Re: Digest Number 353

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam

I don't have information on disability but I too am struggling to work

a full time job. It's tough getting moving in the morning. Not just from

pain but this horrible fatigue! By 2:00 in the afternoon I just about

can't stand it! I was just diagnosed in Feburary of this year and I am

trying to hang on to my job hoping that soon one of these medications

will start working. Have tried MTX, sulfasalazine, and now on Arava for

the second time. I am sure some of the other members of the group will

have some info for you about applying for disability. Hang in there. You

will learn a lot from this group.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. I'm new to the list and hoping to talk to others going thru what

I have been going thru. From what I have read so far, I think my son is a

little older than your kids. Shaun turned 16 in October and has had OCD

since at least 2 yrs old. That's when I can look back and recognize the

symptoms. He was diagnosed about 2 1/2 years ago. Actually I realized he had

OCD when I was watching a 20/20 program about ''The Boy Who Couldn't Stop

Washing.' The therapist we were seeing at the time didn't have a clue. He

is taking 300 mg of Luvox each day, along with 1/2 of a 25 mg tablet of Xanax

for anxiety. I think we have been thru everything - his obsessions seem to

change often - but the last 5 months have been the hardest. He met a girl

and everything has been downhill since. He started having panic attacks and

missing school. He's always been a 4.0 student (in fact, he HAD to have over

a 4.0-it was one of his obsessions). Now his grades are falling, and he's on

the verge of flunking his trig class. He hadn't been able to go to school at

all for the last 3 weeks. He's afraid and can't or won't say what of. The

school has been aware of the OCD the last 2 years. They worked very quickly

with me to get him into a special program so that he will have support

thruout the day. He has a 'safe area' he can go at any time if things get to

much for him. He went to school yesterday for the first time, and made it

thru the entire day (yeah!). Then this morning he had problems and couldn't

stop crying. I got him to school but agreed to pick him up in 3 hours.

Luckily there's a wonderful social worker at the school that's helping me and

she talked him into trying to go longer and utilize the people at the school

that are there to help him. It worked. He made it thru another day. I have

such a hard time trying to stay strong when he is falling apart. It breaks

my heart and I don't know how much more I can handle. I keep telling myself

that I have to handle it for him. I'm a single mom, working full time.

Thank goodness I have worked at the same place for 15 years and they

understand. I still worry about the time I'm missing from work. I have a 5

year old son, , who's handling all this very well. He worries when he

see's his brother crying and screaming so often but will give his brother a

hug and seems to accept it when I say Shaun doesn't feel well. We're in the

process of changing psychiatrists again (this will be the 3rd one). We'll be

seeing a woman this time and she was highly recommended - very caring and

spends a lot of time with her patients I hear. She supposedly has a lot of

experience with OCD. His therapist seems knowledgable, but hasn't been able

to get Shaun to open up about these recent problems. Shaun admits he hasn't

told him how he's feeling. Shaun's always trying to give the impression that

everything is OK. But he says he doesn't want to change therapists. It's so

hard to find someone who knows anything about OCD, let alone is familiar with

behavior therapy. What Shaun is going thru right now is so much harder than

the hand washing, checking, worrying about germs, etc, that he has gone thru.

He won't talk about his thoughts or worries. He says he 'doesn't know' or

that he doesn't want to talk about it 'because it puts the thoughts into his

head'. I hope this made sense. Take care. Hope to speak to you soon. Lemara

[Guest guest]

Lemara - Has he tried other medications? It doesn't sound like this one is

working. Also - Is he responsible for taking the medication himself? Just

a thought. I work in a school and I know a lot of kids who refuse to take

meds or spit them out if they get a chance.

Re: Digest Number 353

> From: LemaraMo@...

