Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Here is a response from someone on another list to my PP127. Any comments on these comments? ---------------------------------- * Some comments on PP127: 1) Straight-legged sit-ups are safer than bent-knee sit-ups. In straight-legged sit-ups, the psoas is allowed to function more efficiently along with the other spinal flexors. In supine (supposing the individual is in a good posture with no excessive anterior or posterior pelvic tilt) the psoas and abdominal muscles are positioned at an adequate length from origin to insertion. With a contraction the abdominals (spinal flexors) flex up the trunk by pulling strongly against a fully anchored pelvis. The Sit-up part of the action occurs after the trunk has been raised -- this is where the psoas comes into play. The psoas flexes at the hip (it is a hip flexor) to complete the trunk curl/sit-up maneuver. 2) Sit-ups are not always the safest, depending on your postural tendencies. If you are predisposed to a posteriorly rotated pelvis (relatively shortened hamstrings and rectus abdominis) or anteriorly rotated pelvis (relatively shorted psoas and lengthened abominals) sit-ups with only increase the tendency for malalignment. Only when one is able to achieve a centered (neutral) pelvis/spine position should the sit-up be executed. Those with shortened psoas muscles would do better to start out with the knees bent (putting the psoas on slack) with the goal of supplementing thia exercise with postural education and stretching of the psoas. Those with shortened hamstrings can start out with straight legged sit-ups but may benefit from a towel roll under the low back to encourage a more proper alignment. Also these individuals should receive heavy postural education and stretching of the hamstrings (and often the ERs of the hip). In addition, both individuals should begin with strengthening the core musculature (multifidi, pelvic floor, transverse abs) to be able to achieve neutral pelvis /spine and to develop adequate control of this position. Mel Siff: <Theoretically it might appear to some folk that the small angle subtended in the straight-legged sit-up by psoas in its proximal attachment to the spine will markedly accentuate the lumbar concavity (as seen from behind), this does not appear to have been shown via clinical measurement. If the psoas angle were more perpendicular to the length of the spine, then it would be far more likely for the psoas to exert sufficient force to increase the lumbar concavity, but the major component of force exerted by psoas is along the length of spine, not vertical to the spine.> * Only during the trunk curl is the psoas force 'along the length of the spine.' Mel Siff: <Paradoxically, the bent-knee (actually flexed-hip) sit-up would seem to place psoas in a position which enables it to pull more vertically on the lumbar spine, so that that flexed hip sit-ups would appear to be less safe than straight-legged sit-ups! As a matter of interest, has anyone come across any MRIs which have examined exactly how much an activated psoas in a healthy person during sit-ups increases the lumbar concavity (not 'lordosis', since this term accurately refers only to pathology)? Actually, lordosis is the natural alignment of the cervical and lumbar spine areas. When this lordosis is accentuated, it becomes pathological. All too often, it is presumed that large psoas activation necessarily can and will produce enough force to deform the lumbar spine to such an extent that it will lead to vertebral displacements which will cause nerve impingement in the non-pathological spine. Surely, the likelihood that this level of displacement will occur is vastly exaggerated because the healthy spine and its discs are surrounded by very strong connective tissue that minimise the degree of this displacement.> * Most individuals with altered pelvic positions have been positioned as such for their entire lifetimes. This is sufficient time for their body to develop an area of local defamation such that a repetitive strain by the psoas (increased anterior tilt/Lumbar lordosis during a sit-up) will cause a small amount or vertebral displacement. Also, those with posterior pelvic tilts can develop higher risk of disc bulge if engaging in activities where the spine is flexed repetitively and to the point of ligamentous failure (we all have patients like this). Mel Siff: <What is far too commonly assumed is that psoas definitely DOES increase the lumbar concavity, and in order to do so, it has to produce extremely large force because of its low angle in the supine or straight body.> * Remember, most individuals with a life-long positioning of accentuated lumbar lordosis have psoas muscles in a relatively shortened position. Their mechanical ratios are unbalanced. Mel Siff: <Moreover, it is impossible or virtually impossible for the average person to sit up in such a way as to allow psoas to strongly become activated before the rest of the abdominal musculature has become activated and minimised the possibility of this happening. > * You're right. The trunk curl part is primarily a result of the abdominals activating. The sit-up (hip flexion part) is the area of concern. BUT, as with a forward bend in standing, most anteriorly positioned individuals with never assume a neutral lumbar spine -- their psoas is tight and will activate prematurely. --------------- Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA Supertraining/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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