump of 42 " at a body weight over

270 pounds. And finally, Harder mentions football player Gibson

from the University of Wisconsin who at 6'7 " and 435 pounds had a 31 "

vertical jump.

[The Russian weightlifter Zhabotinski who weighed more than

had a vertical jump of 93cm. Mel Siff]

Which of the above is the most powerful based on their vertical jump

and body weight? My quick calculations (modified Formula) have

Gibson first, followed by , eev, Patera and Webb.

[One unknown in all cases is the issue of how strictly the tests were

carried out. In many cases, the tests administered on basketball players often

involved a step or a run. Thus, one needs to be very cautious in accepting at

face

valueany vertical jumps reported to exceed about 100cm (about 39 inches). Mel

Siff]

[Guest guest]

Cal,

Just out of curiousity, what exercise(s) do you attribute this

tremendous gain in vertical jumping ability of your 19 year old

athlete? Anything radical or just the tried-and-true Olympic

lifts and plyos? Well done.

[How much of it do you consider is possibly due to natural maturation,

if you are to judge by comparison with other youngsters training over

the same period? Mel Siff]

Steve Bubel MS, CSCS

San , Texas

[Guest guest]

Steve,

With my throwers I have them lifting six days a week, sounds like a little

much but, I just program for this many days, minus a short warm up the may

due around 14-16 total reps each exercise one day in an Olympic lift and

Front/Back squat the next day may be changing exercises with same concept.

Varying volume and reps to kind of counter parting the throwing protocol.

Exercises for this is just the combination of Power Snatch twice a week,

Power cleans one day followed later that week with a full clean. Squatting

Front/Back is along a heavy light protocol twice a week each exercise.

Heavy is most of the time spent between 80%-95% in full squatting movement.

When lifting between 80%-95% the weights have been between 90%-110% for

partial squats once a week for a couple of months, using this only 2 out of

the six months of training. Light days are spent between 50%-80% with

combinations of chains, bands, and nothing but true weight on the bar. I

like a wide stance back squat to work the glutes and Hamstring a little more

because of the large amount of time spent Olympic lifting and front

squatting using the quads. I also will box squat on light day’s working on

starting strength.

The Olympics are spent following my standard percentages, sets and reps,

keep in mind this is a little different than with my other 8 teams I work

with, these throwers are great lifters. I really don’t have many athlete

miss reps with any lifts. Karl (44inch vertical) has maybe missed 3 or 4

reps in the six months of training in all lifts and it was only a technical

reason, which was address on the spot and usually attempted successfully

again. Often I use a combination of cluster training, complex training, and

contrast training with Olympic lifts. Switching in combinations of rack

pulls from different levels and percentages 85%-115 or 120%.

Assisted exercises are Combination of plyo’s six or seven combinations,

jerks, Glute hams, reverse hyper, Good mornings and of course variations of

pressing with chains bands and so on.

Mel,

General maturation I believe of the neuromuscular system has some of course

but just the fact he is training on a consistent basis has a lot to with the

gains. Checking Karl's Speed Strength Deficit the measurements still give

me a reading that he needs to work on Strength for a short time, compared to

some of my mature throwers that need to work on speed to improve

performance. Keep in mind Karl presently is next to last on the strength

list of 5 throwers but they are all older and have a couple of year on him.

I imagine he will past all but one in the spring. He has put on 25 pound in

the last 6 months, maybe a little fat.

Karl is 6 feet 3 inches 250 pounds 10 percent Body Fat- current max Front

squats-425, Back Squat-525 (doesn't’t like to use belts or equipment) Power

Clean-350, Bench Press-375, Power Snatch-240, Power clean & Jerk 300, Close

Grip Incline-320, Clean-320.

Keep in mind that not all of these lifts are used in a training cycle

together. For example he started behind neck jerking for the first time and

got up to 286 very easy for triples. Looked like he could have completed it

for 10 reps the other struggled to keep up with him on this lift. He is

such a great athlete everything comes natural. The first day I taught the

clean he dropped right under the bar like he had been doing it for years,

that day working up to 275 or so. I’ve trained a Olympians in a few sports

some competing this week in Salt lake, but he is most likely that once in a

life time athlete. In regards to my other throwers we have put on 3-4 inches

but they are a little older. Results seem to vary with the more mature

athletes; this is the first time any of them have lifted like this.

Also I am implementing various things that I learned with Mel at his

Supertraining Camp which I recommend to anyone -- But please before going

study, not just read, his book a couple of times and take copious notes.

Cal Dietz,

Head Strength and Conditioning Coach

University Of Minnesota

Minneapolis, MN

USA

dietz011@...

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Steve Bubel <sbubel@...> wrote:

Cal,

Just out of curiousity, what exercise(s) do you attribute this

tremendous gain in vertical jumping ability of your 19 year old

athlete? Anything radical or just the tried-and-true Olympic

lifts and plyos? Well done.

[How much of it do you consider is possibly due to natural maturation,

if you are to judge by comparison with other youngsters training over

the same period? Mel Siff]