>

> Hi everyone. I'm new to the list and hoping to talk to others going thru

what

> I have been going thru. From what I have read so far, I think my son is a

> little older than your kids. Shaun turned 16 in October and has had OCD

> since at least 2 yrs old. That's when I can look back and recognize the

> symptoms. He was diagnosed about 2 1/2 years ago. Actually I realized he

had

> OCD when I was watching a 20/20 program about ''The Boy Who Couldn't Stop

> Washing.' The therapist we were seeing at the time didn't have a clue.

He

> is taking 300 mg of Luvox each day, along with 1/2 of a 25 mg tablet of

Xanax

> for anxiety. I think we have been thru everything - his obsessions seem

to

> change often - but the last 5 months have been the hardest. He met a girl

> and everything has been downhill since. He started having panic attacks

and

> missing school. He's always been a 4.0 student (in fact, he HAD to have

over

> a 4.0-it was one of his obsessions). Now his grades are falling, and he's

on

> the verge of flunking his trig class. He hadn't been able to go to school

at

> all for the last 3 weeks. He's afraid and can't or won't say what of. The

> school has been aware of the OCD the last 2 years. They worked very

quickly

> with me to get him into a special program so that he will have support

> thruout the day. He has a 'safe area' he can go at any time if things get

to

> much for him. He went to school yesterday for the first time, and made it

> thru the entire day (yeah!). Then this morning he had problems and

couldn't

> stop crying. I got him to school but agreed to pick him up in 3 hours.

> Luckily there's a wonderful social worker at the school that's helping me

and

> she talked him into trying to go longer and utilize the people at the

school

> that are there to help him. It worked. He made it thru another day. I

have

> such a hard time trying to stay strong when he is falling apart. It

breaks

> my heart and I don't know how much more I can handle. I keep telling

myself

> that I have to handle it for him. I'm a single mom, working full time.

> Thank goodness I have worked at the same place for 15 years and they

> understand. I still worry about the time I'm missing from work. I have a

5

> year old son, , who's handling all this very well. He worries when

he

> see's his brother crying and screaming so often but will give his brother

a

> hug and seems to accept it when I say Shaun doesn't feel well. We're in

the

> process of changing psychiatrists again (this will be the 3rd one). We'll

be

> seeing a woman this time and she was highly recommended - very caring and

> spends a lot of time with her patients I hear. She supposedly has a lot

of

> experience with OCD. His therapist seems knowledgable, but hasn't been

able

> to get Shaun to open up about these recent problems. Shaun admits he

hasn't

> told him how he's feeling. Shaun's always trying to give the impression

that

> everything is OK. But he says he doesn't want to change therapists. It's

so

> hard to find someone who knows anything about OCD, let alone is familiar

with

> behavior therapy. What Shaun is going thru right now is so much harder

than

> the hand washing, checking, worrying about germs, etc, that he has gone

thru.

> He won't talk about his thoughts or worries. He says he 'doesn't know' or

> that he doesn't want to talk about it 'because it puts the thoughts into

his

> head'. I hope this made sense. Take care. Hope to speak to you soon.

Lemara

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Lemara:

First, welcome to the list. I am not as active a poster as some of the

other members, but I find a lot of support and good feelings from others

travelling the same road.

My 11 yo son had school phobia last year, and also couldn't say why. It

sounds like your school district is much more on the ball than many others.

I agree with the previous poster that perhaps a med change is in order.

Aiden takes Prozac and Risperdal. He had been on Prozac for over a year

and continued to get worse. Finally he was hospitalized and taken off

Adderall (he also has ADHD -- and PDD and depression) and put on Risperdal.

The Risperdal made a TREMENDOUS difference in a very short amount of time.

As always, YMMV.

Unfortunately, when you're looking at meds, finding the right combination

can be a drawn-out and heart-wrenching experience. Having a safe place at

school is great. Aiden is allowed to take stress breaks. Unfortunately,

our SD doesn't have a social worker, nor even a competent school counselor.

There are some folks on the list with teenagers, and I'm sure you will hear

from them. Meantime, I hope the new doc is helpful.

