Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:21:22 AM Central Standard Time, mrt12489@... writes: > And not to mention those who would never admit that their/our bodies don't > function normally, don't function as normally as bodies of other average > people on our planet earth and that we do have big, big problems or some > who say they would never accept the cure for SMA even if it was available > one day. All of these statements I find very hard to understand and I call > it being way too proud, ignoring what's obvious, ignoring the truth.... > Maybe *some* people don't give a flying fuck if they're " normal. " What IS normal anyhow? Why shouldn't I be proud of who and what I am? I was raised with confidence and the " truth " was never hidden from me. My life wasn't going to be easy, it wasn't going to be perfect, but despite SMA I was to live a fulfilling life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 In a message dated 12/23/2002 7:10:39 PM Central Standard Time, Ames24@... writes: > Actually, if I accepted what others thought of me, I would be nothing of > what > I am today...ESPECIALLY being a mom! Ain't that the truth. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 I agree Jenn. No one is whole...physically. So, quit beat your head on that wall. It hurts! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 I could not agree more! I swore I was not going to get embroiled in this, but here I go. I have never met a person, disabled or not, that is " whole " . Everyone has faults. Everyone has challenges. Everyone has pre-conceived notions about someone, somewhere that are incorrect. People who think they are perfect, disabled or not, are quite frankly deluding themselves. 'God's reply' in this poem, which many overlooked, included the phrase " His spirit is whole " . I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but although our spirits, personalities, emotions and psyches may be " whole " , our physical bodies do have limitations that others' don't. (Albeit, others have different limitations that we don't.) I need my husband's and daughters' assistance each and everyday to accomplish basic tasks. To go around arguing, " No, I am whole " despite this, seems to me to completely take for granted the love and help of people that choose to help us. Now I'm going to beat my head against a brick wall for awhile... Jenn > The important thing is that my parents sure are proud of me and we should all be proud of ourselves every day and always and forever - we are who we are and have to truly love ourselves and praise our achivments in order to be able to love others around us, but on the other subject, I notice that some people on this list are kind of way too proud and that's not good. Like when they notice a small, tiny and totaly unreal implication of supposedly lack of respect for disabled people in a nice poem " God said no " sent in good faith, they have to start some fights. And not to mention those who would never admit that their/our bodies don't function normally, don't function as normally as bodies of other average people on our planet earth and that we do have big, big problems or some who say they would never accept the cure for SMA even if it was available one day. All of these statements I find very hard to understand and I call it being way too proud, ignoring what's obvious, ignoring the truth.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2002 Report Share Posted December 24, 2002 OK, I'll back away from the brick wall before I get hurt. I just get so frustrated because I used to be on this " I am perfectly whole " kick, and quite frankly it really messed with the relationship I had with my husband back then. It implied to him that I took everything he did for me for granted. I could avoid dealing with my reality, but the people who chose to interact with me on a day to day basis still had to deal with it. Sigh... Jenn > I agree Jenn. No one is whole...physically. So, quit beat your head on that wall. It hurts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 In a message dated 12/28/2002 4:24:30 PM Central Standard Time, smarinich@... writes: > You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based > on your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd > respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's are > personal and hence a very contentious issue. > > I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not judge > mine, > nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " . > What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot of what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal with it. I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Ok I've been away and just started reading the controversial responses. Though this may be a bit late, I have this to say: -if I was given the choice to be disabled or " whole " (in body), I'd pick to not be disabled without so much as a blink of an eye " This does not mean that I am less of a person, " personhood " is who you are within yourself. Your mind is who you are not your body, able or not. Re: GOD said NO! In a message dated 12/22/2002 2:04:30 PM Central Standard Time, Ames24@... writes: > Amd the line about " make my handicapped child > whole " ...let's face it, many still hold the opinion that disabled means > incomplete and sickly. I find myself dealing with this very issue more and > more, especially being mom to a toddler. So does that mean we should willingly accept being labeled as such? I really hope not for the sake of your kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based on your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's are personal and hence a very contentious issue. I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not judge mine, nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " . Re: Re: GOD said NO! In a message dated 12/22/2002 1:03:52 PM Central Standard Time, MsBYGthoughts@... writes: > Yes, that is such an extreme generalizAtion. To me it sounds like > someone is > hatin on Christians. And for someone to get so offended by the statement > that our bodies arent whole, sure is being judgemental themeselves! Did I say all? No, and if I did then I would be generalizing. I find Christians views to be ridiculous and offensive - however, as I stated before I couldn't care less who you worship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 In a message dated 12/29/2002 12:00:08 PM Central Standard Time, smarinich@... writes: > What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot > of > what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal > with it. > I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose. > > > How utterly American. > > Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance. Can you read? Does the last sentence NOT say " I respect your right... " ? I didn't say you were wrong, less intelligent, etc. for your beliefs. How can you expect more than tolerance when I just don't believe the same things you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 In a message dated 12/28/2002 4:24:30 PM Central Standard Time, smarinich@... writes: > You actually care a bit too much. Perhaps your opinions are based on > your specific encounters. However, if you truly did not care you'd > respect someone else's beliefs for what they are, beliefs. Belief's > are personal and hence a very contentious issue. > > I have one suggestion, I do not judge your beliefs, please do not > judge mine, nor label them as " ridiculous and offensive " . > What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot of what makes up Catholosism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal with it. I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose. How utterly American. Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 In a message dated 12/29/2002 12:00:07 PM Central Standard Time, smarinich@... writes: > What the hell? We're ALL entitled to opinions and I stated mine. A lot > of > what makes up Catholicism and Christianity IS offensive to me - deal > with it. > I respect your right to practice any religion or beliefs you choose. > > > How utterly American. > > Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance. > Actually, it's just blatant bigotry regardless of country of origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 can we stop attacking each other personally? it is possible to discuss difficult issues without name calling each other i have very little respect for major religions having seen the amount of death in the middle east and closer at home in northern ireland. i also can't respect how the pope refuses to support the use of condoms to help with birth control and the spread of aids particularly in countries where this too is contributing to unnecessary death. however i total respect a persons right to follow whatever religion they wish. linda > > How utterly American. > > > > Absolute disrespect for someone's belief system masked by tolerance. > > > > Actually, it's just blatant bigotry regardless of country of origin. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Educate me. Specifically what do you find ridiculous, and what do you find offensive? Re: Re: GOD said NO! In a message dated 12/22/2002 1:03:52 PM Central Standard Time, MsBYGthoughts@... writes: > Yes, that is such an extreme generalizAtion. To me it sounds like someone is > hatin on Christians. And for someone to get so offended by the statement > that our bodies arent whole, sure is being judgemental themeselves! Did I say all? No, and if I did then I would be generalizing. I find Christians views to be ridiculous and offensive - however, as I stated before I couldn't care less who you worship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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