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In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:21:22 AM Central Standard Time,

mrt12489@... writes:

> And not to mention those who would never admit that their/our bodies don't

> function normally, don't function as normally as bodies of other average

> people on our planet earth and that we do have big, big problems or some

> who say they would never accept the cure for SMA even if it was available

> one day. All of these statements I find very hard to understand and I call

> it being way too proud, ignoring what's obvious, ignoring the truth....

>

Maybe *some* people don't give a flying fuck if they're " normal. " What IS

normal anyhow? Why shouldn't I be proud of who and what I am? I was raised

with confidence and the " truth " was never hidden from me. My life wasn't

going to be easy, it wasn't going to be perfect, but despite SMA I was to

live a fulfilling life.

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In a message dated 12/23/2002 7:10:39 PM Central Standard Time,

Ames24@... writes:

> Actually, if I accepted what others thought of me, I would be nothing of

> what

> I am today...ESPECIALLY being a mom!

Ain't that the truth. =)

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I could not agree more! I swore I was not going to get embroiled in

this, but here I go. I have never met a person, disabled or not, that

is " whole " . Everyone has faults. Everyone has challenges. Everyone

has pre-conceived notions about someone, somewhere that are incorrect.

People who think they are perfect, disabled or not, are quite frankly

deluding themselves. 'God's reply' in this poem, which many

overlooked, included the phrase " His spirit is whole " . I don't mean

to burst anyone's bubble, but although our spirits, personalities,

emotions and psyches may be " whole " , our physical bodies do have

limitations that others' don't. (Albeit, others have different

limitations that we don't.) I need my husband's and daughters'

assistance each and everyday to accomplish basic tasks. To go around

arguing, " No, I am whole " despite this, seems to me to completely take

for granted the love and help of people that choose to help us.

Now I'm going to beat my head against a brick wall for awhile...

Jenn

> The important thing is that my parents sure are proud of me and we

should all be proud of ourselves every day and always and forever - we

are who we are and have to truly love ourselves and praise our

achivments in order to be able to love others around us, but on the

other subject, I notice that some people on this list are kind of way

too proud and that's not good. Like when they notice a small, tiny and

totaly unreal implication of supposedly lack of respect for disabled

people in a nice poem " God said no " sent in good faith, they have to

start some fights. And not to mention those who would never admit that

their/our bodies don't function normally, don't function as normally

as bodies of other average people on our planet earth and that we do

have big, big problems or some who say they would never accept the

cure for SMA even if it was available one day. All of these statements

I find very hard to understand and I call it being way too proud,

ignoring what's obvious, ignoring the truth....

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OK, I'll back away from the brick wall before I get hurt.

I just get so frustrated because I used to be on this " I am perfectly

whole " kick, and quite frankly it really messed with the relationship

I had with my husband back then. It implied to him that I took

everything he did for me for granted. I could avoid dealing with my

reality, but the people who chose to interact with me on a day to day

basis still had to deal with it.

Sigh...

Jenn

> I agree Jenn. No one is whole...physically. So, quit beat your head

on that wall. It hurts!

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In a message dated 12/28/2002 4:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

smarinich@... writes:

> You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based

> on your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd

> respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's are

> personal and hence a very contentious issue.

>

> I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not judge

> mine,

> nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " .

>

What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot of

what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal with it.

I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose.

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Ok I've been away and just started reading the controversial responses.

Though this may be a bit late, I have this to say:

-if I was given the choice to be disabled or " whole " (in body), I'd pick

to not be disabled without so much as a blink of an eye "

This does not mean that I am less of a person, " personhood " is

who you are within yourself. Your mind is who you are not your body,

able or not.

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In a message dated 12/22/2002 2:04:30 PM Central Standard Time,

Ames24@... writes:

> Amd the line about " make my handicapped child

> whole " ...let's face it, many still hold the opinion that disabled

means

> incomplete and sickly. I find myself dealing with this very issue more

and

> more, especially being mom to a toddler.

So does that mean we should willingly accept being labeled as such? I

really

hope not for the sake of your kid.

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You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based

on your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd

respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's are

personal and hence a very contentious issue.

I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not judge

mine,

nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " .

Re: Re: GOD said NO!

In a message dated 12/22/2002 1:03:52 PM Central Standard Time,

MsBYGthoughts@... writes:

> Yes, that is such an extreme generalizAtion. To me it sounds like

> someone is

> hatin on Christians. And for someone to get so offended by the

statement

> that our bodies arent whole, sure is being judgemental themeselves!

Did I say all? No, and if I did then I would be generalizing. I find

Christians views to be ridiculous and offensive - however, as I stated

before

I couldn't care less who you worship.

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In a message dated 12/29/2002 12:00:08 PM Central Standard Time,

smarinich@... writes:

> What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot

> of

> what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal

> with it.

> I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose.

>

>

> How utterly American.

>

> Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance.

Can you read? Does the last sentence NOT say " I respect your right... " ? I

didn't say you were wrong, less intelligent, etc. for your beliefs. How can

you expect more than tolerance when I just don't believe the same things you

do?

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In a message dated 12/28/2002 4:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

smarinich@... writes:

> You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based on

> your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd

> respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's

> are personal and hence a very contentious issue.

>

> I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not

> judge mine, nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " .

>

What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot

of

what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal

with it.

I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose.

How utterly American.

Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance.

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In a message dated 12/29/2002 12:00:07 PM Central Standard Time,

smarinich@... writes:

> What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot

> of

> what makes up Catholicism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal

> with it.

> I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose.

>

>

> How utterly American.

>

> Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance.

>

Actually, it's just blatant bigotry regardless of country of origin.

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can we stop attacking each other personally?

it is possible to discuss difficult issues without name calling each other

i have very little respect for major religions having seen the amount of

death in the middle east and closer at home in northern ireland. i also

can't respect how the pope refuses to support the use of condoms to help

with birth control and the spread of aids particularly in countries where

this too is contributing to unnecessary death. however i total respect a

persons right to follow whatever religion they wish.

linda

> > How utterly American.

> >

> > Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance.

> >

>

> Actually, it's just blatant bigotry regardless of country of origin.

>

>

>

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Educate me. Specifically what do you find ridiculous, and what do you find

offensive?

Re: Re: GOD said NO!

In a message dated 12/22/2002 1:03:52 PM Central Standard Time,

MsBYGthoughts@... writes:

> Yes, that is such an extreme generalizAtion. To me it sounds like someone

is

> hatin on Christians. And for someone to get so offended by the statement

> that our bodies arent whole, sure is being judgemental themeselves!

Did I say all? No, and if I did then I would be generalizing. I find

Christians views to be ridiculous and offensive - however, as I stated

before

I couldn't care less who you worship.

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