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruth and Lemara:

My 11.5 y/o daughter is like that--or rather was until we discovered it was

her anxiety that made her unable to concentrate. We originally thought she

had ADD and she does, but once we took care of the anxiety (Luvox), the ADD

certainly improved. (Or maybe it was exacerbated by the anxiety.)

This poor child, from Grade 4 on, used to have hours of homework every night.

(She's now in Grade 6). I mean hours of it--and there were many times, she

didn't have a clue how to complete something. We would plead with her to stop

working...enough is enough, we'd say, but she'd literally have a

meltdown--screaming she just " had " to finish. And if we forced the issue,

she'd literally be up all night tossing and turning and worrying.

Later in her Grade 4 yr., my son (then 6) was dxed with TS/OCD/ADHD...once we

got him settled (if there is such a thing!) we saw a through different

eyes. All of a sudden, things started to make some sense to us.

We had her assessed as well and discovered she too had TS/ADHD (ADD

subcategory) and anxiety. By this time she was in Grade 5. The psychiatrist

asked her teacher to fill out a questionnaire to determine which was

worse--a's anxiety or ADD. (Her TS is very mild). I went to the school,

taking great pains with the teacher to explain to her what we needed, what

she was being asked to do. (This teacher wasn't the brightest crayon in the

box by any means). The teacher " freaked " --somehow she misconstrued that we

were asking HER to dx a. No, no, no, I reassured her but to no avail.

When the questionnaires came back, they described this marvellous student

with no problem whatsoever, popular, eager, etc. etc. The psychiatrist was

dumbfounded.

" Pretty hard to make any dx based on these outcomes, " he said. Still we

perservered. I thought it ludicrous that this Grade 5 child faced three to

five hours of homework every night and having her not do it was NOT an option

to her. Click, the light went off. Anxiety, I thought. But the psychiatrist,

based on that damned teacher's report, was not convinced and no interventions

were offered.

But by then it was the end of Grade 4--she had suffered the entire year,

fretting and obsessing about her homework. Push came to shove when on her

final report card of the year, her marks dropped dramatically. I mean from

mostly As to Cs and Ds. This time it was my turn to freak. I demanded to meet

with the teacher and principal immediately to find out how this could happen.

They told me it was not unusual but I wasn't buying it! Eventually, the

teacher admitted she had " noticed " things in a's performance that she had

earlier missed! Ugh! I was soooo angry. Why wasn't I notified???? I mean,

this kid is doing three to four hours of homework every nght, I'm TELLING her

there was a problem, she finally notices and says nothing? (And BTW, during

this time period, I was at the school daily so I was very accessible).

I determined at that moment (while gnashing and grinding my teeth!) that next

year would be different. We took that report to the psychiatrist's and asked

for a letter stating a had those clinical dxes...as the summer

progressed, we began to see more and more o/c's and plenty of examples of her

anxiety literally paralyzing her. She was literally incapable of making the

tiniest of decisions for fear of making a mistake. (Ex: " Do you like this

koolaid flavor? " Answer: " I don't know. " Me: " Well have another sip and tell

me what you think. " Major , major meltdown--in angry tears, she'd reply, " I

don't know...I don't know, leave me alone, leave me alone... " ).

By summer's end, the psychiatrist was convinced a needed help. She was

put on Luvox just day's (argh!) before Grade 6 was set to start. But this

time, I took a different approach. Before school began, I asked for a meeting

with the teacher. I asked her what the homework expectations were of a sixth

grader. She said <gasp> " The general rule of thumb is 10 minutes per

grade...so in Grade 6, it would be about an hour a night. " She was absolutely

dumbfounded when I told her what had transpired with this child.

First day of school, this lovely teacher made a point of telling her class

that she expected more or less one hour of homework per night. And then she

took a aside, very discreetly and reiterated her " rule " .

" And if you break it, " she said laughinly, " You're dead meet! "

Well that night, a came home with some homework. At the one-hour mark, as

we had discussed with both a and her teacher, we told her to stop. She

freaked!!! " You want me to fail! You don't care about me... " and on and on it

went. But we didn't relent, telling her this was her anxiety getting the best

of her and we would not let it win.

Called the teacher the next day, explained what happened. The teacher had a

nice talk with a about expectations et al, and we've never looked

back!!!! Amazing what a little education (on our part and the teacher's) and

a great and understanding teacher will do for a kid like a.

Sorry this is so long, this just really breaks my heart--knowing the hurdles

our kids have to overcome and how one really terrible teacher can wreak such

havoc on them.

Take good care,

In S. Ontario, Cda.

<< From: ruth porter <ruth2b4@...>

Hi Lemara and welcome to this wonderful list. I

have an almost 16 y/o. We have had school refusal

issues with our son also. There are times that he just

cannot go to school. Usually it is for a missing

assignment or not wanting to face a teacher about

something.(he can't seem to get the homework all

finished...or mis-judges the amount of time an

assignment will take) He gets anxious and depressed

and then his head is racing.He bottles this all up

inside and then blows. It sounds like your son is able

to show emotion in a less angry form. If only we could

'read' their minds. I know how hard it can be from

this end, just pains me to think of what your son is

going through. I am glad that he has good school

support. Good luck with your new therapist. Keep us

posted. Vivian in wa.st. >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lemara and welcome to this wonderful list. I

have an almost 16 y/o. We have had school refusal

issues with our son also. There are times that he just

cannot go to school. Usually it is for a missing

assignment or not wanting to face a teacher about

something.(he can't seem to get the homework all

finished...or mis-judges the amount of time an

assignment will take) He gets anxious and depressed

and then his head is racing.He bottles this all up

inside and then blows. It sounds like your son is able

to show emotion in a less angry form. If only we could

'read' their minds. I know how hard it can be from

this end, just pains me to think of what your son is

going through. I am glad that he has good school

support. Good luck with your new therapist. Keep us

posted. Vivian in wa.st.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Good luck with the new therapist. My son (14) wouldn't open up with his

previous psychiatrist (male) either. Would either tell him what he

thought he wanted to hear or said everything was just fine. Then we

switched to a woman psychologist and he talks her ear off. Males have

been shown to find it easier to talk about personal problems with

females.

Judy

LemaraMo@... wrote:

>

> From: LemaraMo@...

>

> Hi everyone. I'm new to the list and hoping to talk to others going

> thru what

> I have been going thru. From what I have read so far, I think my son

> is a

> little older than your kids. Shaun turned 16 in October and has had

> OCD

> since at least 2 yrs old. That's when I can look back and recognize

> the

> symptoms. He was diagnosed about 2 1/2 years ago. Actually I realized

> he had

> OCD when I was watching a 20/20 program about ''The Boy Who Couldn't

> Stop

> Washing.' The therapist we were seeing at the time didn't have a

> clue. He

> is taking 300 mg of Luvox each day, along with 1/2 of a 25 mg tablet

> of Xanax

> for anxiety. I think we have been thru everything - his obsessions

> seem to

> change often - but the last 5 months have been the hardest. He met a

> girl

> and everything has been downhill since. He started having panic

> attacks and

> missing school. He's always been a 4.0 student (in fact, he HAD to

> have over

> a 4.0-it was one of his obsessions). Now his grades are falling, and

> he's on

> the verge of flunking his trig class. He hadn't been able to go to

> school at

> all for the last 3 weeks. He's afraid and can't or won't say what of.

> The

> school has been aware of the OCD the last 2 years. They worked very

> quickly

> with me to get him into a special program so that he will have support

>

> thruout the day. He has a 'safe area' he can go at any time if things

> get to

> much for him. He went to school yesterday for the first time, and

> made it

> thru the entire day (yeah!). Then this morning he had problems and

> couldn't

> stop crying. I got him to school but agreed to pick him up in 3

> hours.

> Luckily there's a wonderful social worker at the school that's helping

> me and

> she talked him into trying to go longer and utilize the people at the

> school

> that are there to help him. It worked. He made it thru another day.

> I have

> such a hard time trying to stay strong when he is falling apart. It

> breaks

> my heart and I don't know how much more I can handle. I keep telling

> myself

> that I have to handle it for him. I'm a single mom, working full

> time.

> Thank goodness I have worked at the same place for 15 years and they

> understand. I still worry about the time I'm missing from work. I

> have a 5

> year old son, , who's handling all this very well. He worries

> when he

> see's his brother crying and screaming so often but will give his

> brother a

> hug and seems to accept it when I say Shaun doesn't feel well. We're

> in the

> process of changing psychiatrists again (this will be the 3rd one).

> We'll be

> seeing a woman this time and she was highly recommended - very caring

> and

> spends a lot of time with her patients I hear. She supposedly has a

> lot of

> experience with OCD. His therapist seems knowledgable, but hasn't

> been able

> to get Shaun to open up about these recent problems. Shaun admits he

> hasn't

> told him how he's feeling. Shaun's always trying to give the

> impression that

> everything is OK. But he says he doesn't want to change therapists.

> It's so

> hard to find someone who knows anything about OCD, let alone is

> familiar with

> behavior therapy. What Shaun is going thru right now is so much

> harder than

> the hand washing, checking, worrying about germs, etc, that he has

> gone thru.

> He won't talk about his thoughts or worries. He says he 'doesn't

> know' or

> that he doesn't want to talk about it 'because it puts the thoughts

> into his

> head'. I hope this made sense. Take care. Hope to speak to you

> soon. Lemara

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> [

[Guest guest]

Hello there -

Sorry I have been so quiet lately - I just feel overwhelmed and really

have been told nothing since Jordans last appointment on January 21st (an

introductory type appointment). At that appointment w/the rhuematologist we

were in the office for 2 hours and they spent 20 minutes with him. They

claimed the peditricians office had not sent over the xrays, blood work ups

or anything. Anyway - at that time she (the doctor) told me she'd call and

have me come backin the following week to discuss his case - guess what...she

NEVER called, GRRRR!!! So last week in my annoyed way, I called back and

explained to the answering machine (real people do not answer phones in this

office, in fact they have a phone system that tells you how far behind they

are with appointments - one of my new pet peeves.) So then on Thursday of

last week, they called me back and told me Jordan has an appointment to again

to see the good doctor on the 24th. Honestly, it has been two weeks and now

we must go another two weeks - they are not endearing themselves to me. So

then this morning, Monday the 7th, the office calls me back to tell me, she

(the doctor) is requesting my presense next Tueday (the 15th) for a

consultation before she meets Jordan again. Now in the meantime Jordan has

had flare ups and last week, the pediatrician had to get wheelchairs orders

for him, as he could not walk anymore. The only medication he is getting

currently is ibuprofin. I'm upset having to watch my child in pain, my

pediatrician is ticked at the rheumatologist. Is not a good situation right

now. I almost feel going to Ann Arbor to a pediatric rheumatologist would be

quicker, but the insurance won't pay for that until we jump thorugh this

hoop. Thanks for latting me vent --- grrrrrrrr!

Kat

[Guest guest]

Dear Kat, I can feel for you and your frustration. I think it is needless

and cruel to let a child suffer. I bet the rheumatologist wouldn't ever let

his child suffer like that. We had a similiar situation to yours before

n got diagnosed, and it was with the rheumatologist. He told us that

n did not have JRA without seeing her. n's fevers got so bad and

she couldn't walk , so we brought her to the ER. They did not admit her, we

still didn't have a diagnosis, she didn't improve, so about 5 hours later we

brought her to the ER again. This time n was dehydrated and they

admitted her. We insisted she be tested for lyme's disease, rule out

leukemia, and then look at Still's disease. We waited a whole day for the

rheumatologist, and I finallly called his office from the hospital. He

finally came and n finally got diagnosed and medicated. Since all of

this, we now travel to another state to see other ped. rheumys. You are

your child's only advocate. Stand up and fight. A mother is like a junk

yard dog, it is instinctive to protect your child. Hang in there and fight ,

fight , fight. If your child has JRA they need to get it under control as

soon as possible. Good luck, and you can vent here whenever you want.

Since n has gotten sick I have a whole new outlook of the medical

profession, and my husband is part of the medical profession.

Re: Digest Number 353

>From: Prov31Wise@...

>

>Hello there -

>

> Sorry I have been so quiet lately - I just feel overwhelmed and really

>have been told nothing since Jordans last appointment on January 21st (an

>introductory type appointment). At that appointment w/the rhuematologist

we

>were in the office for 2 hours and they spent 20 minutes with him. They

>claimed the peditricians office had not sent over the xrays, blood work ups

>or anything. Anyway - at that time she (the doctor) told me she'd call and

>have me come backin the following week to discuss his case - guess

what...she

>NEVER called, GRRRR!!! So last week in my annoyed way, I called back and

>explained to the answering machine (real people do not answer phones in

this

>office, in fact they have a phone system that tells you how far behind they

>are with appointments - one of my new pet peeves.) So then on Thursday of

>last week, they called me back and told me Jordan has an appointment to

again

>to see the good doctor on the 24th. Honestly, it has been two weeks and

now

>we must go another two weeks - they are not endearing themselves to me. So

>then this morning, Monday the 7th, the office calls me back to tell me, she

>(the doctor) is requesting my presense next Tueday (the 15th) for a

>consultation before she meets Jordan again. Now in the meantime Jordan has

>had flare ups and last week, the pediatrician had to get wheelchairs orders

>for him, as he could not walk anymore. The only medication he is getting

>currently is ibuprofin. I'm upset having to watch my child in pain, my

>pediatrician is ticked at the rheumatologist. Is not a good situation

right

>now. I almost feel going to Ann Arbor to a pediatric rheumatologist would

be

>quicker, but the insurance won't pay for that until we jump thorugh this

>hoop. Thanks for latting me vent --- grrrrrrrr!

>Kat

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

I'm really sorry to hear that your family has so much to cope with right

now. I don't blame you at all, for feeling upset. Poor Jordan. He must

be having it pretty rough right now. It sounds like the pediatrician is

on your side but if their office staff neglected to send the charts,

things like that can slow the process down. geez ... two hours at the

rheumatologist's office and yet they only saw your son for 20 minutes!

And all they prescribed so far was ibuprophin?!? If I were you, I'd

bring Jordan in with me when I went to the consultation meeting next

week. If they can see you on the 15th, they might as well see the

patient! Good luck. I hope things start getting better for you, soon.

Very soon.

Take care,

Georgina

Prov31Wise@... wrote:

>

> From: Prov31Wise@...

>

> Hello there -

>

> Sorry I have been so quiet lately - I just feel overwhelmed and really

> have been told nothing since Jordans last appointment on January 21st (an

> introductory type appointment). At that appointment w/the rhuematologist we

> were in the office for 2 hours and they spent 20 minutes with him. They

> claimed the peditricians office had not sent over the xrays, blood work ups

> or anything. Anyway - at that time she (the doctor) told me she'd call and

> have me come backin the following week to discuss his case - guess what...she

> NEVER called, GRRRR!!! So last week in my annoyed way, I called back and

> explained to the answering machine (real people do not answer phones in this

> office, in fact they have a phone system that tells you how far behind they

> are with appointments - one of my new pet peeves.) So then on Thursday of

> last week, they called me back and told me Jordan has an appointment to again

> to see the good doctor on the 24th. Honestly, it has been two weeks and now

> we must go another two weeks - they are not endearing themselves to me. So

> then this morning, Monday the 7th, the office calls me back to tell me, she

> (the doctor) is requesting my presense next Tueday (the 15th) for a

> consultation before she meets Jordan again. Now in the meantime Jordan has

> had flare ups and last week, the pediatrician had to get wheelchairs orders

> for him, as he could not walk anymore. The only medication he is getting

> currently is ibuprofin. I'm upset having to watch my child in pain, my

> pediatrician is ticked at the rheumatologist. Is not a good situation right

> now. I almost feel going to Ann Arbor to a pediatric rheumatologist would be

> quicker, but the insurance won't pay for that until we jump thorugh this

> hoop. Thanks for latting me vent --- grrrrrrrr!

> Kat

[Guest guest]

On 11 May 00, at 8:28, candidiasisegroups wrote:

> I am a very allergic person and have all kinds of food allergies. I never had

any food sensitivities

> until a couple of years ago. I often wonder too if my sudden food allergies

are caused by leaky gut

> syndrome from the candida. My doctor hasn't mentioned leaky gut syndrome to me

yet, as I've only

> seen him twice.

>

> I was wondering how leaky gut syndrome is treated?

Hi Missy

Take a look at:

http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm#LGS

In health,

[Guest guest]

__________________________________

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:30:49 -0000

> From: " " <mmeadows1@...>

> Subject: Promising New Way To Treat Kidney Cancer

>

> Interesting article about a new way to treat Kidney cancer.

>

> However, I couldn't help but be DISGUSTED by a quote in the article

> made by a doctor. The CM cut and remove " Quakery " attitude of the

> doctor quoted is " Oh what the hell we have this person cut open

> anyway so lets just remove a couple of things while we are in here " .

Now be fair. 23 patients treated for less than a year is not be nearly

enough experience upon which to base various judgements you have made.

Cryotherapy is an experimental treatment, that may ultimately prove to

enable the avoidance of major surgery with small tumours. But on the

present state of knowledge, the more sure treatments of nephrectomy or

partial nephrectomy should be performed if the patient has already been

exposed to the disadvantages of major surgery. This is all that is being

said, and it is quite prudent.

The main risk with cryosurgery is incomplete destruction of all cancer cells

and later tumour recurrence.

Moran

[Guest guest]

Hi Sis!! And all the other new folks!

I knew sooner or later you would quit lurking and join in. Just a

little info on my Sister Pat......She has the most beautiful flowers and

shrubs. Her therapy is also her love which is gardening. She like my

Grandson Chance is also another inspiration to me. She keeps going and

no matter how bad she feels stays in the swing of things and doesn't let

it get her down. I know you will all enjoy getting to know her she has

a heart of Gold!!

Huggs to all

[Guest guest]

Hey

I was wondering who Ella was!! Sounds like she would love to meet my

best Buddy Max!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Gretchen

I have more dreams than nightmares and they are always odd it seems and

I hate it when they come true. Night tremors Chance has at least that

is what the Drs. call them but here lately I don't think he has had to

many. When I was a kid I was either flying or running from someone in

my dreams. Nowadays I dream of strange things like planes crashing in

my back yard or large spiders and snakes in my yard....why my yard is

beyond me. The other day though I dreamed of an Angel.....I look at

that as a good omen.

[Guest guest]

Hi, ...

Perhaps we could set up a meeting between your Max and my Ella ... Do you

think a coffee meeting would suffice, or would a complete evening with

flowers, dining out and a movie be more appropriate? Please discuss this

with Max, and also, please explain to him that he will be expected to respect

boundaries and be a complete gentleman. )

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/14/2000 10:29:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

oregonpapa@... writes:

<< Hi, ...

Perhaps we could set up a meeting between your Max and my Ella ... Do you

think a coffee meeting would suffice, or would a complete evening with

flowers, dining out and a movie be more appropriate? Please discuss this

with Max, and also, please explain to him that he will be expected to

respect

boundaries and be a complete gentleman. )

>>

Maybe a day at the groomer would be fun for them. Like a day at the spa.

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In a message dated 7/14/00 5:03:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jacee17@...

writes:

<<

>>

...

Based upon 's description of Max, I think he would enjoy a day at the

groomers. *LOL*

[Guest guest]

Hi.

I had a visit to my dermatologist on Friday and we were discussing Tea Tree

to help rid of some skin problems..

My Dr said that in the past year, he has seen two blown cases of Hepatitis

(sp??) because of misuse of Tea Tree Oil. He said it is one of the most

missued dangerous aeromatheropy oils on the market, and unless you are a

qualified Aeromatherapis to not use it.

Anyone who has any sort of degree on this know of this?

IM in Canada, and the cases my Dr have seen are from Canadians on the west

coast.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/8/00 4:46:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, d-lance@...

writes:

<< Hi.

I had a visit to my dermatologist on Friday and we were discussing Tea Tree

to help rid of some skin problems..

My Dr said that in the past year, he has seen two blown cases of Hepatitis

(sp??) because of misuse of Tea Tree Oil. He said it is one of the most

missued dangerous aeromatheropy oils on the market, and unless you are a

qualified Aeromatherapis to not use it.

Anyone who has any sort of degree on this know of this?

IM in Canada, and the cases my Dr have seen are from Canadians on the west

coast. >>

This sounds interesting---I work for the health department here in SC in the

area of infectious disease and have never heard of hepatitis being

transmitted through tea tree oil???? I would be curious to know how it is

supposed to be transmitted.

Angie

[Guest guest]

hi

I have never heard of Tea Tree oil (or any essential oil) causing Hepititis.

The only way I can see it happening is if the oil was tainted. For that to be,

it wasn't pure. It was cut with something else. Allways double check any

essential oils you buy for purity. However, being an aromatherapist, I might

learn differently. I shall keep you all informed if I do learn anything new.

Yap Later

Gena

Natural, Homemade Beauty Care Products

http://mystic-creations.bigstep.com

Re: Digest Number 353

In a message dated 8/8/00 4:46:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, d-lance@...

writes:

<< Hi.

I had a visit to my dermatologist on Friday and we were discussing Tea Tree

to help rid of some skin problems..

My Dr said that in the past year, he has seen two blown cases of Hepatitis

(sp??) because of misuse of Tea Tree Oil. He said it is one of the most

missued dangerous aeromatheropy oils on the market, and unless you are a

qualified Aeromatherapis to not use it.

Anyone who has any sort of degree on this know of this?

IM in Canada, and the cases my Dr have seen are from Canadians on the west

coast. >>

This sounds interesting---I work for the health department here in SC in the

area of infectious disease and have never heard of hepatitis being

transmitted through tea tree oil???? I would be curious to know how it is

supposed to be transmitted.

Angie

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I would like to know which auction is having a bidding for the Oxyflow?

le

Digest Number 353

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Hi le,

They have them at firstauction.com I put in a bid this moring for $61.00 I

wont go higher but its still cheaper than HSN ..I need it soo bad for my

aching back.

Kellie

Re: Digest Number 353

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Steve,

Thanks!

Fran

[Guest guest]

Dear Elize

I am also looking for a yoghurt (or any other product usually made with cow's milk for that matter) made with rice milk. PLease let me know if you find one? I'll do likewise.

Thanks,

Helen, formerly of Newcastle, Natal SA, now in Australia......

Re: Digest Number 353

HelloI eat dairy sparingly and then only mozarella or Feta cheese.When having dairy I mainly have it in a salad and then try not to have any starch at the same meal. Having dairy on a daily basis does cause me problems and for that reason have it not more than three times a week.Essene/Ezekiel bread - we don't have it here in South Africa but during my visit to Alaska in May also found that I had no problems provided I ate it spairingly. I tolerate 100% rye crackers or 100% wheat free bread far better.I don't have a problem with butter at all.Has anyone out there been able to make yogurt using rice milk - I am looking for a recipe.Best wishes to allElizeSouth Africa>>> ourhouse@... 08/22/00 02:39AM >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------<e|-Find long lost high school friends:1/8016/10/_/473523/_/966922743/--------------------------------------------------------------------|e>-You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the mailing list.